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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 1:37 pm

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Here freakin' well here! You deserve an academy award for that one! You pretty much just summed EVERYTHING up in one sentance.

Paul WS Anderson? Hmm...i dont have much of an opinion on him, i definateley dont want him coming anywhere near Transformers though.

I liked Resident Evil, it was decent for a mindless action flick. AVP was the same, i cant remember event horizon but Solider had a few redeeming qualities.

See some movies might be crap, but if they are entertaining then thats all that matters. If a film can entertain, do what a movie is SUPPOSED to do basically, then in my eyes its a success.

If i want a deep, thought-provoking oscar winning film experiance, i will go back and watch any of the hundreds of thousands of classic movies there are out there. People simply expect too much these days...
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 1:40 pm

Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.


And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.
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Postby Phategod1 » Sun May 13, 2007 1:48 pm

Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.


And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.


Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.
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Postby Shadowman » Sun May 13, 2007 1:51 pm

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Phategod1 wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.


And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.


Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.


Huh? Where'd you get the personality profile? :???:

And, yeah, Sands of Time might take up all his time for another TF flick.

But Sands of Time is my all-time favorite game. I really hope he gets it right.

[Insert TF fanboys saying he won't 8-| ]
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 1:55 pm

Phategod1 wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.


And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.


Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.


Prince of persia and micheal bay? That wont work...too much sand and its set too far in the past. Someone like stephen sommers would be best suited to that, he did The Mummy.

I just checked IMDB and he is rumoured to do the POP movie....hmmm....i dont really care about the franchise but i think Bay could be a waste of talent on such a movie.

But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.

TF will be a great success too id imagine, so with that in mind, and his previous box-office track record, Bay must be doing something right.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 1:56 pm

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AbsumZer0 wrote:And Paul WS Anderson? The guy who hasn't made a halfway decent movie since Event Horizon? The guy who took the Resident Evil franchise and turned it into a superhero movie starring his wife? The guy who singlehandedly smashed the hopes of Alien and Predator fans everywhere by taking the reins on the long-anticipated Aliens vs. Predator project and turning it into complete ****? What? If Anderson could stop making every movie worse than his last maybe people wouldn't call his latest movies "his worst ever".


See? That's what I'm talking about. Not everyone agrees with you on Resident Evil (Where Paul only did the first one) or Alien vs. Predator (Which rocked, not as any sort of adaptation, but as a good crossover movie).

And what about Mortal Kombat? THE best video game adaptaion ever. And guess what? Even though MK2 is attached to his name as a bad movie, he wasn't invovled with it.

You're opinion doesn't make the world go 'round. People disagree. Get used to it.


Not everyone agrees, no. Plenty of people think Norbit and The Adventures of Pluto Nash were great movies too. There are also plenty of people in the world who believe the Holocaust never happened. Worldwide, there are probably more Holocaust deniers than there are people who thought Resident Evil and Alien vs Predator are great. So what? The best thing about Resident Evil (not even considering the even-worse sequel) was the opening sequence and Aliens vs Predator was a face-palm offense to anyone who read the earlier script for the film that died in pre-production. Both those films were still used the Wachowski Bros. "mid-air camera-rotation" years after it'd been done to death.

What about Mortal Kombat? It was
a) pre-Event Horizon
and
b) only THE best video-game adaptation ever in so much as Burton's Batman was the best comic-book movie ever... in 1990. The fact that even over a decade later we still haven't gotten a more respectable video-game-to-film adaptation (and Bay's Prince of Persia will inevitably hold tradition)doesn't make Mortal Kombat a masterpiece, it makes it slightly less sucky than Doom, Mario Bros., Street Fighter, or Mortal Kombat.
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 1:58 pm

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b) It's only THE best video-game adaptation ever in so much as Burton's Batman was the best comic-book movie ever... in 1990.


1989 actually :P
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Postby Shadowman » Sun May 13, 2007 2:01 pm

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Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.


And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.


Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.


Prince of persia and micheal bay? That wont work...too much sand and its set too far in the past. Someone like stephen sommers would be best suited to that, he did The Mummy.

I just checked IMDB and he is rumoured to do the POP movie....hmmm....i dont really care about the franchise but i think Bay could be a waste of talent on such a movie.

But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.

TF will be a great success too id imagine, so with that in mind, and his previous box-office track record, Bay must be doing something right.


The only real major totally-for-serious failure was Pearl Harbor, and yet, it managed to avoid every Golden Raspberry Award it was nominated for.

So Three Good Films (Bad Boys 1 and 2, The Rock) Two So-So Films (The Island, Armageddon) and One OH DEAR GOD WHO ALLOWED THIS?! film. (Pearl Harbor)

Pretty good track record.

AbsumZer0: How do you get to Holocaust deniers from of people who liked Alien vs. Predator? Seems kind of...I dunno...stupid? Insane? Pointlessly infammatory in a very subtle way? One of those.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 2:06 pm

Sonray wrote:
But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.


Bay said the Island flopped because it was advertised as being more than an action movie. It was his best film in my opinion, primarily due to the script (which stole bits and pieces from other respectable sci-fi works) and cast (who others involved in the film have blamed for the failure)not because of the same empty camera work and hamfisted drama that makes all his other films so popular in his opinion. And to be honest, he's probably right. Shoot for the lowest common denominator and you're bound to succeed because the world is full of people who can't see beyond the sparkle and don't care whether it's jewel-encrusted platinum or a jewel-encrusted turd.
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 2:08 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.


And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.


Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.


Prince of persia and micheal bay? That wont work...too much sand and its set too far in the past. Someone like stephen sommers would be best suited to that, he did The Mummy.

I just checked IMDB and he is rumoured to do the POP movie....hmmm....i dont really care about the franchise but i think Bay could be a waste of talent on such a movie.

But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.

TF will be a great success too id imagine, so with that in mind, and his previous box-office track record, Bay must be doing something right.


The only real major totally-for-serious failure was Pearl Harbor, and yet, it managed to avoid every Golden Raspberry Award it was nominated for.

So Three Good Films (Bad Boys 1 and 2, The Rock) Two So-So Films (The Island, Armageddon) and One OH DEAR GOD WHO ALLOWED THIS?! film. (Pearl Harbor)

Pretty good track record.

AbsumZer0: How do you get to Holocaust deniers from of people who liked Alien vs. Predator? Seems kind of...I dunno...stupid? Insane? Pointlessly infammatory in a very subtle way? One of those.


I thought Pearl Harbor did well at the Box office, despite being torn apart by critics? (rightly so except for the fantastic 40-minute action sequence)

Id say 5 great films: Bad boys 1 & 2, Armageddon (lets face it how many movies destroy so many big cities in so many cool ways?!) The Rock, The Island and one slightly not as good film, Pearl Harbor.

OK I WILL ADMIT TO IT, I LIKED PEARL HARBOR! I can understand why people hate it though. Lets just say its one of those "guilty pleasures" in my collection, ok?! :P
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 2:11 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.


And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.


Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.


Prince of persia and micheal bay? That wont work...too much sand and its set too far in the past. Someone like stephen sommers would be best suited to that, he did The Mummy.

I just checked IMDB and he is rumoured to do the POP movie....hmmm....i dont really care about the franchise but i think Bay could be a waste of talent on such a movie.

But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.

TF will be a great success too id imagine, so with that in mind, and his previous box-office track record, Bay must be doing something right.


The only real major totally-for-serious failure was Pearl Harbor, and yet, it managed to avoid every Golden Raspberry Award it was nominated for.

So Three Good Films (Bad Boys 1 and 2, The Rock) Two So-So Films (The Island, Armageddon) and One OH DEAR GOD WHO ALLOWED THIS?! film. (Pearl Harbor)

Pretty good track record.

AbsumZer0: How do you get to Holocaust deniers from of people who liked Alien vs. Predator? Seems kind of...I dunno...stupid? Insane? Pointlessly infammatory in a very subtle way? One of those.


Because people believing something doesn't make it true. There are people who think Uwe Boll's a visionary, people who think Bay and WS Anderson are great directors, and people that think the Holocaust never happened. Apart from probably being either in their early teens or owning at least one Limp Bizkit album, they also have in common the fact that they're wrong.
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Postby Shadowman » Sun May 13, 2007 2:16 pm

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AbsumZer0 wrote:Because people believing something doesn't make it true. There are people who think Uwe Boll's a visionary, people who think Bay and WS Anderson are great directors, and people that think the Holocaust never happened. Apart from probably being either in their early teens or owning at least one Limp Bizkit album, they also have in common the fact that they're wrong.


Look, I tried make a decent arguement, but about halfway through, the fact that you essentially made yourself look like a total re-re by confusing True and False with opinion just make my brain die.

Look, Liking something is Opinion. Think Bay and Anderson are good directors is opinion.

Believe the Holocaust didn't happen isn't opinion. Get your logical fallcies strait, or just stop posting.
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 2:19 pm

AbsumZer0 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:
Sonray wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.


And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.


Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.


Prince of persia and micheal bay? That wont work...too much sand and its set too far in the past. Someone like stephen sommers would be best suited to that, he did The Mummy.

I just checked IMDB and he is rumoured to do the POP movie....hmmm....i dont really care about the franchise but i think Bay could be a waste of talent on such a movie.

But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.

TF will be a great success too id imagine, so with that in mind, and his previous box-office track record, Bay must be doing something right.


The only real major totally-for-serious failure was Pearl Harbor, and yet, it managed to avoid every Golden Raspberry Award it was nominated for.

So Three Good Films (Bad Boys 1 and 2, The Rock) Two So-So Films (The Island, Armageddon) and One OH DEAR GOD WHO ALLOWED THIS?! film. (Pearl Harbor)

Pretty good track record.

AbsumZer0: How do you get to Holocaust deniers from of people who liked Alien vs. Predator? Seems kind of...I dunno...stupid? Insane? Pointlessly infammatory in a very subtle way? One of those.


Because people believing something doesn't make it true. There are people who think Uwe Boll's a visionary, people who think Bay and WS Anderson are great directors, and people that think the Holocaust never happened. Apart from probably being either in their early teens or owning at least one Limp Bizkit album, they also have in common the fact that they're wrong.


A contradiction since you beleiving that they are wrong isnt a fact, its just YOUR opinion.

Oh and i like Bay, and im 22, married, and own ZERO limp biscuit albums.

However i also like The Wachowski brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Speilberg, James Cameron, John Woo, Brian De Palma, Quentin Tarantino and many other movie legends.

Yes, i have quite a wide taste in movies.
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 2:21 pm

Shadowman wrote:Look, Liking something is Opinion. Think Bay and Anderson are good directors is opinion.

Believe the Holocaust didn't happen isn't opinion. Get your logical fallcies strait, or just stop posting.


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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 2:23 pm

Shadowman wrote:
AbsumZer0 wrote:Because people believing something doesn't make it true. There are people who think Uwe Boll's a visionary, people who think Bay and WS Anderson are great directors, and people that think the Holocaust never happened. Apart from probably being either in their early teens or owning at least one Limp Bizkit album, they also have in common the fact that they're wrong.


Look, I tried make a decent arguement, but about halfway through, the fact that you essentially made yourself look like a total re-re by confusing True and False with opinion just make my brain die.

Look, Liking something is Opinion. Think Bay and Anderson are good directors is opinion.

Believe the Holocaust didn't happen isn't opinion. Get your logical fallcies strait, or just stop posting.


Actually, yeah, believing the Holocaust didn't happen is an opinion. It's an idiot's opinion like "the World Trade Center attack was masterminded by the CIA", "O' Reilly is completely unbiased", or "Bloodrayne is the best movie ever", but it's still an opinion.

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Postby Shadowman » Sun May 13, 2007 2:23 pm

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Sonray wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Look, Liking something is Opinion. Think Bay and Anderson are good directors is opinion.

Believe the Holocaust didn't happen isn't opinion. Get your logical fallcies strait, or just stop posting.


I like you...in a non freaky internet stalker kinda way...


Just be careful. These forums can change people. An ally in one forum may become your darkest enemy in another.

Like me and Ironhidensh. We have vastly different political views, and tend to argue vehemently in the Philosophers Forum (Where I tend to avoid political debate). But we usually agree in this forum.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 2:26 pm

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A contradiction since you beleiving that they are wrong isnt a fact, its just YOUR opinion.

Oh and i like Bay, and im 22, married, and own ZERO limp biscuit albums.

However i also like The Wachowski brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Speilberg, James Cameron, John Woo, Brian De Palma, Quentin Tarantino and many other movie legends.

Yes, i have quite a wide taste in movies.


Of course believing MY they're wrong is still an opinion. It would be a contradiction if I'd said otherwise.

EDIT: And yes, I know I stated my opinion was fact. I was going to point-out that you just said it was only my opinion that that Holocaust deniers were wrong, but then realized I might as well make for rational discussion rather than simply being an ass and screwing with people by twisting their words around.

Stating you like a list of directors best known or only known for their action films (Kubrick being the sole exception) and saying you have "wide taste in movies" comes close to being a contradiction.
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 2:34 pm

AbsumZer0 wrote:
Sonray wrote:
A contradiction since you beleiving that they are wrong isnt a fact, its just YOUR opinion.

Oh and i like Bay, and im 22, married, and own ZERO limp biscuit albums.

However i also like The Wachowski brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Speilberg, James Cameron, John Woo, Brian De Palma, Quentin Tarantino and many other movie legends.

Yes, i have quite a wide taste in movies.


Of course believing MY they're wrong is still an opinion. It would be a contradiction if I'd said otherwise.

Stating you like a list of directors best known or only known for their action films (Kubrick being the sole exception) and saying you have "wide taste in movies" comes close to being a contradiction.


Wow you really like stoking the fire huh.

Just to put you right since you seem to know nothing about directors...

Steven Speilberg ISNT an action movie director. Was A.I. and action movie? No, its was a masterpiece. Was The Terminal an action movie? Nope. Was Catch Me If You Can an action movie? No. Hell i wouldnt even class War Of The Worlds as an action movie, more like a drama.

Now for Brian De Palma. Was Scarface an action movie? Nope. How about Carlitos way? Nahuh.

Quentin Tarantino: Pulp Fiction? Not an action movie, but a cinematic masterpiece of story telling. Reservior dogs, not an action movie, same as above. Kill Bill? I didnt like the movie personally, but i wouldnt even class that as an action movie either.

So what have we established here? Well, i think if i said what we have established about you the servers' censor bot would explode. You get the point.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 2:52 pm

Sonray wrote:
AbsumZer0 wrote:
Sonray wrote:
A contradiction since you beleiving that they are wrong isnt a fact, its just YOUR opinion.

Oh and i like Bay, and im 22, married, and own ZERO limp biscuit albums.

However i also like The Wachowski brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Speilberg, James Cameron, John Woo, Brian De Palma, Quentin Tarantino and many other movie legends.

Yes, i have quite a wide taste in movies.


Of course believing MY they're wrong is still an opinion. It would be a contradiction if I'd said otherwise.

Stating you like a list of directors best known or only known for their action films (Kubrick being the sole exception) and saying you have "wide taste in movies" comes close to being a contradiction.


Wow you really like stoking the fire huh.

Just to put you right since you seem to know nothing about directors...

Steven Speilberg ISNT an action movie director. Was A.I. and action movie? No, its was a masterpiece. Was The Terminal an action movie? Nope. Was Catch Me If You Can an action movie? No. Hell i wouldnt even class War Of The Worlds as an action movie, more like a drama.

Now for Brian De Palma. Was Scarface an action movie? Nope. How about Carlitos way? Nahuh.

Quentin Tarantino: Pulp Fiction? Not an action movie, but a cinematic masterpiece of story telling. Reservior dogs, not an action movie, same as above. Kill Bill? I didnt like the movie personally, but i wouldnt even class that as an action movie either.

So what have we established here? Well, i think if i said what we have established about you the servers' censor bot would explode. You get the point.


Actually, yeah, that's the only reason I'm prodding at you Bay knob-gobblers. Boredom. That, and it sickens me that people can't engage in a decent conversation on this board without half-wits jumping in and going "OMFG itz gunna be awesome Bay is so great why can't you geewhunner people accept that it can't be like the original series Armageddon was the best movie ever boxy robots wouldn't work if I wanted to see an Oscar-winning movie I'd go rent one Transformers is supposed to be nothing more than giant robots fighting action movie and cheesy jokes and" yada yadda yadda ad-nauseum.

Spielberg isn't an action-movie director, he's best known for it. Jaws, Minority Report, Jurassic Park, War of the Worlds. Those are the titles attached to his name on posters. You don't see "produced by the director of Schindler's List" on many posters. A.I. was a good movie, I couldn't stop wondering how much better it'd been if Kubrick hadn't died or if Kubrick would've used Taun-We Kamino cloners in the final act.

Brian de Palma and Tarantino's films are all located under action when you go to rent them. Seriously, check. Not Drama, not Romance, not Foreign or Animated. Why? Because in spite of the fact that they probably constitute drama more than action, action is the label they're thrown under. Maybe you consider "action" to be solely straight-up popcorn fare like Renny Harlin or Michael Bay movies as opposed to a well-balanced film with fleshed-out characters, dialogue that's relevant to the story, and action-scenes, but that's how they're categorized.
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 3:03 pm

Just because that is how they are categorized IN A RENTAL STORE doesnt mean they ARE action movies. To use how films are catergorized on a shelf in a rental store and using that as a "fact" towards what genre a certain movie falls under is the weakest attempt at holding up your side of the arguement i have ever seen!

And yeah, an action movie is a mindless popcorn summer blockbuster bay/woo/harlin-esque seat filler, its harder to get any clearer than that.

If you knew anything about film you would be able to tell the difference. But since you dont then theres no point in continuing this stupid **** flinging contest youve started.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 3:17 pm

Sonray wrote:Just because that is how they are categorized IN A RENTAL STORE doesnt mean they ARE action movies. To use how films are catergorized on a shelf in a rental store and using that as a "fact" towards what genre a certain movie falls under is the weakest attempt at holding up your side of the arguement i have ever seen!

And yeah, an action movie is a mindless popcorn summer blockbuster bay/woo/harlin-esque seat filler, its harder to get any clearer than that.

If you knew anything about film you would be able to tell the difference. But since you dont then theres no point in continuing this stupid **** flinging contest youve started.


And the fact that you believe an action movie should be nothing more than an inane and drivelous special-effects flick derivitave of everything that's ever come before it, ignoring the existence of 'Action' films which have made serious attempts to elevate the genre like Aliens, Gladiator, Platoon, Saving Private Ryan, Die Hard, V for Vendatta, and Sin City, while insisting that everything which is something more than a pure popcorn flick "isn't action" (War of the Worlds and Kill Bill? Who the hell are you kidding?) goes to show that you both know nothing about film and are part of the problem when it comes to enabling Hollywood to pump out one licensed crapfest after another.
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Postby For Gondor! » Sun May 13, 2007 3:26 pm

Why are people citing boxoffice figures as evidence of talent?
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Postby Neko » Sun May 13, 2007 3:36 pm

For Gondor! wrote:Why are people citing boxoffice figures as evidence of talent?


Boxoffice figure determine whether or not there's a sequal or if the people who made the film still have work.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 3:42 pm

Neko wrote:
For Gondor! wrote:Why are people citing boxoffice figures as evidence of talent?


Boxoffice figure determine whether or not there's a sequal or if the people who made the film still have work.


Direct to video-sequels, Renny Harlin, and Uwe Boll are exceptions.

It's a mystery.
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