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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Mindmaster » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:48 am

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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby optimuscarlos » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:01 am

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SO, I have to pay $50 bucks more for one cassette?
I'm thinking about canceling my pre order in BBTS
I would be happy if minimum they put Laserbeak and ravage.
But just laserbeak for $50 for a total of $200. I would buy a nice Macross valkyrie with that money.
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Ghost Starscream » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:06 am

Bbts has Soundwave for 139..... Why would you cancel that?
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Hotrodimust » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:26 pm

Anyone else feel they need to buy a bottle of lube for this serious a$$ f#€king from Takara. One tape really and then waste a whole mp slot on a repaint. I really hop fantoys still releases their mp style soundwave look alike because it's cheaper and probably comes with more than one tape. By the looks of it it's no longer hasbro and Takara it's hasbro and hasbro because Takara used to kinda give us good stuff. But now it's stickered up figures, down sized mp figures and repaints with the hype of a totally new mold. They even hyped up power core combiners and over priced them and the idiots will buy them but talked mega crap about pcc when hasbro released them. I love 3rd party and I wll gladly support it when ever given the choice. At least I get something I like for my money
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Mindmaster » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:43 pm

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Hotrodimust wrote:Anyone else feel they need to buy a bottle of lube for this serious a$$ f#€king from Takara. One tape really and then waste a whole mp slot on a repaint. I really hop fantoys still releases their mp style soundwave look alike because it's cheaper and probably comes with more than one tape. By the looks of it it's no longer hasbro and Takara it's hasbro and hasbro because Takara used to kinda give us good stuff. But now it's stickered up figures, down sized mp figures and repaints with the hype of a totally new mold. They even hyped up power core combiners and over priced them and the idiots will buy them but talked mega crap about pcc when hasbro released them. I love 3rd party and I wll gladly support it when ever given the choice. At least I get something I like for my money


Didn't they cancel that?
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Hotrodimust » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:45 pm

Mindmaster wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:Anyone else feel they need to buy a bottle of lube for this serious a$$ f#€king from Takara. One tape really and then waste a whole mp slot on a repaint. I really hop fantoys still releases their mp style soundwave look alike because it's cheaper and probably comes with more than one tape. By the looks of it it's no longer hasbro and Takara it's hasbro and hasbro because Takara used to kinda give us good stuff. But now it's stickered up figures, down sized mp figures and repaints with the hype of a totally new mold. They even hyped up power core combiners and over priced them and the idiots will buy them but talked mega crap about pcc when hasbro released them. I love 3rd party and I wll gladly support it when ever given the choice. At least I get something I like for my money


Didn't they cancel that?

I heard it was canceled but I didn't read anything with an official statement saying it was but it looked sweet oh well
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby TimothyR » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:48 pm

Hotrodimust wrote:Anyone else feel they need to buy a bottle of lube for this serious a$$ f#€king from Takara. One tape really and then waste a whole mp slot on a repaint. I really hop fantoys still releases their mp style soundwave look alike because it's cheaper and probably comes with more than one tape. By the looks of it it's no longer hasbro and Takara it's hasbro and hasbro because Takara used to kinda give us good stuff. But now it's stickered up figures, down sized mp figures and repaints with the hype of a totally new mold. They even hyped up power core combiners and over priced them and the idiots will buy them but talked mega crap about pcc when hasbro released them. I love 3rd party and I wll gladly support it when ever given the choice. At least I get something I like for my money


you do understand that red alert is an entirely different character and isn't akin to "sleep mode prime" .. or whatever. if they didn't use the sideswipe mold to give us a red alert, that would be a crime.

downsized? .. if you're referring to MP10.. the downsize (for me at least) is warranted, mp 01-04 is just entirely too large. and to get a G1 cast in that scale would be ridiculously expensive.
the sideswipe mold is smaller to be in scale with MP10 which makes sense.. which, again, will make collecting the entire cast far cheaper to collect.

usually we get, what, like 1 masterpiece figure a year, and this time we're getting 3 (two entirely new molds.) i think the size is perfect, and i believe this allows hasbro an easier time of getting these into US retail stores.

as far as hasbro vs takara thing. i agree that the stickers are a super lame idea.. but i doubt that's going to continue into other lines.. plus, i think i lot of people enjoy those little arms micron things.
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby GuyIncognito » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:09 pm

So is Red Alert MP12A or MP14?
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Hotrodimust » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:10 pm

TimothyR wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:Anyone else feel they need to buy a bottle of lube for this serious a$$ f#€king from Takara. One tape really and then waste a whole mp slot on a repaint. I really hop fantoys still releases their mp style soundwave look alike because it's cheaper and probably comes with more than one tape. By the looks of it it's no longer hasbro and Takara it's hasbro and hasbro because Takara used to kinda give us good stuff. But now it's stickered up figures, down sized mp figures and repaints with the hype of a totally new mold. They even hyped up power core combiners and over priced them and the idiots will buy them but talked mega crap about pcc when hasbro released them. I love 3rd party and I wll gladly support it when ever given the choice. At least I get something I like for my money


you do understand that red alert is an entirely different character and isn't akin to "sleep mode prime" .. or whatever. if they didn't use the sideswipe mold to give us a red alert, that would be a crime.

downsized? .. if you're referring to MP10.. the downsize (for me at least) is warranted, mp 01-04 is just entirely too large. and to get a G1 cast in that scale would be ridiculously expensive.
the sideswipe mold is smaller to be in scale with MP10 which makes sense.. which, again, will make collecting the entire cast far cheaper to collect.

usually we get, what, like 1 masterpiece figure a year, and this time we're getting 3 (two entirely new molds.) i think the size is perfect, and i believe this allows hasbro an easier time of getting these into US retail stores.

as far as hasbro vs takara thing. i agree that the stickers are a super lame idea.. but i doubt that's going to continue into other lines.. plus, i think i lot of people enjoy those little arms micron things.

Yes I know sideswipe and red alert are different characters but they are using the same mold. Look at the Lamborghini linsence for each figure it's an lp500s meaning the same mold. That's a waste to an mp slot to me and I want quality over quantity if I'm spending $100 or more on a plastic toy they spend less than $40 to make. And I'm not talking about mp-10 I love that figure I'm talking about mp-12 and 14 and I know they are more to scale but $80 for a small voyager is a lot for a figure that size. And yes I know 3rd party cost that much but they are not a huge corporation. I guess you can look at it like this ones Walmart and the other is your corner store. Walmart is cheaper they can buy in bulk and get cheaper prices on the items they sell so they offers lower prices. The corner store can't buy bulk so they don't get discounted prices and have to charge more for the items they sell. Some of the 3rd party companies make 500 pieces where hasbro makes 500,000 pieces but what ever I'm way off track now. And I like arms microns it just sucks in order to get them u have to buy a figure with less paint so they can even out the price to make the same profit on each figure. It's just wrong that these toy companies are that greedy even dotm figure got down sized a little because they added mech tech weapons and hasbro must of thought no one was gonna notice they were smaller lol. Even the new movie gi joes or avenger figures they added a spring loaded gimmick weapon and took articulation away from the figures so the cost of each figure is the same and they make the same profit. These companies can't take a little loose for the happiness of their customers
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby craggy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:55 pm

I'm not saying this is the case, but maybe HasTak realise that fans/collectors/plastic addicts will pay the $80 for a Voyager because people have been doing so for the past few years with unofficial products?
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Blurrz » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:10 pm

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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby optimuscarlos » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:05 pm

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Ghost Starscream wrote:Bbts has Soundwave for 139..... Why would you cancel that?


Well, I think that if the price officially gone up BBTS will have to rise the preorder price.
If that happens I will cancel my order.
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Hotrodimust » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:19 pm

craggy wrote:I'm not saying this is the case, but maybe HasTak realise that fans/collectors/plastic addicts will pay the $80 for a Voyager because people have been doing so for the past few years with unofficial products?

No I also agree with this to I've said it in the past that hasbro is gonna finally relize we will pay over the top prices for the figure we truely want I just don't think sideswipe and red alert are some of those top priority figures.
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby AlmightyOrange » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:21 pm

It's good to see that Masterpiece Soundwave will include Lazerbeak. But I'm left wondering, will there be future releases of other cassette transformers? Even then I must wonder, Blaster? Now he would be a good retooling of the Soundwave figure. Exciting times for Transformers collectors.
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby budmaloney » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:28 pm

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They should have made Soundwave MP-03

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I'm happy they licensed Lambo for Sideswipe. I'm betting they might add an energon cube with Soundwave
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Hotrodimust » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:37 pm

budmaloney wrote:They should have made Soundwave MP-03

Get it? Cause he's a ...and it's the...aww never mind.

I'm happy they licensed Lambo for Sideswipe. I'm betting they might add an energon cube with Soundwave

That would be awesome if the released an energon cube. I have a few light up ones they look pretty sweet in my collection
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Blurrz » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:04 pm

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AlmightyOrange wrote:It's good to see that Masterpiece Soundwave will include Lazerbeak. But I'm left wondering, will there be future releases of other cassette transformers? Even then I must wonder, Blaster? Now he would be a good retooling of the Soundwave figure. Exciting times for Transformers collectors.


My sources say that future cassettes will be released in two-packs. With the eventual Soundblaster release.. well you can guess which cassette that will be.


Hotrodimust wrote:
craggy wrote:I'm not saying this is the case, but maybe HasTak realise that fans/collectors/plastic addicts will pay the $80 for a Voyager because people have been doing so for the past few years with unofficial products?

No I also agree with this to I've said it in the past that hasbro is gonna finally relize we will pay over the top prices for the figure we truely want I just don't think sideswipe and red alert are some of those top priority figures.


How the hell are you mad about these Masterpiece releases? Did you ever know that for a long period of time (between Grimlock and Hot Rod, 2009-2011), the fandom was left in agony in the possibility that the Masterpiece line was dead?

You do realize with these short releases in a shorter period of time that means we are going to get more Masterpiece toys. And the fact that we are getting such a dynamic mold in the Lamborghini, that it means we'll likely get other G1 Masterpieces who had real life alternate modes?

With the release of Red Alert and Sideswipe means that every member of the G1 cast is getting their fair share of candicicy for the MP line. Holy Hannah, be thankful MP-12 isn't a bloody Volkswagen.

And honestly? That's your logic? Hasbro's finally learning that we'll pay big prices? Please, they've known it for a very long time. As fans we're suckers. We'll buy anything.
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Mykltron » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:28 pm

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Very pleased that the MP releases are due to come out more frequently.

Disappointed that MP-14 will be almost the same as mp-12.

Pleased that I won't be needing to buy three Masterpieces in a three month period.

Not surprised at all at the price increase but pleasantly surprised that it's still only a similar price to the previous Primes.

Very excited that I'll have a Masterpiece figure in time for my December birthday.

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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Flashwave » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:33 pm

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Thirded.

I'm quite happy for you guys to have something to enjoy and complain about, but I've already got my Alternators Sideswipe, and thats all these are anow are glorified ALt/BTs. Granted, Soundwave might actually be worth calling a Masterpiece, but not as a cassette player.
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby craggy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:37 pm

considering the 2nd hand prices for some of the earlier Classics-verse figures, which are only Deluxe size and nowhere near as well-engineered or geewun in looks as this upcoming Sideswipe...and considering that he's out with Soundwave soon to follow, and not that long after the retooled Starscream...and that, iconic as he might be, he's pretty far from one of the most requested of the G1 lineup...

I'd say the price is good, as is the prospect that we'll be getting a lot more MPs. I don't know that I'll get SS, but I'm happy about his release.
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Stormrider » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:43 pm

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I don't understand why a few folks are freaking out over this announcement. This is not tragic news. As others stated already - I hope this means we get these figures more frequently.

And I hope Laserbeak is a slightly larger tape to allow more detail and flexibility. BBTS has MP Soundwave for $140.

Anyone else notice BBTS description for Sideswipe?

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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby Hotrodimust » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:49 pm

Blurrz wrote:
AlmightyOrange wrote:It's good to see that Masterpiece Soundwave will include Lazerbeak. But I'm left wondering, will there be future releases of other cassette transformers? Even then I must wonder, Blaster? Now he would be a good retooling of the Soundwave figure. Exciting times for Transformers collectors.


My sources say that future cassettes will be released in two-packs. With the eventual Soundblaster release.. well you can guess which cassette that will be.


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craggy wrote:I'm not saying this is the case, but maybe HasTak realise that fans/collectors/plastic addicts will pay the $80 for a Voyager because people have been doing so for the past few years with unofficial products?

No I also agree with this to I've said it in the past that hasbro is gonna finally relize we will pay over the top prices for the figure we truely want I just don't think sideswipe and red alert are some of those top priority figures.


How the hell are you mad about these Masterpiece releases? Did you ever know that for a long period of time (between Grimlock and Hot Rod, 2009-2011), the fandom was left in agony in the possibility that the Masterpiece line was dead?

You do realize with these short releases in a shorter period of time that means we are going to get more Masterpiece toys. And the fact that we are getting such a dynamic mold in the Lamborghini, that it means we'll likely get other G1 Masterpieces who had real life alternate modes?

With the release of Red Alert and Sideswipe means that every member of the G1 cast is getting their fair share of candicicy for the MP line. Holy Hannah, be thankful MP-12 isn't a bloody Volkswagen.

And honestly? That's your logic? Hasbro's finally learning that we'll pay big prices? Please, they've known it for a very long time. As fans we're suckers. We'll buy anything.

I'm not really mad it's just not that great to me. Like soundwave might be cool and it's ok that sideswipe is an mp and its cool he is lisence by Lamborghini but to make mp 14 the same as 12 sucks. He should be 12-a. But really thinking about it what's the difference between the seeker releases and this nothing so I've changed my mine I'm fine with it. And hasbro gets the suckers to buy anything that's right suckers have fun with that crapy pcc bruticus lol
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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby SkyWarpt » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:00 pm

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You do realize with these short releases in a shorter period of time that means we are going to get more Masterpiece toys. And the fact that we are getting such a dynamic mold in the Lamborghini, that it means we'll likely get other G1 Masterpieces who had real life alternate modes?

With the release of Red Alert and Sideswipe means that every member of the G1 cast is getting their fair share of candicicy for the MP line. Holy Hannah, be thankful MP-12 isn't a bloody Volkswagen.


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Re: MP 12/12A and 13

Postby TimothyR » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:34 pm

Hotrodimust wrote:Yes I know sideswipe and red alert are different characters but they are using the same mold. Look at the Lamborghini linsence for each figure it's an lp500s meaning the same mold. That's a waste to an mp slot to me and I want quality over quantity if I'm spending $100 or more on a plastic toy they spend less than $40 to make. And I'm not talking about mp-10 I love that figure I'm talking about mp-12 and 14 and I know they are more to scale but $80 for a small voyager is a lot for a figure that size. And yes I know 3rd party cost that much but they are not a huge corporation. I guess you can look at it like this ones Walmart and the other is your corner store. Walmart is cheaper they can buy in bulk and get cheaper prices on the items they sell so they offers lower prices. The corner store can't buy bulk so they don't get discounted prices and have to charge more for the items they sell. Some of the 3rd party companies make 500 pieces where hasbro makes 500,000 pieces but what ever I'm way off track now. And I like arms microns it just sucks in order to get them u have to buy a figure with less paint so they can even out the price to make the same profit on each figure. It's just wrong that these toy companies are that greedy even dotm figure got down sized a little because they added mech tech weapons and hasbro must of thought no one was gonna notice they were smaller lol. Even the new movie gi joes or avenger figures they added a spring loaded gimmick weapon and took articulation away from the figures so the cost of each figure is the same and they make the same profit. These companies can't take a little loose for the happiness of their customers


i completely agree with you about how it's wrong to take articulation away from figures in order to give them spring loaded weapons and what not. the new phase 2 captain rex has no wrist articulation, or knees, or ankles.. i'm surprised his elbows bend at this point.

but i don't think you're understanding what i'm saying about price. all takara figures cost more.. from deluxe to masterpiece figures, they're all more expensive. now if you wait for the hasbro release it'll probably be around $35-$40 rather than $80.. which to me, for a collectors figure at TRU is reasonable. you're just commenting on takara's pricing which is high, it's an import after all.

red alert is necessary.. when it's all said and done, i'm hoping we get all of the G1 cast. i don't see why red alert is a problem, he'll have a new paint scheme, a different launcher, and a new head. .. he's not "taking a slot" from anyone. and i'm not sure if you know this, but there are A LOT of repaints in the original show, and with the original toy line. since they have the sideswipe mold ready.. why wouldn't they just get red alert out of the way? ? it just makes too much sense. i honestly don't know what you're problem with this is. .. plus we're getting a soundwave. 3 new MP figures, 2 new MP molds in one year.. i don't believe that happens very often.

basically it's like them releasing an MP ironhide and the next one is ratchet with an MP galvatron being released around the same time.. would you complain that you don't want the ratchet because it'll just be a repaint? .. no, because ironhide and ratchet are their own characters. it's not like they're releasing a "stealth sideswipe". they're releasing a prominent character from the show.

this argument just seems kind of pointless.. i'll say this if they were doing an mp "stealth sideswipe" and giving it it's own number rather than a letter.. i'd agree with you. but it's a completely different character. and like i said, it just makes too much sense.. why put it off when they can just release it now.
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