OK, I'm making another extra long post, so just skip to the next post after mine if you don't want to read a lot:
LadyBug wrote:I'm still leaning towards seeing Unicron and Galvatron on the big screen. It would be cool to hear Leonard Nemoy as Galvatron again.
It would be cool to hear Nimoy doing Galvatron again, but he was Sentinel Prime in the last movie, with a very similar voice, so I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't brought back.
Claude Brodesser-Akner wrote:...it will delve deeper into Transformers canon to mine older characters and lore. ...
Considering how little delving and depth there were in the first three, I'd take that with a planet full of salt. Bay on any further movies = Watch on DVD at best.
I'm with you on this, but I'm going to at least be a bit optimistic, maybe they'll use Ultra Magnus, since he was supposed to be in DotM instead of Sentinel, and maybe they'll introduce Trypticon and Omega Supreme...?
First-Aid wrote:If he signs for TF 4, we won't see just one more movie. Don Murphy has said he wants to see another trilogy and I concur with that.
As for fans not wanting to see it, cool...don't. I doubt a significant percentage of the $3-plus billion the 3 movies raked in was from fans as opposed to movie-goers just looking for an action-adventurey good time. I mean seriously, these movies had everything you'd want in a giant, fun movie: amazing effects, giant robots, hot chicks, explosions, some funny/dumb and funny/funny moments, the end of the world, explosions, cool cars...seriously it's like Fast and FUrious+Death Race+Robotech+Dumb and Dumber all rolled into one. If you truly hate that much, then you take this hobby and those movies way too seriously. Just sayin...and seriously, was the '86 cartoon movie really any better? We saw the transformation of Grimlock from a powerful warrior to comic relief, a dance scene on a planet of junk to a Weird Al song, cheesy hair metal rock soundtrack, the death of an iconic character that was so poorly received that they had to revive him, and a little kid who ended up saving the day, not to mention enormous plot holes. Seems to me, nothing has changed.
AS long as we never see John Turturro's pale backside again, I'll see the subsequent movies and take them for what they are: fun.
...Except that these movies haven't been fun. At all. There were a lot of fireworks going off, and a **** ton of CGI characters battling each other, but it was all boring since no one could tell who was who or what was going on in the action scenes due to poor camera movements (shakey cam), and quick cuts which changed the angle far too often to make it near impossible for the brain to determine what was just seen. The story was not much better, especially since the characters who these movies have been named after, were treated as second tier characters, given far less character development than the humans, granted, there was next to no character development over the course of the 3 movies. There were no "hot chicks", I mean, Megan Fox is no piece of eye candy to me, I just don't like her, so that may just be me, and for Rosie, she was only cute at best minus the fucking duck lips. Neither of which qualify as "hot". The funny moments, both funny/ funny and funny/ dumb according to you, were cringe worthy. There was nothing funny about the poorly delivered jokes and failed punch lines mixed with stilted acting. And really? Awesome cars? They replaced a '78 Camaro with a concept turned now production model which will always be worth less money because it was new, and has horrid style compared to the original.
By the way, none of this is because I hate the movies so much, its just honest observations from what I have seen since 2007 in this series. Yes, I was actually excited when I heard of the first movie coming out, I don't like how Michael Bay makes his movies, but I gave it an honest shot. I really didn't know how to react when I first saw the first one, so I left judgement for the DVD, which is where I started to see all of the flaws since the hype wore off, and I started observing the movies.
budmaloney wrote:Sigh, what can I say, the man's determined. That is true perseverance right there. I gotta hand it to him. I've given up trying to argue why he shouldn't make TF movies.
So in a more positive sense and hoping that Hasbro will be up to par this time, here is what I want to see:
- More Robot concept/ homeworld. I want to see Cybertron.
- Planes, where are the seekers? And I mean real planes, high speed flying.
- You killed all the Decepticons we love and care about, so if you're going to bring them back, don't kill them again.
Who's left? did he leave anything to delve deeper in?
Brawl...Dead (so no Combaticons)
Ravage, Laserbeak, Frenzy.
Even the cool new characters he introduces (the dreads)...Dead
So I have no idea what they plan on doing, where they will pull out these characters. Who's left from G1 for older fans to appreciate and new ones to connect to? Reflector?
- I would like less humans (but too much to ask)
People are dreaming of Unicron or Galvatron, they'll be destroyed in the end.
My bet is they will go with headmasters or targetmasters, that's the only logical way, they can add armor to actors, and that way they provide more mech with humans same time.
Just make it quick please, I can't wait that long anymore. At least the toys will always be something to look forward to.
oh if FFC is any indication, bring Dinobots.
Maybe more Combiners...? We haven't seen the AerialBots yet, or any of the characters I mentioned a bit further up. So there's at least a bit of hope to see these characters finally... OR MAYBE WE'LL GET HOT ROD AND KUP!!!!!!!
Holy shit, I think I found my silver lining for TF4!!!!
Ironhide shall rise again
ZOMBIE IRONHIDE!!!!!! But would he eat human brains, or TransFormers' Sparks...?
More millions of dollars for Hasbro!
More toys! (As Mkall pointed out)
More pissed off fanboys! (Possibly the best part of this news)
YAY! More of more!! I just hope we get slightly better toys since this movie line is very much crap...
Autobot032 wrote:EXACTLY. They'll go see it, too. They'll hate and whine and complain, but they'll sit there
As for the cyborg thing, they are. CYBernetic ORGanism. Cyborg.
Yeah, I'll see it, but I'll only watch for the character design, which has been my favorite part of the movies, even though I feel I've become much dumber due to the poor quality...
Also, interesting theory for the TFs being called cyborgs. Makes quite a bit of sense if thought like that.
noctorro wrote:Autobot032 I totally agree.
The angry fans know what they are getting. So if you are so emotionally crushed by seeing a TF movie by Bay don't.
But they will, and they'll complain about it on forums and such.
I love DOTM, it's a great movie (in my opinion). I do hope they give the it more development time so they can make another good story, or even better (for Transformers standards). I also hope that they will completely restyle all of the Transformers. And please bring back a combiner and have it act like one.
Yeah, but only to say how right we are about the movie. Its how we get off. (This is a joke, I don't like the movies, but I'm not a fervent hater. I have explained why already, so I'll spare the lengthy post)
RiddlerJ wrote:He's got the M, I, C, and H done but for the A, E, and L, he wants to switch to a different crayon.
What colors would make EXPLOSION!!!!!...?
First-Aid wrote:Here's another little thing for the Bayverse toy haters. Yes there will be more movie toys. The movie toys make a sh!tload of money. That being said, it is that very thing that allows a line like Generations- a line aimed specifically at us older fans familiar with the canon and mythos behind the Transformers line- to continue to exist. That line hemorhages money. Every store I go to the movie line is flying off the shelves and the Generations line is gathering dust...and it was that way originally, too. The profit from the movie line allows much more leeway in what Hasbro can offer in the Generations line by providing significant profit. If the profit was not there, Hasbro would have discontinued the Generations line ages ago to replace it with something else that WOULD make money. The Generations line may make SOME profit, but I guarantee it is not nearly enough to sustain the line independently from other TF brands- which is the reason it has never existed on its own. Think abotu it.
I disagree about it hemorrhaging money. Here in Saint Cloud and Kissimmee, FL (I live in the first and work in the second), I see absolutely no Generations figures in any of the 2 Wal Marts or 3 Targets I pass by everyday, yet see shelves full of DotM, which are barely restocked due to no one buying them as fast as one would expect. I've seen kids actually start crying because they can't find Generations Kup (I swear I wasn't the one crying, I was laughing at the kid actually), and when I asked some of the employees at Target, they buy more Generations figures than DotM because they aren't moving as fast as expected. The amount used to be two cases of Generations per 4 weeks, now bumped up to two cases per week. Almost every store said they are hoping the holiday shopping will help alleviate this problem. I should also note that I haven't even seen a Generations Warpath, but I know the stores are getting them, because I seem to almost always find the one employee who is a fan, and picked up warpath before the store opened, or they back stocked it until they were off to buy it..
So with that said, while you have a valid point about Generations not being around without the movie toy-line, I wouldn't say that Generations isn't doing well, at least in my area when you compare the measly 6 pegs of space they have, and being sold out on a regular basis, compared to the 12 to 16 pegs DotM has, while being full all the time due to lack of interest.
OK, as for Bay being close to signing a deal for a new movie, I just hope he builds on the momentum offered by DotM, which was really how the whole series should have started with that quality and gone up from there.