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5150 Cruiser wrote:

DISCHARGE wrote:I just can't believe the creators of the TMNT signed off on the idea of making them aliens.

And there ya go. The creators are on board with the idea so if the "fans" want to be-head anyone it should be them.

Bay is just producing, not directing, so the blame can't be put on him anyhow. BUt i guess its just easier to hate on him.

Yea, but is this a case of the creators actually being on board or a case of "Alan Moore is super exited about what we die with the V for Vendetta movie!"?

Taking away the origins of TMNT takes all the history, meaning and ancestory of the genre away from them, throws it away and insults the invention and everybody who's followed it from infancy to present.
Through all the battles, locations and stories one thing has remained a constant: where the Turtles came from.

Was PL's statement really a "sign off"??

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... s/?a=56750

His last words seem a bit sarcastic and snarky to me.

PL wrote:Joy. -- PL

Bay is the raper of people's childhood memories..
I am sure there will be plenty of explosions too as we all know that ninjas always carry bazookas and heavy artillery around with them..

Sabrblade wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:Bay is just producing, not directing, so the blame can't be put on him anyhow. BUt i guess its just easier to hate on him.

He's still heavily involved (Producer is an important role in the story) and approves of this.

So what? He's still the producer and not director and won't be calling all the shots. Its funny how people held him completely responisble for the TF movies since he was the director, but now that he's producing it he's still being held 100% responsible. Not one person in this thread who is upset with the idea of TMNT being aliens has even meantioned dumping responsibility on the director or the company who owns the rights to TMNT. If the fans are so important, why did they sign off on this idea??

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Realistically though, it's probably the original writer. I wouldn't know to be honest, I havn't been following the story very closely except to watch fan reactions.

I would be VERY stunned to believe to that either Kevin Eastman or Peter Laird would even approve to this blasphemy! They disliked what was done to make the 1987 cartoon what is was, and that was tame compared to this change.

DISCHARGE wrote:Taking away the origins of TMNT takes all the history, meaning and ancestory of the genre away from them, throws it away and insults the invention and everybody who's followed it from infancy to present.
Through all the battles, locations and stories one thing has remained a constant: where the Turtles came from.

AMEN!!!

Cyber Bishop wrote:I am sure there will be plenty of explosions too as we all know that ninjas always carry bazookas and heavy artillery around with them..

Well, they did get heavy artillery suits of mech armor at certain points in the 2003 cartoon, but those were just supplementary additions to their arsenal that were only used on special occasions.

5150 Cruiser wrote:So what? He's still the producer and not director and won't be calling all the shots. Its funny how people held him completely responisble for the TF movies since he was the director, but now that he's producing it he's still being held 100% responsible. Not one person in this thread who is upset with the idea of TMNT being aliens has even meantioned dumping responsibility on the director or the company who owns the rights to TMNT. If the fans are so important, why did they sign off on this idea??

Oh, I'm not just mad at Bay, but everyone who thought this aliens nonsense was a good idea. Though, Bay's been the only name mentioned so far (unless I've missed a post), so he's been the main target. Give me some other names and I'll give credit (YMMV) where credit is due.

Sabrblade wrote:

RhA wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm all for mixing a few things up to keep it fresh, but they're taking the mutant and turtle out of teenage mutant ninja turtles.

So? During the run of the original cartoon the word 'ninja' was replaced by 'hero' over here. Semantics.

Despite their being called "heroes", they were still so obviously ninjas due to their fighting styles and training. Heroes can be ninjas without the term "ninja" being used.

Now had that cartoon had its visuals altered to the point at which the Turtles' fighting styles were something other than Ninjitsu or any non-Asian martial arts, then that would be too drastic a change as it changes the foundational nature of what they are: Ninjas.

Same goes for this aliens bit changing another foundational part of their nature: Mutants and/or Turtles.

Aliens can be mutants. It's not mutually exclusive. It does not change a thing purely based on that.

RhA wrote:Aliens can be mutants. It's not mutually exclusive. It does not change a thing purely based on that.

If they're already aliens, there's no point in them being mutants (or turtle-like). It's just one more unnecessary step from them being inhuman.

Being mutant turtles is a more unique concept than being aliens.

DISCHARGE wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:t

5150 Cruiser wrote:

DISCHARGE wrote:I just can't believe the creators of the TMNT signed off on the idea of making them aliens.

And there ya go. The creators are on board with the idea so if the "fans" want to be-head anyone it should be them.

Bay is just producing, not directing, so the blame can't be put on him anyhow. BUt i guess its just easier to hate on him.

Yea, but is this a case of the creators actually being on board or a case of "Alan Moore is super exited about what we die with the V for Vendetta movie!"?

Taking away the origins of TMNT takes all the history, meaning and ancestory of the genre away from them, throws it away and insults the invention and everybody who's followed it from infancy to present.
Through all the battles, locations and stories one thing has remained a constant: where the Turtles came from.

Dude, I understand and I'm on your side of the argument.

The Wachovkies lied about Alan Moore liking and being exited about the V for Vendetta movie, that was my point here. Is Bay saying the truth about having one of the original creators or is he lying?

Well, there is a glimmer of hope

From an interview with the actual Director, Jonathan Liebesman

“Look, it’s so funny—if everyone was such a die-hard fan, they would know that the TCRI canisters where the ooze comes from. That is alien ooze. Now I’m not saying what Michael said is exactly what the movie is, because we’re sitting in a room now figuring everything out. So we don’t know, but we are like Michael said: we’re expanding it, and the expansion will be true to the mythology.”

So there is a chance Michael Bay is just talking out of his ass and the turtles are only alien in that they were mutated by alien ooze.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:Well, there is a glimmer of hope

From an interview with the actual Director, Jonathan Liebesman

“Look, it’s so funny—if everyone was such a die-hard fan, they would know that the TCRI canisters where the ooze comes from. That is alien ooze. Now I’m not saying what Michael said is exactly what the movie is, because we’re sitting in a room now figuring everything out. So we don’t know, but we are like Michael said: we’re expanding it, and the expansion will be true to the mythology.”

So there is a chance Michael Bay is just talking out of his ass and the turtles are only alien in that they were mutated by alien ooze.

If that were the case, then all the more reason to get on bay's case for not only making us mad with this alien nonsense, but making us mad with his lies.

If he's lying, he never should have done so, as it just makes him more disliked. If he's not, then it's still stupid for the TMNT to be aliens.

lol ... fanboys got trolled by Bay.

Do believe I said something like that back on page 1. Still, it was fun watching you all rage.