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President-prime wrote:Of course, you also get the book, but personally, I'd rather spend it on a new masterpiece figure.

Actually, the $150 is for the figure alone. Book sold seperately.

zodconvoy wrote: Ah, the manga. I know more than most about the Japanese series' and characters but those manga and magazine only characters are just a huge black hole! I think the only manga I ever read is Kiss Players and even that was just random pages with no real order. I deleted it from my hard drive afterwards!

I'm not sure whether to applaud your bravery or shoot you and burn down everything you've touched.

So stoked for this one. The mold itself still reigns supreme as a favorite Voyager. Add the TargetMaster dyad, obscure characterization, and overall obtuse badassery...SOLD.

Preordered before pics were even released. He'll act as a workplace desktop avatar until he's in hand.

Bravo Million Publishing!

(As discussed with fellow plastic lovers, a Stepper/Artfire TRU Exclusive set would reduce fan froth-mouth, Hasbro! Keep it in mind when rolling out the next incarnation of Classics/Universe/Generations/etc...free idea for the taking.)

150 just for the toy and no book. Easy pass for 'me', thank you

Hasbro! Do Stepper and Artfire, you've got the touch! You've got the power! We've got the money!

BBTS has mor eup for preorder .... nad I got one. Screw it, who am i kidding? I'm a sucker for well done exclucive TFs.

Time to bone up on just who Artfire is ...

I'll get Stepper too in all likelyhood. But with so many still up it seems like it can still wait, while the sell out on Artfire makes me want to put a preorder down now.

Amazing business move on the part of BBTS? If it was, I guess it worke don me.

$150?

You're really only paying for the exclusivity of the item. Lets not pretend otherwise. Ask the casual fan who Artfire was and they'll stare at you blankly. What's the cost of repainting 3 existing molds? they could easily mass release the figure, but then the basic marketing concept of increasing the value of any item by creating the sense of urgency (limited numbers etc) would be diminished.

50/50 for me. I like the figure, nice colours, another repaint of Nightstick (joy) and some crappy micro-dude. Vehicle mode's Weapons combined looks, well, for lack of a better term, s**t. But i won't be paying $150. I could leave it in the box and eBay it 5 years later for $1000, who knows, I just might.

breakdown99 wrote:$150?

You're really only paying for the exclusivity of the item. Lets not pretend otherwise.

Not in this instance.

Here you are paying $50 for a Japanese voyager sized figure, plus $15 or so for them to purchase the book, and then the rest of the cost is having someone in Japan order the figure. These must be delivered to a Japanese address. Then the figure is shipped to the US.

That's the cost of the figure.

Ask the casual fan who Artfire was and they'll stare at you blankly.

So what?

There's "casual" fans out there who still think that anything after the 86' movie is considered to be G2.

But i won't be paying $150. I could leave it in the box and eBay it 5 years later for $1000, who knows, I just might.

A 600% increase on a 5 year investment would make my bond purchases look outright stupid...

Counterpunch wrote:

breakdown99 wrote:$150?

You're really only paying for the exclusivity of the item. Lets not pretend otherwise.

Not in this instance.

It's an "exclusive" figure. You've obviously missed the whole point of what I meant. If that fails, read my post again.

Here you are paying $50 for a Japanese voyager sized figure, plus $15 or so for them to purchase the book, and then the rest of the cost is having someone in Japan order the figure. These must be delivered to a Japanese address. Then the figure is shipped to the US. That's the cost of the figure.
Not an ounce of chrome on this puppy like Henkei's. So the figure you really want to compare it to is this one:
http://www.robotkingdom.com/services/es ... =us&CatID=
$30 for figure + $15 for book. $105 to order a figure? That's not ripping people off, nooooo.... because it's really difficult for them to mass produce it. Oh, wait, then you've got to pay to have it shipped to your US address. You're on to a winner!

Ask the casual fan who Artfire was and they'll stare at you blankly.

So what?
There's "casual" fans out there who still think that anything after the 86' movie is considered to be G2.
Forgive me, my mind was blown by Artfire's awesomeness, I completely forgot who he was. Apparently, he has this affect on a lot of people...

But i won't be paying $150. I could leave it in the box and eBay it 5 years later for $1000, who knows, I just might.

A 600% increase on a 5 year investment would make my bond purchases look outright stupid...

Henkei Wildrider, I'll sell it to you for $600 with free shipping! Not quite 600% but 200% isn't chump change either can your Bonds do that?

Inferno himself is real expensive now... Bah, i'll just have to wait for the Hotspot repaint late this year, and get a 2nd one to paint as inferno.

breakdown99 wrote:Henkei Wildrider, I'll sell it to you for $600 with free shipping! Not quite 600% but 200% isn't chump change either can your Bonds do that?

Still hit and miss.

Toys like Tokyo Toy Show Dreadwing/Smokescreen and Gentei Strafe were big flops and they were in the same category.

Blurrz wrote: Pinpoint isn't the greatest PCC micron either.

It's accurate to the United comic from Generations 2011, though:

Blurrz wrote:

breakdown99 wrote:Henkei Wildrider, I'll sell it to you for $600 with free shipping! Not quite 600% but 200% isn't chump change either can your Bonds do that?

Still hit and miss.

Toys like Tokyo Toy Show Dreadwing/Smokescreen and Gentei Strafe were big flops and they were in the same category.

I think there are certain ones that are predictable hits and flops. Making Strafe out of Cyclonus is a recipe for a flop.

On the other hand making Artfire from a Hybrid of Inferno and Grapple AND give him show accurate colors AND give him two target masters AND release him on the heals of his friend Stepper AND release him as an exclusive again (with his only other release being a sought after Japan exclusive) and presto - Instant success

Art.....who? Just kidding. I'm somewhat aware of who he is but could never in a million years even come close to caring at all about this release.

Hot Spot is more interesting to me. Mostly because i know who he is, i like the colour scheme, has done something of relevence in the TF universe and he actually has a bio.

Stormrider wrote:

Blurrz wrote:

breakdown99 wrote:Henkei Wildrider, I'll sell it to you for $600 with free shipping! Not quite 600% but 200% isn't chump change either can your Bonds do that?

Still hit and miss.

Toys like Tokyo Toy Show Dreadwing/Smokescreen and Gentei Strafe were big flops and they were in the same category.

I think there are certain ones that are predictable hits and flops. Making Strafe out of Cyclonus is a recipe for a flop.

On the other hand making Artfire from a Hybrid of Inferno and Grapple AND give him show accurate colors AND give him two target masters AND release him on the heals of his friend Stepper AND release him as an exclusive again (with his only other release being a sought after Japan exclusive) and presto - Instant success

Would you consider Tokyo Toy Show United Darkside WFC prime/megs a fail or a win? Personally, I think it's a win, with it having badass colour schemes. It goes for around $80 here, and it's pretty common, with it being more common than Dreadwing/Smokescreen... hmmm....

gavinfuzzy wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

Blurrz wrote:

breakdown99 wrote:Henkei Wildrider, I'll sell it to you for $600 with free shipping! Not quite 600% but 200% isn't chump change either can your Bonds do that?

Still hit and miss.

Toys like Tokyo Toy Show Dreadwing/Smokescreen and Gentei Strafe were big flops and they were in the same category.

I think there are certain ones that are predictable hits and flops. Making Strafe out of Cyclonus is a recipe for a flop.

On the other hand making Artfire from a Hybrid of Inferno and Grapple AND give him show accurate colors AND give him two target masters AND release him on the heals of his friend Stepper AND release him as an exclusive again (with his only other release being a sought after Japan exclusive) and presto - Instant success

Would you consider Tokyo Toy Show United Darkside WFC prime/megs a fail or a win? Personally, I think it's a win, with it having badass colour schemes. It goes for around $80 here, and it's pretty common, with it being more common than Dreadwing/Smokescreen... hmmm....

I would consider the United Dkside Set in between. (But perhaps other people have other different opinions). The one thing United Darkside Prime and Megs have going for them is that they are black, but the color also goes against them because they weren't black in the game. Megatron was dark but not that black. Black used to be the cool color way back when Takara and Hasbro released the first black Convoy. But it tends to get over done now, and they release black figures it seems like 2 or 3 times each year, which is why these figures haven't taken off in price (in my opinion).

Yeah, black figures just aren't hitting it well as of late. MP-9B didn't get much love from too many people.

Blurrz wrote:

breakdown99 wrote:Henkei Wildrider, I'll sell it to you for $600 with free shipping! Not quite 600% but 200% isn't chump change either can your Bonds do that?

Still hit and miss.

Toys like Tokyo Toy Show Dreadwing/Smokescreen and Gentei Strafe were big flops and they were in the same category.

Where's the "miss" again?
Robot and vehicle modes are fantastic, and it's worth 2-3 times (depending on what seller you deal with) of what it was when it came out.

Stormrider wrote:
I would consider the United Dkside Set in between. (But perhaps other people have other different opinions). The one thing United Darkside Prime and Megs have going for them is that they are black, but the color also goes against them because they weren't black in the game. Megatron was dark but not that black. Black used to be the cool color way back when Takara and Hasbro released the first black Convoy. But it tends to get over done now, and they release black figures it seems like 2 or 3 times each year, which is why these figures haven't taken off in price (in my opinion).

Blurrz wrote:Yeah, black figures just aren't hitting it well as of late. MP-9B didn't get much love from too many people.

Haters gotta' hate. Black is still the bees knees.

breakdown99 wrote:Where's the "miss" again?
Robot and vehicle modes are fantastic, and it's worth 2-3 times (depending on what seller you deal with) of what it was when it came out.

Both were running at less than 1/2 the price for a very long time at select retailers.

tigertracks 24 wrote:

Stormrider wrote:
I would consider the United Dkside Set in between. (But perhaps other people have other different opinions). The one thing United Darkside Prime and Megs have going for them is that they are black, but the color also goes against them because they weren't black in the game. Megatron was dark but not that black. Black used to be the cool color way back when Takara and Hasbro released the first black Convoy. But it tends to get over done now, and they release black figures it seems like 2 or 3 times each year, which is why these figures haven't taken off in price (in my opinion).

Blurrz wrote:Yeah, black figures just aren't hitting it well as of late. MP-9B didn't get much love from too many people.

Haters gotta' hate. Black is still the bees knees.

I don't hate black figures and United Black Convoy looks sleek. But if you're expecting it to skyrocket in price - probably not right away.

I don't expect any of my figures to skyrocket in price. These aren't stocks and bonds.


Now it's true once things disappear from the market, they tend to be more expensive due to a possibly increased demand for less available of items, but that requires them to disappear from the market first, and BBTS is still sitting on reduced price stock of the black WFC figs.

I guess I never expect ANY black figure to have a fantastic increase in value. When they do, it is a surprise, but again, to me the value is not in the price, but in the color choice, and molds.