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Mykltron wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

I'm not paying hundreds for a figure with almost no shoulder articulation.

that's a mock up using G1 magnus's trailer.

TimothyR wrote:

Mykltron wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

I'm not paying hundreds for a figure with almost no shoulder articulation.

that's a mock up using G1 magnus's trailer.

Yes, it is. That is why I said it twice in my post that was a mock up with the G1 trailer. Mykltron seems to have just jumped to the picture and didn't seem to read my post. I was saying that I hope they have found a way to make it work with the trailer. That being said, I am in the camp of preferring an Ultra Magnus that isn't just a white Prime in armor. I would prefer a brand new mold where there is no white Prime and the truck fully intergrates into the trailer like what they did with Titanium UM. I'm not saying they should do the same thing but look into ways of making that incorporation work much better. That is of course assuming MP-15 is Ultra Magnus. Though, going by the number MP-15 I think it will. New characters get a new number, repaints of the same character get a suffix after the number (MP-01S, MP-09B etc.).

Unless this is a prime with armor for Magnus, pass.

I have to agree with Trikeboy on this. The transformation of MP-10 leaves little room for proper fitting trailer armor or proper articulation. Skipping the white Robot part may have to be the way to go this time around. Personally, I can't stand the idea of the white robot due to the fact that Magnus never stepped out of his armor in the TV series. Yes I understand he did in the comics, but I think most of us got to know magnus first in the TV series.

my biggest worry is that we will get just another albino prime. I'm so sick of that shortcut being used. The fans don't deserve it, and it's disrespectful to the character as a whole.

I say Ultra Magnus complete, or no magnus at all!

Trikeboy wrote:Mykltron seems to have just jumped to the picture and didn't seem to read my post.

Yes, it seems I did just that.

gothweaver wrote:my biggest worry is that we will get just another albino prime. I'm so sick of that shortcut being used. The fans don't deserve it, and it's disrespectful to the character as a whole.

I say Ultra Magnus complete, or no magnus at all!

Like I said earlier, the only real issue with MP-2 was the reissue. It faced some QC issues, and it is safe to assume that it will not be repeated. That, and they said something that MP-2 is now part of the Binaltech timeline. Otherwise, it is worth having in its truck form and with the paper trailer added.

As for the armor, it is safe to assume that the arms tuck in before you put it on. Which means that there should be articulation, and the trailer is split into two parts. But that is an observational speculation.

And if it is Ultra Magnus, I have three issues: Price, availability, and if this would make me want to seek out a MP-8 Grimlock (I am trying to collect Commander rank characters, just not Supreme Commanders).

I'll take the minority position that I quite like the two robots in one feature of Ultra Magnus, I had him as a kid and loved both modes. And yes, as Maximus said, there probably is a fair bit of "limb tuck-in" to allow his armour a greater deal of articulation. Either way, we'll get what we get, one way of looking at it, could be a money-saver if he's just albino Prime.

zappatton2 wrote:I'll take the minority position that I quite like the two robots in one feature of Ultra Magnus, I had him as a kid and loved both modes. And yes, as Maximus said, there probably is a fair bit of "limb tuck-in" to allow his armor a greater deal of articulation. Either way, we'll get what we get, one way of looking at it, could be a money-saver if he's just albino Prime.

Actually, You're probably not in the minority. I think a most people want both robots. I do too if it's feasible. I'm just saying if it's not (which is more than likely, considering you can't just fold the arms to the side as stated above), I'd rather have the full character rather than just another albino prime.

gothweaver wrote:

zappatton2 wrote:I'll take the minority position that I quite like the two robots in one feature of Ultra Magnus, I had him as a kid and loved both modes. And yes, as Maximus said, there probably is a fair bit of "limb tuck-in" to allow his armor a greater deal of articulation. Either way, we'll get what we get, one way of looking at it, could be a money-saver if he's just albino Prime.

Actually, You're probably not in the minority. I think a most people want both robots. I do too if it's feasible. I'm just saying if it's not (which is more than likely, considering you can't just fold the arms to the side as stated above), I'd rather have the full character rather than just another albino prime.

Agreed with gothweaver, when it comes to UM, wanting the 2 robot forms, can never be in the minority. It's in UM root characteristic dating back to Diaclone. Just because the cartoon doesn't show, it doesn't mean the White Magnus isn't part of UM character. To me, I take the 2 bot form modes over the Titanium style any day. Otherwise, he would just be Magnus

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And if it is Ultra Magnus, I have three issues: Price, availability, and if this would make me want to seek out a MP-8 Grimlock (I am trying to collect Commander rank characters, just not Supreme Commanders).

If you're looking to get Grimlock, I'd say go for either MP-8, MP-8K, or even the Hasbro version (the differences of the Hasbro version are quite minimal), as, of all the MPs I own, Grimlock is my favorite MP mold simply because it's just so darn fun a figure!

REMINATOR wrote:I'm just curious, how would the fandom feel if TTomy pull out a stunt like Igear PP01 Ultra which they would release the white Magnus robot cab first and then promise the trailer to be followed some where down the road? As we know, Igear never release the armor til this day.
For me, it's a win-win whether it's just a white Magnus or the Ultra version since I collect them both. As long it's not another Prime repaint black/gray/Nemesis/Scourge, I'm all happy.

I can't see TT ever releasing just the armor. If they did something like this, I'd expect it to be like MP-01 and MP-04 where you'd wind up with two bots and one trailer. But I don't really see them releasing just a white Prime this time around. If this teaser is actually legitimate, I think it's either a different Prime repaint or Ultra Magnus done proper.

gothweaver wrote:Actually, You're probably not in the minority. I think a most people want both robots. I do too if it's feasible. I'm just saying if it's not (which is more than likely, considering you can't just fold the arms to the side as stated above), I'd rather have the full character rather than just another albino prime.

Just curious on what you mean "you can't just fold the arms to the side."

I ask because from my understanding, the arms were always part of the trailer that becomes the armor. And because of that, in order to have any QC-free articulation, you need to revert the robot's arms back into the way it was in truck form. Much like the way it was with the original toy. Or did the toy not transform this way after all?

That, and I am also assuming that the trailer will split into two parts in order to give the figure maximum articulation.

Sabrblade wrote:If you're looking to get Grimlock, I'd say go for either MP-8, MP-8K, or even the Hasbro version (the differences of the Hasbro version are quite minimal), as, of all the MPs I own, Grimlock is my favorite MP mold simply because it's just so darn fun a figure!

I agree. But my problem is that because I have said limited budget, hope to move next year, and plan to submit all of my current pieces to AFA... I don't know if MP-8 Grimlock and the possible Ultra Magnus pieces are possible. Especially since it does not appear they will reissue him as either an Encore or even a Masterpiece.

But he will be in my list in hopes of me getting lucky, as he fits what I am looking for. So lets hope he gets a reissue either way.

Okay...

Clue #1: worthless, shadowy teaser pic (that we always complain about anyways):
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Clue #2: "teaser" image originated from 4chan (cuz we know everything they do is on the level, amirite?)
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Conclusion: 'fraid y'all got trolled.

DJrasmo wrote:Okay...

Clue #1: worthless, shadowy teaser pic (that we always complain about anyways):
-Check

Clue #2: "teaser" image originated from 4chan (cuz we know everything they do is on the level, amirite?)
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Conclusion: 'fraid y'all got trolled.

And can you back up that conclusion?

Because "'fraid y'all got trolled." means nothing but an invalid speculation on your front if you cannot back it up. Because how about this?

Fact #1: We also have an official image of a "Masterpiece" Convoy in prototype Magnus armor. This was shown some time prior to this announcement.

Fact #2: The last two pieces they had announced had no proper prototype images, yet the last three announced had the shadowy images.

Fact #3: Ultra Magnus looks like Convoy without his armor, and making a shadowy mock-up with his armor would ruin any surprises.

So unless you have evidence that supports your claims, I recommend that you recede the trolling comment just because you have no faith in the idea that intelligent people also go to 4chan.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

gothweaver wrote:Actually, You're probably not in the minority. I think a most people want both robots. I do too if it's feasible. I'm just saying if it's not (which is more than likely, considering you can't just fold the arms to the side as stated above), I'd rather have the full character rather than just another albino prime.

Just curious on what you mean "you can't just fold the arms to the side."

I ask because from my understanding, the arms were always part of the trailer that becomes the armor. And because of that, in order to have any QC-free articulation, you need to revert the robot's arms back into the way it was in truck form. Much like the way it was with the original toy. Or did the toy not transform this way after all?

I think they were referring to the cab robot's arms folding into the side, not the trailer super mode's arms.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:If you're looking to get Grimlock, I'd say go for either MP-8, MP-8K, or even the Hasbro version (the differences of the Hasbro version are quite minimal), as, of all the MPs I own, Grimlock is my favorite MP mold simply because it's just so darn fun a figure!

I agree. But my problem is that because I have said limited budget, hope to move next year, and plan to submit all of my current pieces to AFA... I don't know if MP-8 Grimlock and the possible Ultra Magnus pieces are possible. Especially since it does not appear they will reissue him as either an Encore or even a Masterpiece.

But he will be in my list in hopes of me getting lucky, as he fits what I am looking for. So lets hope he gets a reissue either way.

That's cool. No need to hurry. I'd say whichever one you want also depends on which accessories you want.

Though, I wouldn't count on any G1 mold reissue like in Encore or whatnot, as the original Dinobot molds are among those said to be either lost or beyond use (along with Wheeljack, Sunstreaker, and maybe Shockwave).

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

gothweaver wrote:Actually, You're probably not in the minority. I think a most people want both robots. I do too if it's feasible. I'm just saying if it's not (which is more than likely, considering you can't just fold the arms to the side as stated above), I'd rather have the full character rather than just another albino prime.

Just curious on what you mean "you can't just fold the arms to the side."

I ask because from my understanding, the arms were always part of the trailer that becomes the armor. And because of that, in order to have any QC-free articulation, you need to revert the robot's arms back into the way it was in truck form. Much like the way it was with the original toy. Or did the toy not transform this way after all?

That, and I am also assuming that the trailer will split into two parts in order to give the figure maximum articulation.

The MP-10 mold can't fold it's arms back into it's sides. the waist is made up of the wheel arches like MP-01. In order to get them in, you have to basically take the toy back to truck mode. Since the legs don't flip down like the G1 mold, this leaves the front of the truck pointing straight up and make it incredibly back heavy. In order to make an armor for that mold it will have to be a parts former like City Commander.

Trikeboy wrote:

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

gothweaver wrote:Actually, You're probably not in the minority. I think a most people want both robots. I do too if it's feasible. I'm just saying if it's not (which is more than likely, considering you can't just fold the arms to the side as stated above), I'd rather have the full character rather than just another albino prime.

Just curious on what you mean "you can't just fold the arms to the side."

I ask because from my understanding, the arms were always part of the trailer that becomes the armor. And because of that, in order to have any QC-free articulation, you need to revert the robot's arms back into the way it was in truck form. Much like the way it was with the original toy. Or did the toy not transform this way after all?

That, and I am also assuming that the trailer will split into two parts in order to give the figure maximum articulation.

The MP-10 mold can't fold it's arms back into it's sides. the waist is made up of the wheel arches like MP-01. In order to get them in, you have to basically take the toy back to truck mode. Since the legs don't flip down like the G1 mold, this leaves the front of the truck pointing straight up and make it incredibly back heavy. In order to make an armor for that mold it will have to be a parts former like City Commander.

Oh, I'm sure they could think of a creative way to do it. MP Rodimus would have been easy if you could just throw his car mode into that winnebago, but oh no, you have to transform him into some sort of monstrous mess to shove him under his trailer. I'm thinking this will be similar.

zappatton2 wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

gothweaver wrote:Actually, You're probably not in the minority. I think a most people want both robots. I do too if it's feasible. I'm just saying if it's not (which is more than likely, considering you can't just fold the arms to the side as stated above), I'd rather have the full character rather than just another albino prime.

Just curious on what you mean "you can't just fold the arms to the side."

I ask because from my understanding, the arms were always part of the trailer that becomes the armor. And because of that, in order to have any QC-free articulation, you need to revert the robot's arms back into the way it was in truck form. Much like the way it was with the original toy. Or did the toy not transform this way after all?

That, and I am also assuming that the trailer will split into two parts in order to give the figure maximum articulation.

The MP-10 mold can't fold it's arms back into it's sides. the waist is made up of the wheel arches like MP-01. In order to get them in, you have to basically take the toy back to truck mode. Since the legs don't flip down like the G1 mold, this leaves the front of the truck pointing straight up and make it incredibly back heavy. In order to make an armor for that mold it will have to be a parts former like City Commander.

Oh, I'm sure they could think of a creative way to do it. MP Rodimus would have been easy if you could just throw his car mode into that winnebago, but oh no, you have to transform him into some sort of monstrous mess to shove him under his trailer. I'm thinking this will be similar.

I would rather him be a parts former for the armor than have the trailer transform around the mp-10 mold. I think it would have an overall better outcome with looks and articulation. Just like perfect effects motobot aka arcee if they didn't make her a little bit of a part former I think the figures articulation and overall appearance would have suffered from it. Plus armor usually comes in pieces but what ever way Takara does it if that's what they are doing I hope it comes out great and remains very articulated.

I think we will see the ultra magnus with full armor and trailer, as we are getting the sideswipe and red alert figures, which if we get the trailer we could load them up onto the trailer as a real car carrier, if you remember back to the G1 packaging it shows magnus carrying other bots in vehicle mode. And even tho the pic shows MP-10 doesnt mean they did a retool to the mold to make it work with full armor. But if not magnus I def foresee being a Nemesis Prime deco, its quick and easy and it allows them a lil filler to have more time to make the magnus armor work.

BluavalancheZ71 wrote:I think we will see the ultra magnus with full armor and trailer, as we are getting the sideswipe and red alert figures, which if we get the trailer we could load them up onto the trailer as a real car carrier, if you remember back to the G1 packaging it shows magnus carrying other bots in vehicle mode. And even tho the pic shows MP-10 doesnt mean they did a retool to the mold to make it work with full armor. But if not magnus I def foresee being a Nemesis Prime deco, its quick and easy and it allows them a lil filler to have more time to make the magnus armor work.

Exactly, easy padding that will sell like hotcakes.

@ Sabrblade: I am calling both Hasbro and Takara Tomy lazy on grounds that they should have been recreating molds by reverse engineering any quality KO pieces or pieces that did not degenerate while saving the scanned data on a computer.

That, and as much as I love me some Dinobots, I have to put the MP-8 on a pending list. To simplify my buying, any characters that are not from G1/Headmasters must either be exclusives (Asian market, Japanese, etc.) or reissues. No clue on the MP stuff, but have him listed in the new 2010 category for the time being.

BluavalancheZ71 wrote:And even tho the pic shows MP-10 doesnt mean they did a retool to the mold to make it work with full armor.

This.

Because I was going to respond to why they would just reuse a MP-10 Convoy mold for a more complicated figure. I honestly thing that, since they are trying to improve the quality, they would make a slightly newer mold so it would work with the armor.

BluavalancheZ71 wrote:But if not magnus I def foresee being a Nemesis Prime deco, its quick and easy and it allows them a lil filler to have more time to make the magnus armor work.

I slightly cannot, for two reasons:

1) In Japanese continuity, Black Convoy (Nemesis Prime) only existed in the Binaltech continuity. (Binaltech: BT-17 Black Convoy; Alternity: A-01 Convoy - Super Black)

2) e-HOBBY had done a MP-1B Convoy Black Ver. (which is part of the G-2 portion of the Generation 1 timeline.)

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I slightly cannot, for two reasons:

1) In Japanese continuity, Black Convoy (Nemesis Prime) only existed in the Binaltech continuity. (Binaltech: BT-17 Black Convoy; Alternity: A-01 Convoy - Super Black)

Even though both were separate guys (BT Black Convoy having been created by Arkeville and Alternity Convoy Super Black being a redeemed Universe Nemesis Prime).

It's also kinda funny that BT Black Convoy's body was the basis for Optimus Primal's new body at the end of the events of Alternity.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:2) e-HOBBY had done a MP-1B Convoy Black Ver. (which is part of the G-2 portion of the Generation 1 timeline.)

Which turned out to be the Eldedroids.

Whoa! Maybe it's another Eldedroid toy using the MP-10 mold. Granted that would be boring, lazy, and flat out awful, but still possible.

Sabrblade wrote:Which turned out to be the Eldedroids.

Whoa! Maybe it's another Eldedroid toy using the MP-10 mold. Granted that would be boring, lazy, and flat out awful, but still possible.

That actually happened after G-2, which ended with Convoy having his body reconfigured into his original form and applied with the similar/same coating used during his Nebulon Quest days. (Honestly, I am still wondering why they gave him Super Ginrai's number and not God Ginrai's number for that set.) This allowed him to become Cybertron Chief Commander, defeat Galvatron II, and allow Laser Ultra Magnus live to say "Well... If I had my old body, I could beat the snot out of him!"

And besides... If I do recall, they could always allow e-HOBBY make a "Daniel" version of MP-15, if it turns out to be Ultra Magnus.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:That actually happened after G-2,

So? I didn't say anything about pre- or post-G-2.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:(Honestly, I am still wondering why they gave him Super Ginrai's number and not God Ginrai's number for that set.)

Maybe it's due to the lack of a Godbomber redeco.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:This allowed him to become Cybertron Chief Commander, defeat Galvatron II, and allow Laser Ultra Magnus live to say "Well... If I had my old body, I could beat the snot out of him!"

Though, despite his defeating Galvatron II, Galvatron II still remained at large and in command with Megatron (now somehow back in his old body) serving under him.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And besides... If I do recall, they could always allow e-HOBBY make a "Daniel" version of MP-15, if it turns out to be Ultra Magnus.

Good thinking. It would make sense for e-HOBBY to be the ones to make another Eldedroid toy.