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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby DISCHARGE » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:35 am

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I just can't believe the creators of the TMNT signed off on the idea of making them aliens.
The only thing I can think is that they will be aliens mutated to resemble turtles.
But what do aliens know about being ninja? All I know is that if they think the origins of TMNT is the cause of lack of interest, they are wrong. The origin is the one thing they don't need to change.
Michael Bay seems to have aliens on the brain.
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:46 pm

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What this news evokes seems to stem more from the 1987 cartoon two-part episode "Planet of the Turtleloids" in which the Turtles are transported to a planet by humanoid turtle-like creatures like themselves. Bay is essentially making the them be Turtleloids instead of mutated Earth turtles, which robs them of their uniqueness and makes them into another species of B-Movie styled lifeforms. :roll:

Bay, go back to non-toy movies and leave our childhoods alone. I'll be over here waiting for Nickelodeon's new CGI TMNT cartoon. >:oP
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby RhA » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:49 pm

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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:02 pm

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And taking into account the TMNT multiverse as established in the Turtles Forever movie, the concept of the Turtles being aliens simply CANNOT work, as all TMNT universes stem from the same source, in which the Turtles are mutated Earth turtles. Making them aliens simply violates the fundamental nature of their existence in this multiverse, otherwise they aren't "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", but instead are "Teenage Mutant Ninja Aliens" or Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles".
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby RhA » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:20 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And taking into account the TMNT multiverse as established in the Turtles Forever movie, the concept of the Turtles being aliens simply CANNOT work, as all TMNT universes stem from the same source, in which the Turtles are mutated Earth turtles. Making them aliens simply violates the fundamental nature of their existence in this multiverse, otherwise they aren't "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", but instead are "Teenage Mutant Ninja Aliens" or Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles".


Aliens can't be turtles? We have tons of contradictions in te TF universe. It's fiction, anything can work.
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:30 pm

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RhA wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:And taking into account the TMNT multiverse as established in the Turtles Forever movie, the concept of the Turtles being aliens simply CANNOT work, as all TMNT universes stem from the same source, in which the Turtles are mutated Earth turtles. Making them aliens simply violates the fundamental nature of their existence in this multiverse, otherwise they aren't "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", but instead are "Teenage Mutant Ninja Aliens" or Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles".


Aliens can't be turtles? We have tons of contradictions in te TF universe. It's fiction, anything can work.
The TMNT themselves can't be aliens if they're all tied to the original Mirage Turtles, who were indeed mutated Earth turtles. Recall when Shredder broke down thew 1987 and 2003 Turtles to their most basic elements to trace their substantial existence back to the Mirage Turtles. If he were to do the same with extraterrestrial TMNT, they wouldn't have those base elements due to not being of a similar nature to the Mirage Turtles. In every incarnation of the TMNT franchse, the Turtles have all been almost the exact same kind of lifeform. Being extraterrestrials would negate that with the ones in this movie.
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby RhA » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:40 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And taking into account the TMNT multiverse as established in the Turtles Forever movie, the concept of the Turtles being aliens simply CANNOT work, as all TMNT universes stem from the same source, in which the Turtles are mutated Earth turtles. Making them aliens simply violates the fundamental nature of their existence in this multiverse, otherwise they aren't "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", but instead are "Teenage Mutant Ninja Aliens" or Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles".


Aliens can't be turtles? We have tons of contradictions in te TF universe. It's fiction, anything can work.
The TMNT themselves can't be aliens if they're all tied to the original Mirage Turtles, who were indeed mutated Earth turtles. Recall when Shredder broke down thew 1987 and 2003 Turtles to their most basic elements to trace their substantial existence back to the Mirage Turtles. If he were to do the same with extraterrestrial TMNT, they wouldn't have those base elements due to not being of a similar nature to the Mirage Turtles. In every incarnation of the TMNT franchse, the Turtles have all been almost the exact same kind of lifeform. Being extraterrestrials would negate that with the ones in this movie.


True, but only if the previous series are regarded. This does not seem to be the case.
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:18 pm

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Oh man, I heard about this last night and I am so f'n PUMPED for the reaction from the fans! This is going to be goddamn HILARIOUS!

I just told one of my buddies about it who's a ninja turtles fan and I could SEE his brain break! This is gonna be awesome. :D :KREMZEEK:


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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Burn » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:33 pm

In typical anti-Bay rage, the masses grab their pitchforks before understanding.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... 8758.story

"Fans need to take a breath, and chill. They have not read the script. Our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give a more complex back story," Bay wrote. "Relax, we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place. We are just building a richer world."


Oh and Bay's just producing, so blaming him for this is kind of silly as he's not directing, he's not writing, he's just producing. Point your pitchforks in a different direction.
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby RhA » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:34 pm

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Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Oh man, I heard about this last night and I am so f'n PUMPED for the reaction from the fans! This is going to be goddamn HILARIOUS!

I just told one of my buddies about it who's a ninja turtles fan and I could SEE his brain break! This is gonna be awesome. :D :KREMZEEK:


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:michaelbay: I'm gonna make an account on some TMNT forum for the reactions alone! :michaelbay:
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:40 pm

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Fans need to take a breath, and chill. They have not read the script. Our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give a more complex back story. Relax, we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place.
Them not being aliens was one of those aspects that we liked. >:oP

We are just building a richer world.
Translation: "We don't care about the fans or the lore and so we're making it how we want it to be. So, nyaaaah!" :P
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby SlyTF1 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:53 pm

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I'm not sure if this applies to the old cartoons, but in the newer ones wasn't Shredder just a machine controlled by tiny pink aliens?
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

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SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not sure if this applies to the old cartoons, but in the newer ones wasn't Shredder just a machine controlled by tiny pink aliens?


I searched in the theme about a week ago, and Shredder in the new cartoon was: a. originally a human; b. the mentioned ultrom alien possessing a robot body that looks like Shredder; c. a computer program - all three of them battled the turtles and each other.
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:44 pm

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RhA wrote:
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Sabrblade wrote:And taking into account the TMNT multiverse as established in the Turtles Forever movie, the concept of the Turtles being aliens simply CANNOT work, as all TMNT universes stem from the same source, in which the Turtles are mutated Earth turtles. Making them aliens simply violates the fundamental nature of their existence in this multiverse, otherwise they aren't "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", but instead are "Teenage Mutant Ninja Aliens" or Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles".


Aliens can't be turtles? We have tons of contradictions in te TF universe. It's fiction, anything can work.
The TMNT themselves can't be aliens if they're all tied to the original Mirage Turtles, who were indeed mutated Earth turtles. Recall when Shredder broke down thew 1987 and 2003 Turtles to their most basic elements to trace their substantial existence back to the Mirage Turtles. If he were to do the same with extraterrestrial TMNT, they wouldn't have those base elements due to not being of a similar nature to the Mirage Turtles. In every incarnation of the TMNT franchse, the Turtles have all been almost the exact same kind of lifeform. Being extraterrestrials would negate that with the ones in this movie.


True, but only if the previous series are regarded. This does not seem to be the case.
Of course the previous media would have to be regarded. Otherwise, they'd be better off making a completely new movie with non-preexisting characters and concepts.

If they want to make a new movie franchise about alien turtles who come to Earth and fight crime as ninjas, then by all means, they should go ahead and do so. Why, make it be a spoof or homage to the TMNT, with little references and such. But don't make it actually BE a TMNT movie, cuz that's not what TMNT is about.

They shouldn't simply rewrite the fundamental aspects of what makes TMNT be TMNT. Take those away, and it's not TMNT anymore. This is knockoff-level of diversity, here. The established origin formula in its most basic form (four baby turtles mutated into giant humanoid turtles who live in the sewers) has worked for every single incarnation of the franchise. If it's not broken, don't try to fix it.

A little change is okay. A lot of change to the point where the entire scheme of things is altered to an unfamiliar level is not okay.
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:05 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not sure if this applies to the old cartoons, but in the newer ones wasn't Shredder just a machine controlled by tiny pink aliens?


I searched in the theme about a week ago, and Shredder in the new cartoon was: a. originally a human; b. the mentioned ultrom alien possessing a robot body that looks like Shredder; c. a computer program - all three of them battled the turtles and each other.
In the 2003 cartoon, the first Shredder shown in the series was revealed to be a Utrom criminal named Ch'rell masquerading as the human Oroku Saki, A.K.A. the Shredder.

He had taken the name of an ancient Japanese warrior of the same name, who had surrendered his soul to a Tengu demon that merged itself with his body back in Feudal Japan. This Demon Shredder had been defeated and sealed away in ancient times, not long before the Ultrom spacecraft containing Ch'rell was sabotaged by himself and crash-landed on Earth in Japan. Ch'rell heard of the Shredder's legend and took the name and mantle of the Shredder/Oroku Saki for himself. He established the Foot Clan in Japan and, centuries later, relocated to New York City, where he would come to the hated enemy of the Turtles.

After he was finally defeated by the Turtles, his adopted daughter Karai, in revenge for her father's disgraceful exile, took up the mantle of the Shredder for herself, to carry out her father's legacy.

Afterward, the Tengu demon Shredder was resurrected and made himself enemies both the Turtles and Karai, who were grudgingly forced to team up to stop his godlike reign of demonic tyranny. And after his defeat, the Turtles and Karai made peace with each other.

Upon return to the present day after their time-jump into 2105, the Turtles inadvertently brought back the sentient virus entity Viral with them (she was one of their enemies in the future). After a last battle against the Turtles, a weakened Viral retreated to cyberspace, seeking a source of power to revitalize herself. She stumbled onto a data storage container belonging to the Foot Clan.Upon trying to access it, she released a digital copy of Ch'rell's personality, which uploaded itself into Viral, overtaking and destroying her personality and reconstructing itself into the identity of the Cyber Shredder, who was trapped in cyberspace and would try every way possible to manifest his very being into the physical world. Until then, he could infiltrate and infect systems for his use, and eventually did reach the physical plane near the end of the series.

In the Turtles Forever movie, the 1987 cartoon Shredder accidentally wound up in the 2003 cartoon's universe due to a dimensional incident with his Technodrome during a recent fight against the 1987 cartoon Turtles. Seeing how there were now eight Turtles in this dimension, his decided to locate and summon the Shredder of this universe, which came up as being Ch'rell, the Utrom Shredder (the Demon Shredder was dead, Karai was no longer wearing her father's armor and title, and the Cyber Shredder had been destroyed). He teleported Ch'rell from his ice asteroid exile, rebuilt his armored suit, and teamed up with him (though, 2003 Shredder took command over 1987 Shredder due to 2003 Shredder being more "vicious, lethal, competent"). The Mirage Comics Shredder also made a cameo, but his appearance was brief, as he was knock off a building by the 1987 Turtles throwing trash cans at him.
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

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And there ya go. The creators are on board with the idea so if the "fans" want to be-head anyone it should be them.

Bay is just producing, not directing, so the blame can't be put on him anyhow. BUt i guess its just easier to hate on him. :HEADHURTS:
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:57 pm

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5150 Cruiser wrote:Bay is just producing, not directing, so the blame can't be put on him anyhow. BUt i guess its just easier to hate on him. :HEADHURTS:
He's still heavily involved (Producer is an important role in the story) and approves of this. >:oP
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... 8758.story

"Fans need to take a breath, and chill. They have not read the script. Our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give a more complex back story," Bay wrote. "Relax, we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place. We are just building a richer world."


Oh and Bay's just producing, so blaming him for this is kind of silly as he's not directing, he's not writing, he's just producing. Point your pitchforks in a different direction.

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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:01 pm

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I dunno, the producers in movies have a lot of say in what goes in and what doesn't go into a film. Look at any movie Tim Burton has produced.

Also: John Peters wouldn't produce Wild Wild West unless it had a giant spider in it, and he got it!
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:10 pm

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Is it me or has mentioning Michael Bay become a sort of personality test? It's like as soon as his name is mentioned people with some certain gene get pissed off and start spewing bullcrap from their keyboards before they know whats going on. It's fascinating really, someone should do a study on that.

I do hate the idea of the turtle being aliens. I'd say that's on par with was done to the Mario Bros. movie. But I'm being calm and rational about it.
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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby Capt.Failure » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:57 pm

I've defended Bay through a lot of criticism on this website, but this....

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Re: Michael Bay RUINZ Ninja Turtlez!!!1!!11one!!eleven!!

Postby crazyray » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:19 pm

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What MIGHT disgust me most, is TMNT changed to Aliens would be TANT. TANT? It sounds like a ebonics/redneck hybrid word!
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SOS TRANSFORMER FANS....TURTLE GATE

Postby budmaloney » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:12 am

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Hi All,

Now I know how much you guys cherish TF like I do, and there is always debate on the movies and what it did to this wonderful franchise of ours (good or bad). But general consensus is that Michael Bay, treated the franchise without respect.
This is not about TF ,so I don't want to go there.

This is about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
If you grew up in the 80s or 90s, and even the new TMNT shows, you may have strong emotions about the treatment of this also wonderful franchise. A franchise that inspired a generation.

If you haven't heard, Bay is on board for a TMNT movie project, and he's already started by claiming they're gonna be aliens. And asked fans to Chill out!

So I'm asking you all, who have connection with the TMNT universe, to voice your opinions on this. Or else it will end up being like TF. Feeling used and spat on (that's IMO).
The reason I'm bringing this up here, is that we, the TF fans were the first victims. We lost it, we were hit, and it would be worse if we see our little brother get hurt by this menace too.

Transformers 4 having Bay is already an issue.

But please don't allow this to happen to TMNT. I feel the childhood of many will be once again ruined.


If you guys have seen the southpark episode of Indiana Jones being violated by Lucas and Spielberg, and the so true message of that episode. Please don't let that happen to TMNT.

So what can we do to help TMNT fans?


This is an open thread, try not to make it a hate or flamewar. It's meant for support ( I think we need a TF support group btw)

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