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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby BeastProwl » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:43 am

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Oh, because there are bad guys just lining up around the block after DOTM. And let's not forget all the unfixed inconsistencies. I doubt they will be addressed.

I liked the movies for what they were, and DOTM was the end. Seriously. The final chapter, you know? What now? Optimus sees his life flash before his eyes and we watch the last three films but with better editing and no mistakes /Wishful Thinking

And all that time Sam was working with the autobots, suddenly he gets a growth spurt after just 4 more years and becomes another actor? Or are they just going to dump you like the last girl?

I cant think to positively here. Unless Decepticon bodies-> Launched towards the sun -> Unicron Magic->Galvatron->Possible new baddies for part 5?

And what about the aligned continuity? The movies get a pass? I mean, I can see why they cant, but I thought everything from here on out was "aligned"

I dont get why they couldn't reboot it. Optimus is Optimus, and Bee is Bee. Like the kids would mind?
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Sodan-1 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:18 am

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warzon3 wrote:I just wish it was less about the humans and more about the Autobots and Decpeticons. The robots as characters have no personal back story to really care about, and no meaningful dialogue.

Amen to that! But with three new main actors, I'm thinking that's unlikely to happen.

As for the reason why the Cybertronians have new designs (if there is indeed going to be one that ties in to the plot) I'm going with the governments of Earth wanted their precious lubricants after the events of DoTM, and so they were forced to take new forms in order to stay hidden. (Cue a Transformers/G.I. Joe crossover.)

And they do such a good job of staying hidden that we never actually know they're there, staying in alt-mode all the way through to the point where it's just another Michael Bay movie starring Mark Wahlberg and a couple of kids.

I still watch the first three movies, trying to find a reason to like them, but it's just not happening. :-(
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:55 am

Sodan-1 wrote:
warzon3 wrote:I just wish it was less about the humans and more about the Autobots and Decpeticons. The robots as characters have no personal back story to really care about, and no meaningful dialogue.

Amen to that! But with three new main actors, I'm thinking that's unlikely to happen.


From a standpoint of practicality and pragmatism, no it's not. Until we can find actual Transformers to hire on as actors the cost of visual effects will keep humans in the forefront. Of course it's easier to just say "BAY HATES TRANSFORMERS!!!" than realize it's a sound directorial decision. To be completely honest I kind of prefer there being human characters who aren't useless tag-along kids.
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby warzon3 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:31 am

Yes, they need humans to sell the movie to a wider audience, but I think they can make it a little more even. They have the production system in place after 3 movies. The efficency of the special effects could allow for more robot time.

Bay's movies feel like its more a movie about a Boy primarily. Rather than as Transformers movie.

Just look at Transformers Prime and the Character development. They had meaningful back stories or motivations. I know it is just a 2 hour movie, but I wish Bay kind of took a page from them...
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Megatron Wolf » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:53 am

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why 4 years shouldnt it be more than that? Sure alot can happen in 4 years but would make more sense to have the time be 10 years or more. With a longer time period you can totally redesign the bots add a bunch of new characters & restaff without little explanation. But thus us bay & hasvbro we're talking about and theres not one intelligent bone between them. But i do like that this movies off to such a great start, think there are more inconsistencies in this one so far than there were in the last 3 combined. But as long as bay is in control i have no hope for the movies, and as long has hasbro keeps doing what their doing i have no hope for the franchise.
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Rated X » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:54 pm

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This whole reboot/not a reboot saga is getting really stupid. Lets just waterboard Michael Bay till he tells us the plot. :HEADHURTS:
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:08 pm

Rated X wrote:This whole reboot/not a reboot saga is getting really stupid. Lets just waterboard Michael Bay till he tells us the plot. :HEADHURTS:


Bay has stated time and again it's not a reboot. Not sure were the confusion is coming from. :-?
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Rated X » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:26 pm

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Capt.Failure wrote:
Rated X wrote:This whole reboot/not a reboot saga is getting really stupid. Lets just waterboard Michael Bay till he tells us the plot. :HEADHURTS:


Bay has stated time and again it's not a reboot. Not sure were the confusion is coming from. :-?


The confusion comes from actors on Micheal Bay's payroll that are calling it a reboot. In particular, Marky Mark.
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:13 pm

Rated X wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
Rated X wrote:This whole reboot/not a reboot saga is getting really stupid. Lets just waterboard Michael Bay till he tells us the plot. :HEADHURTS:


Bay has stated time and again it's not a reboot. Not sure were the confusion is coming from. :-?


The confusion comes from actors on Micheal Bay's payroll that are calling it a reboot. In particular, Marky Mark.


And somehow the word of an actor who just joined the cast is greater than the frakin' director? :roll:
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:18 pm

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warzon3 wrote:Yes, they need humans to sell the movie to a wider audience, but I think they can make it a little more even. They have the production system in place after 3 movies. The efficency of the special effects could allow for more robot time.

Bay's movies feel like its more a movie about a Boy primarily. Rather than as Transformers movie.

Just look at Transformers Prime and the Character development. They had meaningful back stories or motivations. I know it is just a 2 hour movie, but I wish Bay kind of took a page from them...


Agreed on all points, although I will say this much; IMO, DOTM was a small step in the right direction.

The plot at least gave the Transformers more dpth this time around, featuring Sentinel as a turncoat, and Ironhide's death is done far more meaningfully than, say, the Arcees and Jetfire. While Jetfire's death is technically poignant, I personally felt nothing for his sacrifice. Maybe it's just that I don't like his "old man with Alzheimer's" characterization.

I could well be alone in this, but DOTM seems to feature far more characterization of the bots than the other two movies put together.

Sam's role in this was simply that he wanted to feel important again, while the plot (flawed as it is) developed independently. He makes his own contributions in unraveling the Decepticons' plans, but at least it never focused solely on him. Optimus has his own demons to fight after discovering his mentor's true motives, and even Megatron is trying to come to grips with his failing authority--though sadly these elements weren't very effectively shown on screen (hence, a small step in the right direction).
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:40 pm

warzon3 wrote:Yes, they need humans to sell the movie to a wider audience, but I think they can make it a little more even. They have the production system in place after 3 movies. The efficency of the special effects could allow for more robot time.

Bay's movies feel like its more a movie about a Boy primarily. Rather than as Transformers movie.

Just look at Transformers Prime and the Character development. They had meaningful back stories or motivations. I know it is just a 2 hour movie, but I wish Bay kind of took a page from them...


Two problems here:

1. Just because it has more screen time for human characters doesn't mean it isn't a Transformers movie.

2. Bay isn't in charge of characterization. Blame the writers for that.
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby AutoBorst » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:52 am

Ultra Markus wrote:"to broaden the franchise and give it more places to go"
what does he mean by that and should we be worried?
All it means is giving Hasbro more toys and repaints to flood stores with.

I'll be avoiding this new movie like I did the last two. These films are complete trash.
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby noctorro » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:10 am

Very excited about part 4.

I think the designs will go in the direction of Gundam. So less milions of tiny parts but more big plates. Like Fall Of Cybertron.

But we do have to remember, Transformers aren't combat suits for humans. Their technology is far superior and all parts have to work kind of organic. Not simple cogs and a few wires.

I agree, you can't put the bots in front, rendering these guys costs way more then an actor.

I have high hopes for the next, DOTM was great imho, (I do focus on the good parts and try to mentally avoid the bad parts). And I gotta say, that was pretty hard in ROTF.
Just let the stupid silly bots be handbag sized so they can't do anything relevant in battle.
Then again, Brains and Wheely were pretty funny :D

Hopefully Hasbro will complete the main cast in figures and in good scale, still waiting for DOTM Leader Megatron/Shockwave.
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Kibble » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:22 pm

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Rated X wrote:This whole reboot/not a reboot saga is getting really stupid. Lets just waterboard Michael Bay till he tells us the plot. :HEADHURTS:


Plot? Wait...are you just trying to get Bay to be waterboarded to death? ;)
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Nemesis Maximo » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:41 pm

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warzon3 wrote:Yes, they need humans to sell the movie to a wider audience, but I think they can make it a little more even. They have the production system in place after 3 movies. The efficency of the special effects could allow for more robot time.

Bay's movies feel like its more a movie about a Boy primarily. Rather than as Transformers movie.

Just look at Transformers Prime and the Character development. They had meaningful back stories or motivations. I know it is just a 2 hour movie, but I wish Bay kind of took a page from them...


Agreed on all points, although I will say this much; IMO, DOTM was a small step in the right direction.

The plot at least gave the Transformers more dpth this time around, featuring Sentinel as a turncoat, and Ironhide's death is done far more meaningfully than, say, the Arcees and Jetfire. While Jetfire's death is technically poignant, I personally felt nothing for his sacrifice. Maybe it's just that I don't like his "old man with Alzheimer's" characterization.

I could well be alone in this, but DOTM seems to feature far more characterization of the bots than the other two movies put together.

Sam's role in this was simply that he wanted to feel important again, while the plot (flawed as it is) developed independently. He makes his own contributions in unraveling the Decepticons' plans, but at least it never focused solely on him. Optimus has his own demons to fight after discovering his mentor's true motives, and even Megatron is trying to come to grips with his failing authority--though sadly these elements weren't very effectively shown on screen (hence, a small step in the right direction).

This summarizes my feelings perfectly. DOTM was one giant leap in the wanton destruction of Chicago...one small step in the right direction. I just take 'em for what they are. :michaelbay:
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby 9adam83 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:09 pm

Michael Bay is a talentless moron that needs a severe beating! His Bayformers Movies are garbage and have nothing to do with Transformers. I am sick and tired of seeing this moron screw up something that I hold dear to me and my 80's childhood. This clown has destroyed anything good from the franchise and to take "Creative design" to the Transformers is nothing to be pleased about! Sorry, but Hasbro and Bayformers will not get any money from me! G1 all the way!
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby shortwave » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:56 am

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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby shortwave » Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:07 pm

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B4 damit B4. the aliens ate invading get one tank to travel from left to right and fire upwards its out only hope.
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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:36 pm

shortwave wrote:B4 damit B4. the aliens ate invading get one tank to travel from left to right and fire upwards its out only hope.


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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby shortwave » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:05 am

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Re: Michael Bay Reiterates That Transformers 4 is Not a Reboot

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:41 pm

shortwave wrote:Space invaders. how young are you?


I recall that film when it was in theaters. Never saw it. No need to call age into question like a petulant fanboy. :roll:
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