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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby tattood-transformer » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:47 am

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UPDATE: Michael Bay has posted the following statement at his site regarding the original news found below: "Studio's are passing rumors but I'm not sure what I'm doing? I know I'm going to do Pain and Gain early spring but that's it for right now. I'm leaving all my options on the table. I've got several Studio meetings in the next two weeks."
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby HalfOfMe » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:51 am

The simple truth is, before the movies Transformers was on a major decline. The toylines were struggling, the anime re-tellings garnered no ratings, and generally for good reason. Like them or not, the movie franchise saved Transformers. We would not have Prime, we probably would not have Generations, without Bay's films. We have to be thankful for a least that. Without Bay--entertainment or debauchery--we could very well without the thing we all love. And all things considered, these types of adaptations are typically way, way further off-cue than this trilogy was. Look at, well--anything (Rise of Cobra, anyone?). Hey--and even better--we made a fan of the guy, didn't we? :D
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby IAmThePeej » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:09 pm

OK, I'm making another extra long post, so just skip to the next post after mine if you don't want to read a lot:

LadyBug wrote:I'm still leaning towards seeing Unicron and Galvatron on the big screen. It would be cool to hear Leonard Nemoy as Galvatron again.


It would be cool to hear Nimoy doing Galvatron again, but he was Sentinel Prime in the last movie, with a very similar voice, so I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't brought back.

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Claude Brodesser-Akner wrote:...it will delve deeper into Transformers canon to mine older characters and lore. ...

Considering how little delving and depth there were in the first three, I'd take that with a planet full of salt. Bay on any further movies = Watch on DVD at best.


I'm with you on this, but I'm going to at least be a bit optimistic, maybe they'll use Ultra Magnus, since he was supposed to be in DotM instead of Sentinel, and maybe they'll introduce Trypticon and Omega Supreme...?

First-Aid wrote:If he signs for TF 4, we won't see just one more movie. Don Murphy has said he wants to see another trilogy and I concur with that.

As for fans not wanting to see it, cool...don't. I doubt a significant percentage of the $3-plus billion the 3 movies raked in was from fans as opposed to movie-goers just looking for an action-adventurey good time. I mean seriously, these movies had everything you'd want in a giant, fun movie: amazing effects, giant robots, hot chicks, explosions, some funny/dumb and funny/funny moments, the end of the world, explosions, cool cars...seriously it's like Fast and FUrious+Death Race+Robotech+Dumb and Dumber all rolled into one. If you truly hate that much, then you take this hobby and those movies way too seriously. Just sayin...and seriously, was the '86 cartoon movie really any better? We saw the transformation of Grimlock from a powerful warrior to comic relief, a dance scene on a planet of junk to a Weird Al song, cheesy hair metal rock soundtrack, the death of an iconic character that was so poorly received that they had to revive him, and a little kid who ended up saving the day, not to mention enormous plot holes. Seems to me, nothing has changed.

AS long as we never see John Turturro's pale backside again, I'll see the subsequent movies and take them for what they are: fun.


...Except that these movies haven't been fun. At all. There were a lot of fireworks going off, and a **** ton of CGI characters battling each other, but it was all boring since no one could tell who was who or what was going on in the action scenes due to poor camera movements (shakey cam), and quick cuts which changed the angle far too often to make it near impossible for the brain to determine what was just seen. The story was not much better, especially since the characters who these movies have been named after, were treated as second tier characters, given far less character development than the humans, granted, there was next to no character development over the course of the 3 movies. There were no "hot chicks", I mean, Megan Fox is no piece of eye candy to me, I just don't like her, so that may just be me, and for Rosie, she was only cute at best minus the **** duck lips. Neither of which qualify as "hot". The funny moments, both funny/ funny and funny/ dumb according to you, were cringe worthy. There was nothing funny about the poorly delivered jokes and failed punch lines mixed with stilted acting. And really? Awesome cars? They replaced a '78 Camaro with a concept turned now production model which will always be worth less money because it was new, and has horrid style compared to the original.
By the way, none of this is because I hate the movies so much, its just honest observations from what I have seen since 2007 in this series. Yes, I was actually excited when I heard of the first movie coming out, I don't like how Michael Bay makes his movies, but I gave it an honest shot. I really didn't know how to react when I first saw the first one, so I left judgement for the DVD, which is where I started to see all of the flaws since the hype wore off, and I started observing the movies.

budmaloney wrote:Sigh, what can I say, the man's determined. That is true perseverance right there. I gotta hand it to him. I've given up trying to argue why he shouldn't make TF movies.

So in a more positive sense and hoping that Hasbro will be up to par this time, here is what I want to see:

- More Robot concept/ homeworld. I want to see Cybertron.
- Planes, where are the seekers? And I mean real planes, high speed flying.
- You killed all the Decepticons we love and care about, so if you're going to bring them back, don't kill them again.

Who's left? did he leave anything to delve deeper in?
Megs...dead
Starscream...dead
Soundwave...dead
Shockwave...dead
Constructicons/Devastator...Dead
Brawl...Dead (so no Combaticons)
Barricade...Dead
Ravage, Laserbeak, Frenzy.

Even the cool new characters he introduces (the dreads)...Dead

So I have no idea what they plan on doing, where they will pull out these characters. Who's left from G1 for older fans to appreciate and new ones to connect to? Reflector?

- I would like less humans (but too much to ask)

People are dreaming of Unicron or Galvatron, they'll be destroyed in the end.
My bet is they will go with headmasters or targetmasters, that's the only logical way, they can add armor to actors, and that way they provide more mech with humans same time.

Just make it quick please, I can't wait that long anymore. At least the toys will always be something to look forward to.

oh if FFC is any indication, bring Dinobots.


Maybe more Combiners...? We haven't seen the AerialBots yet, or any of the characters I mentioned a bit further up. So there's at least a bit of hope to see these characters finally... OR MAYBE WE'LL GET HOT ROD AND KUP!!!!!!!
Holy ****, I think I found my silver lining for TF4!!!!

SPRINGER112 wrote:Ironhide shall rise again :D


ZOMBIE IRONHIDE!!!!!! But would he eat human brains, or TransFormers' Sparks...?

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More millions of dollars for Hasbro!

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More movies!

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More toys! (As Mkall pointed out)

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More pissed off fanboys! (Possibly the best part of this news)

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YAY! More of more!! I just hope we get slightly better toys since this movie line is very much crap...

Autobot032 wrote:EXACTLY. They'll go see it, too. They'll hate and whine and complain, but they'll sit there

As for the cyborg thing, they are. CYBernetic ORGanism. Cyborg.


Yeah, I'll see it, but I'll only watch for the character design, which has been my favorite part of the movies, even though I feel I've become much dumber due to the poor quality...
Also, interesting theory for the TFs being called cyborgs. Makes quite a bit of sense if thought like that.

noctorro wrote:Autobot032 I totally agree.

The angry fans know what they are getting. So if you are so emotionally crushed by seeing a TF movie by Bay don't.
But they will, and they'll complain about it on forums and such.

I love DOTM, it's a great movie (in my opinion). I do hope they give the it more development time so they can make another good story, or even better (for Transformers standards). I also hope that they will completely restyle all of the Transformers. And please bring back a combiner and have it act like one.


Yeah, but only to say how right we are about the movie. Its how we get off. (This is a joke, I don't like the movies, but I'm not a fervent hater. I have explained why already, so I'll spare the lengthy post)

RiddlerJ wrote:He's got the M, I, C, and H done but for the A, E, and L, he wants to switch to a different crayon.


What colors would make EXPLOSION!!!!!...?

First-Aid wrote:Here's another little thing for the Bayverse toy haters. Yes there will be more movie toys. The movie toys make a sh!tload of money. That being said, it is that very thing that allows a line like Generations- a line aimed specifically at us older fans familiar with the canon and mythos behind the Transformers line- to continue to exist. That line hemorhages money. Every store I go to the movie line is flying off the shelves and the Generations line is gathering dust...and it was that way originally, too. The profit from the movie line allows much more leeway in what Hasbro can offer in the Generations line by providing significant profit. If the profit was not there, Hasbro would have discontinued the Generations line ages ago to replace it with something else that WOULD make money. The Generations line may make SOME profit, but I guarantee it is not nearly enough to sustain the line independently from other TF brands- which is the reason it has never existed on its own. Think abotu it.


I disagree about it hemorrhaging money. Here in Saint Cloud and Kissimmee, FL (I live in the first and work in the second), I see absolutely no Generations figures in any of the 2 Wal Marts or 3 Targets I pass by everyday, yet see shelves full of DotM, which are barely restocked due to no one buying them as fast as one would expect. I've seen kids actually start crying because they can't find Generations Kup (I swear I wasn't the one crying, I was laughing at the kid actually), and when I asked some of the employees at Target, they buy more Generations figures than DotM because they aren't moving as fast as expected. The amount used to be two cases of Generations per 4 weeks, now bumped up to two cases per week. Almost every store said they are hoping the holiday shopping will help alleviate this problem. I should also note that I haven't even seen a Generations Warpath, but I know the stores are getting them, because I seem to almost always find the one employee who is a fan, and picked up warpath before the store opened, or they back stocked it until they were off to buy it..

So with that said, while you have a valid point about Generations not being around without the movie toy-line, I wouldn't say that Generations isn't doing well, at least in my area when you compare the measly 6 pegs of space they have, and being sold out on a regular basis, compared to the 12 to 16 pegs DotM has, while being full all the time due to lack of interest.


OK, as for Bay being close to signing a deal for a new movie, I just hope he builds on the momentum offered by DotM, which was really how the whole series should have started with that quality and gone up from there.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby IAmThePeej » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:16 pm

HalfOfMe wrote:The simple truth is, before the movies Transformers was on a major decline. The toylines were struggling, the anime re-tellings garnered no ratings, and generally for good reason. Like them or not, the movie franchise saved Transformers. We would not have Prime, we probably would not have Generations, without Bay's films. We have to be thankful for a least that. Without Bay--entertainment or debauchery--we could very well without the thing we all love. And all things considered, these types of adaptations are typically way, way further off-cue than this trilogy was. Look at, well--anything (Rise of Cobra, anyone?). Hey--and even better--we made a fan of the guy, didn't we? :D


Very well put, and very accurate too (See, I don't like the movies, but am able to see what they have done for the IP). Also, I enjoyed Rise of Cobra since it was just a fun movie to me. I just hope that we do get a new director for a new perspective on the franchise.
As for him being a fan, he really isn't. He's a fan of the TransFormers He's made. Not a fan of the source, which can be noted by him basically ripping off the story arc "The Ultimate Evil" for DotM thinking no one would notice, as well as the characters he's decided to not be good enough for his movies, he just killed off. Yes, Arcee dying was his idea, which proves he does change the script where he feels.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby Noideaforaname » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:33 pm

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Xephon0930 wrote:I think most smart people would pirate the films at best when it comes to watching it. I would start to look up torrentz and watch the movie for free if I were you all.


I wouldn't.


Me neither. For starters, I like giving people money for their hard work. But mostly these movies are best viewed in theaters with surround sound, hundreds of others viewers, and other things you can't get with a crappy (illegal) bootleg.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby First-Aid » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:38 pm

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IAmThePeej wrote:...Except that these movies haven't been fun. At all. There were a lot of fireworks going off, and a **** ton of CGI characters battling each other, but it was all boring since no one could tell who was who or what was going on in the action scenes due to poor camera movements (shakey cam), and quick cuts which changed the angle far too often to make it near impossible for the brain to determine what was just seen.


A boring movie doesn't make a billion dollars. Plain and simple. And it is not targeted to fanboys, which I think is what most on the forums want. You CAN'T MAKE MONEY that way. They targeted it to the masses. Transformers had the most diverse movie audience of ANY summer movie. The gender split was 50-50; the age groups were nearly evenly distributed between kids, teens, young adults, and middle agers. Twilight will make a billion, but 82% if their audience is female. Harry Potter skewed significantly to the younger audience, dominating in the teenage bracket. Transformers is the only big movie that hit ALL age groups and both genders equally...which partially translates to success; you can get $50 from one person once a month, or you can get $1 from 100 people daily. It's simple economics.

Look, you can say the movie wasn't fun all you want. The vast majority of average movie-goers (non-fanboys) would vehemently disagree. You do not make over $3.3 billion in only three movies by making films that don't appeal to the masses and aren't fun for the vast majority. The critics may agree with you, but it seems nowadays that the more the critics hate a movie, the more the masses like it- almost just to spite them. And the masses are the ones with the money. And that's really all that matters.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:44 pm

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IAmThePeej wrote:...Except that these movies haven't been fun. At all. There were a lot of fireworks going off, and a **** ton of CGI characters battling each other, but it was all boring since no one could tell who was who or what was going on in the action scenes due to poor camera movements (shakey cam), and quick cuts which changed the angle far too often to make it near impossible for the brain to determine what was just seen.


My brain could determine everything just fine. Maybe it's just you. I've memorized all 3 movies scene for scene, word by word, camera shot by camera shot.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby JOP » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:31 pm

RodimalToyota wrote:If you don't like the writing then don't support the writers. Bay is basically the manager of the set, so stop blaming him for crappy stories.

While I do agree that the writers should be held culpable to a certain degree, the simple truth is that Michael Bay is the director of all three films - and in my (albeit limited) understanding of film-making, the director is normally the party with final creative oversight of the film.

It is also my understanding that there are parties that may in theory be able to overrule the director (such as the producers, and the studio); however, I do not believe we have confirmation of such a thing occurring in the production of Transformers, Revenge of the Fallen or Dark of the Moon. I think it is therefore safe to say that in this particular instance, Michael Bay can most likely be held accountable for the quality of the story in the finished films.

SlyTF1 wrote:My brain could determine everything just fine. Maybe it's just you. I've memorized all 3 movies scene for scene, word by word, camera shot by camera shot.

I believe a common complaint of the first film, and less so the second and third, was that the combination of rather complex character design and Michael Bay's rapid-fire editing technique left many critics confused as to the events unfolding onscreen. I am glad to hear, however, that this was not your experience.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby Supreme Convoy » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:40 pm

No lie... I would love if the marketing campaign read Trans4mers.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby T-Macksimus » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:28 pm

It doesn't matter WHO does TF4, just the very thought of there even being a 4th Movie is nuttier than a squirrel turd!!!

We have a trilogy, now it's time to just LEAVE THE FRANCHISE ALONE!! The Fandom is already divided, half of us hated the films, half of us loved them and no matter which camp you are in, history will show that going beyond the trilogy point just makes a film franchise an utter crap-fest. There is absolutely nothing, plot-wise, that can be done that will make a TF fan truly happy unless you resurrect 3/4 of the characters that died in all 3 movies and introduced Unicron on top of it, at which point I will walk out of the theater yelling "What a piece of sh** film, I want my money back!!" at the top of my lungs.

I don't care who heads up the TF4 project, this thing is going to be a freaking train-wreck!!!! #-o #-o
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

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Supreme Convoy wrote:No lie... I would love if the marketing campaign read Trans4mers.


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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:32 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:My brain could determine everything just fine. Maybe it's just you. I've memorized all 3 movies scene for scene, word by word, camera shot by camera shot.

I believe a common complaint of the first film, and less so the second and third, was that the combination of rather complex character design and Michael Bay's rapid-fire editing technique left many critics confused as to the events unfolding onscreen. I am glad to hear, however, that this was not your experience.


Yeah, I know there was a lot of that in the first movie, but after watching it over a thousand times, I noticed exactly what was going on. I don't know why people still **** about it in ROTF where there was no to minimal shaky cam. DOTM was perfect with the shaky cam thing though. The only time I noticed where I couldn't tell what the hell was going on was Bumblebee vs Soundwave.

One thing I did notice about DOTM though is that there are a LOT of mistakes. The most glaring was when the building was falling and they where sliding down the outside of it, in one shot Sam is all the way at the bottom of the group and Carly is all the way at the top, then in the very next shot Sam is above Carly then he grabs onto her. There where a lot of other editing mistakes, but I don't feel like going into specifics.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby Avensis-Mahiya » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:54 pm

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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

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face it people this is good news,no one else has the eye to film transformers like micheal bay.we could all gamble on all the numerous directors and i could favor some,and decline others.but get with it.love it,or hate it.he was born to give us these films.bring on T4. :grin:
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby SideswipeSkywarp » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:33 pm

Michael Bay you don't know what you're doing. Dark of the moon was a piece of crap. Just like X-men 3. I don't know why these idiots want to make everything into trilogies. Most of the best characters are dead, Cybertron's gone... Bay quit and become a hermit. :lol: :BOT: :CON:
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby OptiMagnus » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:39 pm

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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:48 pm

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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby First-Aid » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:54 pm

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SideswipeSkywarp wrote:Michael Bay you don't know what you're doing. Dark of the moon was a piece of crap. Just like X-men 3. I don't know why these idiots want to make everything into trilogies. Most of the best characters are dead, Cybertron's gone... Bay quit and become a hermit. :lol: :BOT: :CON:


HE DIDN'T WRITE IT!


Autobot032, old buddy, it seems that facts and common sense escape some folks when Michael Bay is mentioned. :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:03 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:
SideswipeSkywarp wrote:Michael Bay you don't know what you're doing. Dark of the moon was a piece of crap. Just like X-men 3. I don't know why these idiots want to make everything into trilogies. Most of the best characters are dead, Cybertron's gone... Bay quit and become a hermit. :lol: :BOT: :CON:


HE DIDN'T WRITE IT!


Autobot032, old buddy, it seems that facts and common sense escape some folks when Michael Bay is mentioned. :BANG_HEAD:


It is amazing, isn't it? I mean, the names Orci, Kurtzman, Rogers and Kruger have become big, big names now, yet people seem to forget their hand in this whole mess.

To make it simple for the rest of the class, whereas you and I are both on page 50 and they seem to need a refresher course...

Michael Bay is driving a car. He's keeping it from crashing. It's hard to do that when the car is built by Orci, Kurtzman, Rogers and Kruger. They didn't give it brakes, or a steering wheel, so it's impossible for Bay to control the car. And before anyone says "Well, he shouldn't have driven the car to begin with." Well, like us, he was mislead. He was given a pat on the back and told "Enjoy!"
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:37 pm

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I think Ehren Kruger did good with Dark of the Moon. It was definitely better than Revenge of the Fallen and as good as the first film. As for Bay directing another one, I am not surprised or disappointed. The only way another director would be useful is if this was started from scratch. And after the 3 Bay films, I believe general audiences wouldn't be interested in a complete reformatting (I really dislike the term "reboot") so Paramount is doing the smart thing: going with what works, financially anyway.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby cotss2012 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:39 pm

HalfOfMe wrote:The simple truth is, before the movies Transformers was on a major decline. The toylines were struggling, the anime re-tellings garnered no ratings, and generally for good reason. Like them or not, the movie franchise saved Transformers. We would not have Prime, we probably would not have Generations, without Bay's films.


Where were you in 1991? Nothing tops "on the decline" quite like "nonexistent". But the Transformers were back again the next year. That's because the concept of "giant robots from space that beat the crap out of each other and change into cool vehicles" will never stop being cool or popular, with or without movies.

HalfOfMe wrote:all things considered, these types of adaptations are typically way, way further off-cue than this trilogy was. Look at, well--anything (Rise of Cobra, anyone?).


Rise of Cobra was ten times as good as any of the Bayformers movies.

First-Aid wrote:A boring movie doesn't make a billion dollars. Plain and simple.


Titanic, The Dark Knight, Order of the Phoenix... okay, TDK was more confusing and nonsensical than boring, but you get the idea.

SlyTF1 wrote:I've memorized all 3 movies scene for scene, word by word, camera shot by camera shot.


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I do not blame Michael Bay for crapping all over a huge part of my childhood. He just directed the scripts that were given to him. I blame Orci, Kurtzman, and Krueger, who seem completely incapable of concocting a story that even halfway makes sense.

RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
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Re: Michael Bay close to signing deal for Transformers 4!

Postby JOP » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:48 pm

Autobot032 wrote:Michael Bay is driving a car. He's keeping it from crashing. It's hard to do that when the car is built by Orci, Kurtzman, Rogers and Kruger. They didn't give it brakes, or a steering wheel, so it's impossible for Bay to control the car. And before anyone says "Well, he shouldn't have driven the car to begin with." Well, like us, he was mislead. He was given a pat on the back and told "Enjoy!"

Your analogy is fallacious. A more accurate analogy would be: Michael Bay is in charge of a project to build a new car. Many other people contribute to the design and construction of this car; some have more responsibility, some less. All answer to Michael. Orci, Kurtzman and Kruger are responsible for the design of the engine. Unfortunately, the design they turn in is sub-par; however, it is retained. A number of people criticize Michael Bay for allowing a faulty engine to be incorporated into the vehicle; his defendants propose that the blame for the engine lays primarily with the engine designers, and not with the project manager that signed off on it.

SlyTF1 wrote:Yeah, I know there was a lot of that in the first movie, but after watching it over a thousand times, I noticed exactly what was going on. I don't know why people still **** about it in ROTF where there was no to minimal shaky cam. DOTM was perfect with the shaky cam thing though. The only time I noticed where I couldn't tell what the hell was going on was Bumblebee vs Soundwave.

To be fair, I don't think most moviegoers plan to watch a movie over a thousand times to fully understand the on-screen action. I absolutely agree that the second and third film seem less enamored with 'shaky-cam', and this certainly seems an improvement to my mind.
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