T-Macksimus wrote:A lot of folks are putting a whole lot of undo blame for things sucking on the team that doesn't deserve it. The writers bust their asses and strain their brains to crank something out within a given time frame and under specific guidelines most times only to have the producer, the director and the actors utterly demolish their work. This doesn't just go for Kurtzman and Orci, this goes for all show and movie writers. You guys think it's easy? Give it a shot yourselves and I'll sit back and watch as some director chews you up and spits you out for a snack and sh**s all over your effort and your self-esteem. You folks have no freaking clue what the writers go through and what they deal with from the heads of the studios in terms of complete and total unnecessary and unwarranted b.s. but you sure seem to THINK you do and that you have a right to bitch about it and lay the blame at their feet. I can guarantee you that what the writers originally pen and what makes it to screen aren't even remotely close to the same thing.
The Zorro sequel? Overblown, boring and way too long. Not an original creation.
Mission Impossible 3? Not bad, but a tad long, plus the mask thing wore out it's welcome. Not an original creation.
The Island? Ripoff, but a well made one. Not an original creation.
Transformers? Boring for a full hour in a 2.5 hour movie. Optimus was a 30 foot tall suicidal punching bag. Not an original creation.
Revenge Of The Fallen? Crazy and all over the map (and I enjoyed it!) with many flaws including Optimus being a psycho killer. Not an original creation.
Star Trek? Kirk couldn't stay off a ledge, couldn't fight worth a damn, and it alienated a lot of fans. (I don't care about the last part, I welcome it.) Not an original creation.
Hawaii 5-0 (or however they're spelling it out)? Some good storylines, some muddled, some rather boring. Not an original creation.
Star Trek Into Darkness? Very good, can't deny, but a tad too long in the final act, and again...Kirk can't stay off a ledge. Not an original creation.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and 3? 2's getting some mixed reviews already. Not an original creation.
I repeat myself over and over, but it's worth it, because none of their works are original creations. Perhaps Alias, but that was more J.J. Abrams than them and Fringe was a straight up rip off of The X-Files, so no real original creations of their own. Some good ideas, I don't deny that, but they can be blamed for a lot of problems in their movies. They're flippers, and that's really all they are. They take a property that needs a bit of fixing up (or doesn't) and then flip it with their own spin on it. Great, right? No!
I'd like to see them do something truly original. I'd like to see if they really can direct. (If it's anything like their writing skills, eh...) Bay's at fault for some of the TF movie ideas, I know this, but people make him out to be the sole villain in all of this and he's not. They wrote the first two films and they did well, but they had help on both films. John Rogers and Ehren Kruger were probably responsible for the GOOD parts of the scripts. Especially Kruger. DOTM was excellent and he had no "help" from them.
I do believe Orci & Kurtzman have real talent, they do bring old properties back to life with gusto and oomph, but...they're not perfect and they rely on the same ideas over and over and it's sloppy. It's easy and lazy. I want some real effort.
NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.