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RhA wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RhA wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RhA wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And taking into account the TMNT multiverse as established in the Turtles Forever movie, the concept of the Turtles being aliens simply CANNOT work, as all TMNT universes stem from the same source, in which the Turtles are mutated Earth turtles. Making them aliens simply violates the fundamental nature of their existence in this multiverse, otherwise they aren't "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", but instead are "Teenage Mutant Ninja Aliens" or Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles".

Aliens can't be turtles? We have tons of contradictions in te TF universe. It's fiction, anything can work.

The TMNT themselves can't be aliens if they're all tied to the original Mirage Turtles, who were indeed mutated Earth turtles. Recall when Shredder broke down thew 1987 and 2003 Turtles to their most basic elements to trace their substantial existence back to the Mirage Turtles. If he were to do the same with extraterrestrial TMNT, they wouldn't have those base elements due to not being of a similar nature to the Mirage Turtles. In every incarnation of the TMNT franchse, the Turtles have all been almost the exact same kind of lifeform. Being extraterrestrials would negate that with the ones in this movie.

True, but only if the previous series are regarded. This does not seem to be the case.

Of course the previous media would have to be regarded. Otherwise, they'd be better off making a completely new movie with non-preexisting characters and concepts.

If they want to make a new movie franchise about alien turtles who come to Earth and fight crime as ninjas, then by all means, they should go ahead and do so. Why, make it be a spoof or homage to the TMNT, with little references and such. But don't make it actually BE a TMNT movie, cuz that's not what TMNT is about.

They shouldn't simply rewrite the fundamental aspects of what makes TMNT be TMNT. Take those away, and it's not TMNT anymore. This is knockoff-level of diversity, here. The established origin formula in its most basic form (four baby turtles mutated into giant humanoid turtles who live in the sewers) has worked for every single incarnation of the franchise. If it's not broken, don't try to fix it.

A little change is okay. A lot of change to the point where the entire scheme of things is altered to an unfamiliar level is not okay.

...by you.

If a man-sized turtle (ha-hah) uses ninja skils to take down a robot ninja, I'm going to recognize it as a turtle. Backstory doesn't change that for me.

And again, why is this any more insane then the orginal backstory? It's a new twist on things, Splinter would probably say that change is not to be feared.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

RhA wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RhA wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RhA wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And taking into account the TMNT multiverse as established in the Turtles Forever movie, the concept of the Turtles being aliens simply CANNOT work, as all TMNT universes stem from the same source, in which the Turtles are mutated Earth turtles. Making them aliens simply violates the fundamental nature of their existence in this multiverse, otherwise they aren't "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", but instead are "Teenage Mutant Ninja Aliens" or Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles".

Aliens can't be turtles? We have tons of contradictions in te TF universe. It's fiction, anything can work.

The TMNT themselves can't be aliens if they're all tied to the original Mirage Turtles, who were indeed mutated Earth turtles. Recall when Shredder broke down thew 1987 and 2003 Turtles to their most basic elements to trace their substantial existence back to the Mirage Turtles. If he were to do the same with extraterrestrial TMNT, they wouldn't have those base elements due to not being of a similar nature to the Mirage Turtles. In every incarnation of the TMNT franchse, the Turtles have all been almost the exact same kind of lifeform. Being extraterrestrials would negate that with the ones in this movie.

True, but only if the previous series are regarded. This does not seem to be the case.

Of course the previous media would have to be regarded. Otherwise, they'd be better off making a completely new movie with non-preexisting characters and concepts.

If they want to make a new movie franchise about alien turtles who come to Earth and fight crime as ninjas, then by all means, they should go ahead and do so. Why, make it be a spoof or homage to the TMNT, with little references and such. But don't make it actually BE a TMNT movie, cuz that's not what TMNT is about.

They shouldn't simply rewrite the fundamental aspects of what makes TMNT be TMNT. Take those away, and it's not TMNT anymore. This is knockoff-level of diversity, here. The established origin formula in its most basic form (four baby turtles mutated into giant humanoid turtles who live in the sewers) has worked for every single incarnation of the franchise. If it's not broken, don't try to fix it.

A little change is okay. A lot of change to the point where the entire scheme of things is altered to an unfamiliar level is not okay.

...by you.

If a man-sized turtle (ha-hah) uses ninja skils to take down a robot ninja, I'm going to recognize it as a turtle. Backstory doesn't change that for me.

And again, why is this any more insane then the orginal backstory? It's a new twist on things, Splinter would probably say that change is not to be feared.

I'm all for mixing a few things up to keep it fresh, but they're taking the mutant and turtle out of teenage mutant ninja turtles.

budmaloney wrote:I don't want to live on this planet anymore

RhA wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm all for mixing a few things up to keep it fresh, but they're taking the mutant and turtle out of teenage mutant ninja turtles.

So? During the run of the original cartoon the word 'ninja' was replaced by 'hero' over here. Semantics.

budmaloney wrote:I don't want to live on this planet anymore

5150 Cruiser wrote:

DISCHARGE wrote:I just can't believe the creators of the TMNT signed off on the idea of making them aliens.

And there ya go. The creators are on board with the idea so if the "fans" want to be-head anyone it should be them.

Bay is just producing, not directing, so the blame can't be put on him anyhow. BUt i guess its just easier to hate on him.

Dead Metal wrote:t

5150 Cruiser wrote:

DISCHARGE wrote:I just can't believe the creators of the TMNT signed off on the idea of making them aliens.

And there ya go. The creators are on board with the idea so if the "fans" want to be-head anyone it should be them.

Bay is just producing, not directing, so the blame can't be put on him anyhow. BUt i guess its just easier to hate on him.

Yea, but is this a case of the creators actually being on board or a case of "Alan Moore is super exited about what we die with the V for Vendetta movie!"?

PL wrote:Joy. -- PL

Sabrblade wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:Bay is just producing, not directing, so the blame can't be put on him anyhow. BUt i guess its just easier to hate on him.

He's still heavily involved (Producer is an important role in the story) and approves of this.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Realistically though, it's probably the original writer. I wouldn't know to be honest, I havn't been following the story very closely except to watch fan reactions.

DISCHARGE wrote:Taking away the origins of TMNT takes all the history, meaning and ancestory of the genre away from them, throws it away and insults the invention and everybody who's followed it from infancy to present.
Through all the battles, locations and stories one thing has remained a constant: where the Turtles came from.

Cyber Bishop wrote:I am sure there will be plenty of explosions too as we all know that ninjas always carry bazookas and heavy artillery around with them..

5150 Cruiser wrote:So what? He's still the producer and not director and won't be calling all the shots. Its funny how people held him completely responisble for the TF movies since he was the director, but now that he's producing it he's still being held 100% responsible. Not one person in this thread who is upset with the idea of TMNT being aliens has even meantioned dumping responsibility on the director or the company who owns the rights to TMNT. If the fans are so important, why did they sign off on this idea??

Sabrblade wrote:

RhA wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm all for mixing a few things up to keep it fresh, but they're taking the mutant and turtle out of teenage mutant ninja turtles.

So? During the run of the original cartoon the word 'ninja' was replaced by 'hero' over here. Semantics.

Despite their being called "heroes", they were still so obviously ninjas due to their fighting styles and training. Heroes can be ninjas without the term "ninja" being used.

Now had that cartoon had its visuals altered to the point at which the Turtles' fighting styles were something other than Ninjitsu or any non-Asian martial arts, then that would be too drastic a change as it changes the foundational nature of what they are: Ninjas.

Same goes for this aliens bit changing another foundational part of their nature: Mutants and/or Turtles.

RhA wrote:Aliens can be mutants. It's not mutually exclusive. It does not change a thing purely based on that.

DISCHARGE wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:t

5150 Cruiser wrote:

DISCHARGE wrote:I just can't believe the creators of the TMNT signed off on the idea of making them aliens.

And there ya go. The creators are on board with the idea so if the "fans" want to be-head anyone it should be them.

Bay is just producing, not directing, so the blame can't be put on him anyhow. BUt i guess its just easier to hate on him.

Yea, but is this a case of the creators actually being on board or a case of "Alan Moore is super exited about what we die with the V for Vendetta movie!"?

Taking away the origins of TMNT takes all the history, meaning and ancestory of the genre away from them, throws it away and insults the invention and everybody who's followed it from infancy to present.
Through all the battles, locations and stories one thing has remained a constant: where the Turtles came from.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:Well, there is a glimmer of hope

From an interview with the actual Director, Jonathan Liebesman

“Look, it’s so funny—if everyone was such a die-hard fan, they would know that the TCRI canisters where the ooze comes from. That is alien ooze. Now I’m not saying what Michael said is exactly what the movie is, because we’re sitting in a room now figuring everything out. So we don’t know, but we are like Michael said: we’re expanding it, and the expansion will be true to the mythology.”

So there is a chance Michael Bay is just talking out of his ass and the turtles are only alien in that they were mutated by alien ooze.

Burn wrote:lol ... fanboys got trolled by Bay.

Do believe I said something like that back on page 1. Still, it was fun watching you all rage.

Burn wrote:Not really. Because he doesn't care. That's what all that anti-Bayers fail to understand. HE.DOES.NOT.CARE.WHAT.THEY.THINK.ABOUT.HIM.

Burn wrote:-edit-

Full interview

Looks like the "co-creator" is none other than Kevin Eastman himself, so not someone who may have been nothing more than a penciller as some have suggested.

Keep raging kids, keep raging.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:There is a third option. Bay wasn't lying, he's just an idiot who wasn't paying attention, half listened to what was going on while he doodled explosions and robot balls in the margins of his script, and then shot his mouth off not realizing he didn't have any idea what he was talking about.