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Postby Autobot032 » Sun May 13, 2007 3:51 pm

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Cut the dogpiling **** out. This "one man against the world" schtick is getting old. This is Seibertron, not one of the other boards where politics, police states, and closed minds prevail.

So some of us don't agree and have differing opinions...guess what? That's fine. We're all entitled to it. We might think the other is wrong, but we're still well within our rights to have our own opinions.

Anyone who'd be willing to trample on one of our most basic human rights is a coward and a monster.

I have the utmost respect for this board, and it's people...and we can damn sure do better than the competition. (And you know which boards I'm talking about)

Rise above the pettiness and the bickering. Agree to disagree and move on. Cut the flame war crap, or we're going to a locked thread, perhaps warnings, etc...

Damn people...
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Postby Burn » Sun May 13, 2007 4:30 pm

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ahhhh another thread degenerates into who's the best director in the world.

Simple argument?

The best director in the world is who YOU believe it to be. It's the opinion of the viewer.

A person can sprout all the statistics they want for a movie but at the end of the day it comes down to personal opinion.

And yes, it's an opinion. Plain and simple. You either like Michael Bay's style or you don't. You either want to blow Uwe's head off or you don't. You either want to worship the ground Speilberg walks on or you don't.

It really is that simple. And it all comes down to respecting the opinion of another. You may not agree with it, but you don't have the right to ram it down a person's throat and tell them they're wrong or criticise them for liking something or someone that you don't.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 4:52 pm

Burn wrote:ahhhh another thread degenerates into who's the best director in the world.

Simple argument?

The best director in the world is who YOU believe it to be. It's the opinion of the viewer.

A person can sprout all the statistics they want for a movie but at the end of the day it comes down to personal opinion.

And yes, it's an opinion. Plain and simple. You either like Michael Bay's style or you don't. You either want to blow Uwe's head off or you don't. You either want to worship the ground Speilberg walks on or you don't.

It really is that simple. And it all comes down to respecting the opinion of another. You may not agree with it, but you don't have the right to ram it down a person's throat and tell them they're wrong or criticise them for liking something or someone that you don't.


You're absolutely correct.

The problem is that this is a Transformers fan forum and the director chosen to helm the first (and probably only shot at gettiong it right) live-action Transformers flick is an extremely divisive director. Everyone has their opinion of what a Transformers movie should be and, for a lot of us, this guy directing is exactly what a Transformers movie shouldn't be.

People coming in and proclaiming "he's perfect because a mindless popcorn-flick is exactly what Transformers is supposed to be", "it's based on a stupid 80's cartoon anyway", or one of a million other statements that's been done to death is what sparks so many arguments on this board. You want a mindless popcorn-flick and you don't want and/or think the brand deserves anything better? Well, good-news! That's what we're getting, so what's the point in your going from thread to thread complaining about all the "geewhunner cry-babies"?

Not everyone wants and is happy with getting a cliched, predictable summer popcorn flick with cheesy jokes and barely recognizable characters. Instead of going about insisting people "deal with it" they should "deal with" the fact that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.
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Postby vectorA3 » Sun May 13, 2007 5:17 pm

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No -I am not implying Cuaron had anything to do with 28 Weeks Later. Different director. Danny Boyle exec producing really helped -pretty damn solid sequel.

Anyway, about the Bay man - I like all of his action movies, never saw the Island though. Great director for modern action, but maybe not for Sci-Fi. The Island was Sci-Fi and it flopped right? The Wachowski bros. (or brother & sister) would be well suited for that, but they have some Speed Racing to do. For Bay's yelling, most of you have not been on a set before - I work in TV/films/commercials - it's one thing to yell at people strictly for direction and another to yell in anger and abuse your power. It really ruins morale and half the time it's hard to tell whether the director is being serious.

I think Alpha Trion should do TFII. He has a pretty impressive resume.
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michala3 wrote:The Wachowski bros. (or brother & sister) would be well suited for that, but they have some Speed Racing to do.


1. It's Brothers. Andy and Larry.

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Postby Autobot032 » Sun May 13, 2007 5:51 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
michala3 wrote:The Wachowski bros. (or brother & sister) would be well suited for that, but they have some Speed Racing to do.


1. It's Brothers. Andy and Larry.

2. HELL YES TO SPEED RACER.


He was making reference to one of the brothers getting a sex change with the brother and sister comment. (and yes, it's true.)

Wikipedia wrote:Lana Wachowski

Shortly after the release of Matrix Reloaded, Larry Wachowski began to make small public appearances dressed as a woman and going by Lana Wachowski. [2] In his column, published May 30, 2003, David Poland said "Every indication I have says that Larry Wachowski is now in the process of changing his sex. Dressing in public like a woman, taking female hormones and yes, having a sex change operation."[3][4] However, since then many sources have called this into question stating that he is merely a cross dresser and not a transsexual[1].

In March 2006, the San Francisco Chronicle reported in an article on transgender people, that Larry Wachowski "has changed his sex and is now living as Lana Wachowski". [5]


And here's the link to a picture of "Lana" and Andy Wachowski: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... owskis.jpg
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Postby The Paragon of Virtue » Sun May 13, 2007 5:51 pm

Shadowman wrote:
michala3 wrote:The Wachowski bros. (or brother & sister) would be well suited for that, but they have some Speed Racing to do.


1. It's Brothers. Andy and Larry.

2. HELL YES TO SPEED RACER.


One of them doesn't want to be a brother anymore. Larry is now Lana(or Linda):

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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 5:56 pm

AbsumZer0 wrote:People coming in and proclaiming "he's perfect because a mindless popcorn-flick is exactly what Transformers is supposed to be", "it's based on a stupid 80's cartoon anyway", or one of a million other statements that's been done to death is what sparks so many arguments on this board. You want a mindless popcorn-flick and you don't want and/or think the brand deserves anything better? Well, good-news! That's what we're getting, so what's the point in your going from thread to thread complaining about all the "geewhunner cry-babies"?

Not everyone wants and is happy with getting a cliched, predictable summer popcorn flick with cheesy jokes and barely recognizable characters. Instead of going about insisting people "deal with it" they should "deal with" the fact that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.


Making snide sarcastic remarks and trying to insult other peoples opinions whilst not directly doing so is quite pathetic as well ya know. Whats the command for the rolling eyes emote again?


ffs....
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 7:15 pm

Sonray wrote:
AbsumZer0 wrote:People coming in and proclaiming "he's perfect because a mindless popcorn-flick is exactly what Transformers is supposed to be", "it's based on a stupid 80's cartoon anyway", or one of a million other statements that's been done to death is what sparks so many arguments on this board. You want a mindless popcorn-flick and you don't want and/or think the brand deserves anything better? Well, good-news! That's what we're getting, so what's the point in your going from thread to thread complaining about all the "geewhunner cry-babies"?

Not everyone wants and is happy with getting a cliched, predictable summer popcorn flick with cheesy jokes and barely recognizable characters. Instead of going about insisting people "deal with it" they should "deal with" the fact that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.


Making snide sarcastic remarks and trying to insult other peoples opinions whilst not directly doing so is quite pathetic as well ya know. Whats the command for the rolling eyes emote again?


ffs....


That quote was a reference to everyone who's come onto this board and other boards and said the exact same things, each time acting as if they're the first to make that argument. If you're referring to the fact that I didn't mention you by name in that comment I simply didn't need to because you're not at all unique in that respect.

You want me to openly make snide, sarcastic remarks? How's this:

How does I use super-complex dropdown graphical menu to select smiley icons? =P~ :roll:

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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 7:25 pm

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Sonray wrote:
AbsumZer0 wrote:People coming in and proclaiming "he's perfect because a mindless popcorn-flick is exactly what Transformers is supposed to be", "it's based on a stupid 80's cartoon anyway", or one of a million other statements that's been done to death is what sparks so many arguments on this board. You want a mindless popcorn-flick and you don't want and/or think the brand deserves anything better? Well, good-news! That's what we're getting, so what's the point in your going from thread to thread complaining about all the "geewhunner cry-babies"?

Not everyone wants and is happy with getting a cliched, predictable summer popcorn flick with cheesy jokes and barely recognizable characters. Instead of going about insisting people "deal with it" they should "deal with" the fact that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.


Making snide sarcastic remarks and trying to insult other peoples opinions whilst not directly doing so is quite pathetic as well ya know. Whats the command for the rolling eyes emote again?


ffs....


That quote was a reference to everyone who's come onto this board and other boards and said the exact same things, each time acting as if they're the first to make that argument. If you're referring to the fact that I didn't mention you by name in that comment I simply didn't need to because you're not at all unique in that respect.

You want me to openly make snide, sarcastic remarks? How's this:

How does I use super-complex dropdown graphical menu to select smiley icons? =P~ :roll:

ysaafr...


Hehe, the amount of times ive heard that same old "AH tink iahm smarteeer dan juu so im gona make meself look like a biggre mayun bah using a sarcastic and unwitty remark 2 try and insult juu with!" when at the end of the day you just boiled yourself down to the usuall troll in my "to avoid" list, someone incapable of letting something go and insisting on having the last word basically, with nothing better to do but fling insults around like a child.

I wouldnt have even bothered with this reply, but i thought id just let you know where you now stand in my eyes.

So, thats one troll discovered in this new forum i have just recently joined hence my lack of understanding of its emote features, will i come across more? Probably.

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Postby Burn » Sun May 13, 2007 8:08 pm

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AbsumZer0 wrote:Everyone has their opinion of what a Transformers movie should be and, for a lot of us, this guy directing is exactly what a Transformers movie shouldn't be.


And this is based on what? The number of people jumping up and down complaining about it?

That's a human trait. If you don't like something you speak out about it. If you do like something then most people don't speak out about it.

Don't presume the haters are a majority. They're just the most vocal.

so what's the point in your going from thread to thread complaining about all the "geewhunner cry-babies"?


Because i've yet to see one valid argument from a "geewhunner cry-baby".

All i've seen is a lot of bitching based on material that was unfinished.

Instead of going about insisting people "deal with it" they should "deal with" the fact that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.


Bingo.

No movie will ever appeal to everyone. And this movie was never going to be made for the fans, contrary to what certain producers may have claimed.

It was going to be made to make money. And that means creating a movie that appeals to the majority of the movie going public.
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Postby Phategod1 » Sun May 13, 2007 8:10 pm

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Sonray wrote:Just because that is how they are categorized IN A RENTAL STORE doesnt mean they ARE action movies. To use how films are catergorized on a shelf in a rental store and using that as a "fact" towards what genre a certain movie falls under is the weakest attempt at holding up your side of the arguement i have ever seen!

And yeah, an action movie is a mindless popcorn summer blockbuster bay/woo/harlin-esque seat filler, its harder to get any clearer than that.

If you knew anything about film you would be able to tell the difference. But since you don't then there's no point in continuing this stupid **** flinging contest you've started.


And the fact that you believe an action movie should be nothing more than an inane and drivelous special-effects flick derivitave of everything that's ever come before it, ignoring the existence of 'Action' films which have made serious attempts to elevate the genre like Aliens, Gladiator, Platoon, Saving Private Ryan, Die Hard, V for Vendatta, and Sin City, while insisting that everything which is something more than a pure popcorn flick "isn't action" (War of the Worlds and Kill Bill? Who the hell are you kidding?) goes to show that you both know nothing about film and are part of the problem when it comes to enabling Hollywood to pump out one licensed crapfest after another.


I may not agree with everything AZ states But I do agree here there are tons of intelligent action movies. The Day America and the world stops settling for something they actively admit is mindless, the world will be a better place.
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 8:19 pm

Burn wrote:No movie will ever appeal to everyone. And this movie was never going to be made for the fans, contrary to what certain producers may have claimed.

It was going to be made to make money. And that means creating a movie that appeals to the majority of the movie going public.


Thats what ive been trying to say all along, but certain people just cant, or choose not to understand, so dont waste your time wth them Burn.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 8:34 pm

Burn wrote:And this is based on what? The number of people jumping up and down complaining about it?

That's a human trait. If you don't like something you speak out about it. If you do like something then most people don't speak out about it.

Don't presume the haters are a majority. They're just the most vocal.


So, you're saying "a lot of people jumping up and down and complaining" doesn't equal "a lot of people"? What? Who said they were a majority? Who's claiming to speak for everyone? The "shut up and stop whining geewhunners" folks tend to be the people claiming to represent the majority... as you're doing now.

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Because i've yet to see one valid argument from a "geewhunner cry-baby".

All i've seen is a lot of bitching based on material that was unfinished.


Lots of unfinished concept art, like Starscream's, that people insisted was 'early and probably going to change'? Unfinished material... as in Bay's entire previous body of work? The same folks who go about insisting "don't complain until you've seen the entire movie" are the same people going "Bay's perfect for this because all his previous movies are mindless popcorn flicks" or "don't knock Bay because I thought Armageddon/Bad Boys II" was great. The problem is, NOT EVERYONE THOUGHT ARMAGEDDON OR BAD BOYS II WERE ENJOYABLE MOVIES AND THOSE OF US COMPLAINING ARE DISAPPOINTED WE'RE NOT GETTING SOMETHING WITH MORE SUBSTANCE THAN A MINDLESS MICHAEL BAY POPCORN FLICK.

Bingo.

No movie will ever appeal to everyone. And this movie was never going to be made for the fans, contrary to what certain producers may have claimed.

It was going to be made to make money. And that means creating a movie that appeals to the majority of the movie going public.


Yeah, a lot of people paid to see Norbit. What Michael Bay is doing isn't meant to appeal to all, maybe even most fans of the property. WE GET THAT ALREADY. THE PEOPLE MAKING THIS MOVIE HAVE MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, IN SPITE OF ALL THE LIP-SERVICE THEY'VE GIVEN THE RAGS CLAIMING OTHERWISE. So why can't the folks going around telling the people who are fairly certain they're not going to enjoy it (and by your own admission might not) to "stop whining" take their own advice and STFU for once?

Those of us who don't like it aren't going to change their mind after the billionth retard goes "but blocky designs would have never worked". Why not let people voice their disappointment? Why be so offended that some people generally dislike cheezy popcorn fare and would prefer to spend their money on something that isn't aimed squarely at the LCD? If they didn't get so asshurt over it it wouldn't be so tempting to take pot-shots at Bay to begin with.
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Postby For Gondor! » Sun May 13, 2007 8:40 pm

Neko wrote:
For Gondor! wrote:Why are people citing boxoffice figures as evidence of talent?


Boxoffice figure determine whether or not there's a sequal or if the people who made the film still have work.


No, I mean the whole "Bay had big hits therefore he's good and perfect for Transformers" mindset..
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Postby Neko » Sun May 13, 2007 8:48 pm

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For Gondor! wrote:Why are people citing boxoffice figures as evidence of talent?


Boxoffice figure determine whether or not there's a sequal or if the people who made the film still have work.


No, I mean the whole "Bay had big hits therefore he's good and perfect for Transformers" mindset..



LOL!!! I haven't met a transfan yet with that out look. Sure there may be a few peopl who enjoyed a few of his films, but none to that extent.
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Postby For Gondor! » Sun May 13, 2007 9:02 pm

I've seen it used a lot as kind of justification that he knows what he is doing with Transformers because he's had hit films.
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 9:03 pm

AbsumZer0 wrote:
Burn wrote:And this is based on what? The number of people jumping up and down complaining about it?

That's a human trait. If you don't like something you speak out about it. If you do like something then most people don't speak out about it.

Don't presume the haters are a majority. They're just the most vocal.


So, you're saying "a lot of people jumping up and down and complaining" doesn't equal "a lot of people"? What? Who said they were a majority? Who's claiming to speak for everyone? The "shut up and stop whining geewhunners" folks tend to be the people claiming to represent the majority... as you're doing now.

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Because i've yet to see one valid argument from a "geewhunner cry-baby".

All i've seen is a lot of bitching based on material that was unfinished.


Lots of unfinished concept art, like Starscream's, that people insisted was 'early and probably going to change'? Unfinished material... as in Bay's entire previous body of work? The same folks who go about insisting "don't complain until you've seen the entire movie" are the same people going "Bay's perfect for this because all his previous movies are mindless popcorn flicks" or "don't knock Bay because I thought Armageddon/Bad Boys II" was great. The problem is, NOT EVERYONE THOUGHT ARMAGEDDON OR BAD BOYS II WERE ENJOYABLE MOVIES AND THOSE OF US COMPLAINING ARE DISAPPOINTED WE'RE NOT GETTING SOMETHING WITH MORE SUBSTANCE THAN A MINDLESS MICHAEL BAY POPCORN FLICK.

Bingo.

No movie will ever appeal to everyone. And this movie was never going to be made for the fans, contrary to what certain producers may have claimed.

It was going to be made to make money. And that means creating a movie that appeals to the majority of the movie going public.


Yeah, a lot of people paid to see Norbit. What Michael Bay is doing isn't meant to appeal to all, maybe even most fans of the property. WE GET THAT ALREADY. THE PEOPLE MAKING THIS MOVIE HAVE MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, IN SPITE OF ALL THE LIP-SERVICE THEY'VE GIVEN THE RAGS CLAIMING OTHERWISE. So why can't the folks going around telling the people who are fairly certain they're not going to enjoy it (and by your own admission might not) to "stop whining" take their own advice and STFU for once?

Those of us who don't like it aren't going to change their mind after the billionth retard goes "but blocky designs would have never worked". Why not let people voice their disappointment? Why be so offended that some people generally dislike cheezy popcorn fare and would prefer to spend their money on something that isn't aimed squarely at the LCD? If they didn't get so asshurt over it it wouldn't be so tempting to take pot-shots at Bay to begin with.


And to now turn a difference in opinions into a full blown, name-calling flame war makes you think that anything you have to say has anything valid or worthwhile behind it?

When you start calling names, and insulting people and such you loose any credibility you might have once had.

Heres the bottom line:

If you dont like Bay or the new TF's THEN GET THE FECK OVER IT AND DONT SEE THE FREAKING MOVIE AND SHUT THE FECK UP!

If someone says they liked the movie, then you can go to them and say "i dont like it ((despite never seeing it)) because bay directed it" but that doesnt give you the right to start calling people who did like the movie "retards".

Yes voice your disappointments, you have every right to, but you are simply getting out of line now!
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Postby Sonray » Sun May 13, 2007 9:05 pm

For Gondor! wrote:I've seen it used a lot as kind of justification that he knows what he is doing with Transformers because he's had hit films.


Box office results usually mean alot of people like something fro the movie they went to see. So, with that in mind (and this doesnt take alot of brain power to understand) if he has had great box office success, then obviously his films contain SOMETHING that people enjoy, and thus TF will be equally enjoyable by many. Fans and non fans alike.

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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun May 13, 2007 9:20 pm

Sonray wrote:

And to now turn a difference in opinions into a full blown, name-calling flame war makes you think that anything you have to say has anything valid or worthwhile behind it?

When you start calling names, and insulting people and such you loose any credibility you might have once had.

Heres the bottom line:

If you dont like Bay or the new TF's THEN GET THE FECK OVER IT AND DONT SEE THE FREAKING MOVIE AND SHUT THE FECK UP!

If someone says they liked the movie, then you can go to them and say "i dont like it ((despite never seeing it)) because bay directed it" but that doesnt give you the right to start calling people who did like the movie "retards".

Yes voice your disappointments, you have every right to, but you are simply getting out of line now!


No, how about if it upsets you so much that you can't stomach fans of the franchise voicing their disappointment without making the same inane, borderline irrelevant statements for the billionth time on this forum you go to a Michael Bay fanboard or Don Murphy's fanboard as opposed to one where not everyone will agree with you and people aren't banned for not being yes-men? That way you can participate in circle-jerking all you want.

Where did I call people who like the movie 'retards'? That's right, I didn't. Everyone's free to like the movie. The retards are the folks who get all pissy about people voicing their disappointment and argue the same tired points over, and over, and over again.

WE (meaning I and a lot of folks who post regularly on this board) KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL DESIGNS WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED IN A LIVE ACTION FILM.

WE (meaning I and a lot of folks who post regularly on this board) KNOW THAT MASS-SHIFTING PROBABLY/POTENTIALLY WOULDN'T HAVE WORKED IN A LIVE ACTION FILM.

WE (meaning I and a lot of folks who post regularly on this board) KNOW THAT THE MOVIE ISN'T TAILOR-MADE TO THE FANS OF THE IP.

WE (meaning I and a lot of folks who post regularly on this board) KNOW THAT ARMAGEDDON MADE A LOT OF MONEY.

WE (meaning I and a lot of folks who post regularly on this board) KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T A PURE G1 FILM.

None of that means that the designs couldn't have been less busy and more universally appealing, that there couldn't have been greater compromise regarding faithfulness to the IP, none of that means Michael Bay is the perfect director for the franchise, etc.
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