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Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Hard Hacker » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:59 pm

The guy's entitled to an opinion just like us.

That said, I've never had much of an affinity for the Dinobot group of any continuity. They exist, and they're just walking headaches, what with the Sat AM Cavemen talk and the fact they're disguised as mechanical fossils (Take THAT Christianity!). In fact, I would admit to liking RiD Grimlock, the scoop shovel digger, over the Grimlocks with a Dinosaur mode.

Dinobots in the Movie universe would be very clunky to work in. Constructicons are easier to streamline for the mass media.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Skullgrin140 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:03 pm

As much as I disapprove of Bay hating the Dinobots, I cant see how the Dinobots could be brought in live action whatsoever. Unless they were brought in the movies in there pre-beast modes and called the Dynobots, but that would be less dynamic.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Jacob P. Galvatron » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:04 pm

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First-Aid wrote:The biggest reason for not having Dinobots is the fact that continue to try and hold on to the robots IN DISGUISE thing.

One more time!:

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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Down_Shift » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:11 pm

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That statement alone is why I wish Marvel had got the license back.

What a douche, like he even knows enough of the characters to form a decent opinion.

I'd love to be proven wrong here, BTW
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Fananga » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:12 pm

The Dinobots would be easy to fit in. Everyone who's ever watched a movie, nevermind had film school training knows that was a huge jump into the BS pit when everything was just covered up, despite the massive collateral damage caused in the first film.

With Transformers in the open the Disguise is more a way for them to operate in public without drawing too much attention.
Id see The Dinobots as more of a 'screw attention, were here to fight' type of group and would ask for Military grade alt modes. Unhappy with Earths lack of 'Close Combat' vehicles they look to other sources eventually picking up on Dinosaurs :)

Thus when whatever big bad (normal sized big bad, not Unicron) shows up theyre facing off against a handfull of Autobots that dont rely on guns etc. Instead they transform and rip you to shreds with their goddam teeth!.......*cough*

Seems perfectly logical to me :)
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Convotron » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:13 pm

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First-Aid wrote:The biggest reason for not having Dinobots is the fact that continue to try and hold on to the robots IN DISGUISE thing.

Kinda got blown out of the water in the last movie with the Fallen announcing the presence of Transformers on Earth, don'tcha think?


This actually reminds me of something I wondered when watching RotF: Where does the movie series go from here? With the revelation of an alien presence on Earth, how does the world at large react?

I mean the final battle from the first movie takes place in a populated area. The second movie shows that at least one NEST operation was in the wide open(the Shanghai scene). Add in the Fallen's broadcast to the world. Can the fictional world's governments cover all that up? .


The fallens broadcast is easy enough to cover up as a hoax. Someone hacking into a network. (and this was said in the movie). Be honest with yourself... If you saw a broadcast like that would you believe it without some kind of evidence? I'm most just brushed it off as some hacker playing a game.


Well if I was in the fictional world, I'd probably have found things like the conspiracy sites of Leo's and RoboWarrior's, hehe, so maybe I wouldn't brush it off. Not that I subscribe to conspiracy theories in general. I'm just saying that the broadcast along with the slew of photos and videos on sites like Leo's and RoboWarrior/Simmons', is a lot of stuff to cover up.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby bowerprime73 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:22 pm

Jacob P. Galvatron wrote:
First-Aid wrote:The biggest reason for not having Dinobots is the fact that continue to try and hold on to the robots IN DISGUISE thing.

One more time!:

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How the hell is this a good disgiuse?


Okay, so you see this truck driving down the road...you're going to take a second look at it just because it has a fancy paint job. Then you will say to yourself, "Wow, that's a nice looking truck. The owner must really take good care of it." Just because it's not the boring one color paint job that most trucking businesses paint their trucks doesn't make it a crappy disguise. There's an independent truck driver that lives nearby that has an awesome mural painted on his truck. Would that make a crappy disguise for a Transformer since it's not a boring paint scheme?

On the other hand, you see a giant mechanical T-Rex running down the street, you're going to scream, "WHAT THE F--K?????"

I'm not bashing your opinion that OP's truck mode is a bad disguise. I just want to know your reasoning for it.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby ACIDSTORM » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:28 pm

Dinobots could be cool .here's an idea i thought of :

Optimus has sent out a message for all autobots again right ? So more autobots come but as they're crashing down towards earth megatron intercepts them ,shoots them and they crash in a history museum with their ability to scan damaged ,they have to scan the nearest thing they can or they have lost intelligence being damaged but either way they scan models of dinosaurs.that could work,maybe
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Convotron » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:31 pm

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Maybe the Dinobots wouldn't have to be dinosaurs. I know, it's crazy, but please hear me out. I would like to see something like a War Within Grimlock in live action. Maybe he and the other dinobots don't care about disguising themselves and retain their Cybertronian alt modes. As a nod to G1, maybe the characters could voice their positive opinion of past earthlings like dinosaurs as they appear more impressive than puny humans.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Down_Shift » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:35 pm

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First-Aid wrote:The biggest reason for not having Dinobots is the fact that continue to try and hold on to the robots IN DISGUISE thing. Giant mechanical dinosaurs are not really very good disguises. Simple logic. You could incorporate them in an ancient Earth setting, but in the modern world it makes no sense because they'd stick out like...uh...well, like a T. Rex in downtown Chicago. Now, I like what has been done in the recent comics- turning the Dinobots into the Dynobots (it's the "A-Team" of the Transformers universe!). But as dinosaurs...no. Won't work.


I get where your coming from, but a giant mechanical dinosaur is just as believable as a 7 story, two wheeled robot rolling down a major highway in Shanghai. Or a robot that hides out in an aviation museum disguised as a plane. Same could easily be done for the Dinobots. Sure you may have to tweak reality a bit, but once you put alien robots that fly through infinitely frozen space and survive only to end up having earth temperature cold as your new major weakness and entire reason the movie takes place, I think you can fit it in there somewhere.

Plus, lets be honest here, it's a movie about alien robots. Everything and anything can be pure BS. Take Reedman for example.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby ivan2893 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:35 pm

Well he did say, he would start prep for TF 3 next year. so it's probably legit info. plus, how would u justify a robot turning into a dinosaur? rnt they supposed to bleand in, i dont think a walking dinosaur is very stealthy.

but... the general public now knows about tranformers them right?
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby magnusalpha » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:37 pm

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Whether Bay hated them or not, there is no way they would work in the movieverse. The Transformers in the movieverse can reformat their alt. modes whenever they want, so there's no way the Dinobots would stay as Dinobots when they would simply reformat into an alt. mode that wasn't inconspicuous.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Tyrannotaur » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:42 pm

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If we could have a Robotic Scorpion and Jaguar, I dunno why we can't have a Robotic Tyrannosaurus. I really think only Grimlock is needed. The others are cool and all but I think would be a bit much if they all where in. Also I dunno how this would be explained, but if it is disguise everyone is worried about, couldn't they just be triple changers and transform into either a Dinosaur mode, Robot mode or Vechicle mode? Or just make the dinosaur mode the robot mode? I don't see it as impossible. The only problem is trying to figure out how to explain why they look like dinosaurs. I could see Grimlock landing in a Monster truck arena. He was damaged when he crashed through the roof so he speaks in the third person and isn't very smart. He scans a monster truck and/or one of those robotic Dinosaur things that crushes cars that you often see in monster truck rallies. Either that or he was like Scorponok and already had the dinosaur alt mode and just transforms into the monster truck.

If they wanted to make it work they could.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Windsweeper » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:45 pm

This coming from the guy who thought Skids and Mudflap were a good idea. What kills me about Revenge is that there were cool looking new Bots in the background like Jolt, Sideswipe and Long Haul and this guy focused on the moron twins.

I mean he killed of Jazz in the last film and not Ironhide? I mean I actually looked forward to Revenge because the first film turned out great but he went nuts trying to be funny in this one and just spoiled the whole film. Don't get me started on Jetfire.

The whole Decepticons stealing resources of G1 was a better plot than chasing a joint cube. Indepemdance Day was a great film and the aliens in that planned on draining Earth's resources.

Hopefully, in a few years, they'll do a Batman and restart the series with a director that respects the source material. Wasn't going to have the mass changing thing because it was unrealistic but shrinking down the Allspark is ok?

I wasn't always a fan of Dinobots but Furman made them cool. It can't be that hard to work in dinosaurs. After Ravage and Scorponok, I want to see Movie TF's with robot and animal forms. The Dinobots would be just the ticket.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby DinobotKing » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:02 pm

Tyrannotaur wrote:If we could have a Robotic Scorpion and Jaguar, I dunno why we can't have a Robotic Tyrannosaurus....

If they wanted to make it work they could.


Yep, I could buy Bay's crap if he didn't already set precedent by having Transformers mimic organic life. A giant scorpion? A cycloptic cat? Little robot insects? These are great "disguises"? Dinobots would not be difficult to write in at all.... in fact it makes more sense to me than the pointless and still unexplained "Alice" subplot... :roll:
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Rodimus723 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:16 pm

Hello, new here. One way that I thought of for the Dinobots to work, would be that Grimlock and the other Dinobots were seekers on earth durring the late cretatous period, and got trapped and buried, and was found and activated later. it could work.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Blozor » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:21 pm

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They don't have to be dinosaurs. Keep the characters, make them military vehicles. I like the Dinobots, they're like the Transformers' version of barbarians.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Crosscheck » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:23 pm

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Michael Bay should be hit.

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From outerspace.

That is on fire.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Rodimus2006 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:28 pm

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I dont think that Mr. Bay actually likes any of the characters in the transformers mythology.

When they do put one in all he does is bitch about them except the crazy characters he thinks of such as Barricade and the Twins he never bitched about them.

I think if you are going to work on and make a transformers project you should love the characters I mean not all of them but most of them and the Dinobots are the most popular of them not the most be still pretty popular.

He dosent have to make all the Dinobots just 3 of them like in Transformers Animated and they dont even have to be in the movie just like a good battle sequence or some sort of reference maybe of Cybetron's Past.

They are a million ways he can make the dinobots fit into the 3rd movie rather it is in the past present or future timeline of them film it is up to the writers to make them work for the movie.

I really wanna see Megtron upgraded to Galvatron he needs the upgrade in TF 3.

Lazerbeak needs to be in TF 3 maybe so more combiners such as Superion and some triple changers such as Broadside and Astro Train.

Look I am not even worried about TF 3 since it wont be out till 2012 summer time anyways which is still 3 or so years away.

It is way to far to dictate the future of TF 3 never mind trying to guess the plot, characters and such that will be in the next movie.

I am like Mr. Bay I my self also need a break for TF 3 but I wouldnt mind another new animated series but that wont be happening either no time soon either cause of the new Hasbro Channel hasnt even been launched yet.

So it dosent make since talking about transformers anymore since it looks like it is lockdown for the time being.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Badass Grimlock » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:29 pm

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Rodimus723 wrote:Hello, new here. One way that I thought of for the Dinobots to work, would be that Grimlock and the other Dinobots were seekers on earth durring the late cretatous period, and got trapped and buried, and was found and activated later. it could work.


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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Cryosis Prime » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:55 pm

The third movie needs to back to the 'simplicity' of the first. No, combiners, no triplechangers, no pretenders, no new characters, and for the love of Odin no Unicron. Just Autobots as civilian vehicles and Decepticons as "power" vehicles like a police cruiser, tank, or giant dump truck, when they chose to disguise themselves at all.

A note on the dinobots in particular... in live action medium they may cross the line of 'acceptable' robot violence. The Dinobots have always been an specialized combat group that are frequently portrayed savage, and in the more brutal realm of the live-action films, they would likely make Sideswipe's slash through Sideways look tame.
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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

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Re: Michael Bay on the Dinobots: "I hate them."

Postby Slagbringer » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:11 pm

I agree the dinobots wouldn't make sense in the movie series...and to be honest I wouldn't want them in the film there's so many other possible characters that can be put in that I would much rather see...one thing I do hope is that for the 3rd and final film they return to seibertron and restore the planet with a new allspark as that they knowledge and power wasn't truly lost just changed shape. I think something in those lines would be cool and perhaps a unicron or some type of space battle would be sweet.
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