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Sabrblade wrote:Though, Unicron didn't make Galvatron I (not II) insane. That was due to his lava bath on Thrull messing with his head, as he was still sane in the 1986 movie (however, Galvatron II's insanity was indeed a side-effect of Unicron's reformatting).

I need to slightly correct you there. In the movie, we do not see the state of Galvatron's mentality after the death of Unicron. However, what we do see is him being placed on a very tight mental leash... Which means that whenever Galvatron resisted, he received a very bad form of mental torture.

I am assuming that he was forced to watch the Michael Bay films that way.

So when Unicron died, his influence (and particles) was still in Galvatron. Which was later revealed when Cyclonus tried getting his insanity corrected and the planet could not - Unicron, and not the lava bath had influence on his mentality. This was also later proven to be a possibility when (in Headmasters) Galvatron announced his plans to become the next "Unicron" (per say). Which means that up to his death, Unicron still had an influence on him.

And if any... The heat from the lava might have damaged some of the particles that allowed Unicron to have a greater grasp on Galvatron. (And yes,I watched the third season's episodes nearly religiously as both a kid and an adult.)

As for Galvatron II... His madness was due to him facing an "Endless 8" and being aware that he would not escape anytime soon. Which now makes me wonder how Itsuki, Kyon, and Mikuru handled theirs as they faced theirs 15,532 times. But I digress, as that can make anybody go mad, especially if they wanted to enjoy their victory.

Sabrblade wrote:And Dark Nove didn't merge with Super Megatron into Ultra Megatron. He upgraded Super into Ultra, and then merged with Ultra to become Hoshi no Kyojin, the Star Giant.

Ahhh... Okay. That makes more sense. I try avoiding Destron media, as well as that questionable (at best) series. Heck, if you had seen my collection, and the way it is now set up, I have two pieces taking up 2010... Three (hopefully four, if MP-15 is Magnus) be tied into Headmasters. The rest is Alternity, Henkei!, and Arms Microns.

So when it comes to this, I have to rely on a friend's translated works. Namely because I am wondering if or when people at TFwiki will realize that Jazz's ranking is Lieutenant Commander, and not Lieutenant/Sub-Commander.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I need to slightly correct you there. In the movie, we do not see the state of Galvatron's mentality after the death of Unicron. However, what we do see is him being placed on a very tight mental leash... Which means that whenever Galvatron resisted, he received a very bad form of mental torture.

I am assuming that he was forced to watch the Michael Bay films that way.

So when Unicron died, his influence (and particles) was still in Galvatron. Which was later revealed when Cyclonus tried getting his insanity corrected and the planet could not - Unicron, and not the lava bath had influence on his mentality. This was also later proven to be a possibility when (in Headmasters) Galvatron announced his plans to become the next "Unicron" (per say). Which means that up to his death, Unicron still had an influence on him.

And if any... The heat from the lava might have damaged some of the particles that allowed Unicron to have a greater grasp on Galvatron. (And yes,I watched the third season's episodes nearly religiously as both a kid and an adult.)

In the movie, Galvatron acts exactly as he did when he was Megatron, only differences being his new voice (Leonard Nimoy instead of Frank Welker) and his new, more powerful body. He's as calm-minded and tactical-thinking as he was when he was Megatron.

When he is pulled from the lava pit on Thrull, however, he gains another new voice (this time by Frank Welker, but still different from his Megatron voice) and he lashes out at his own troops in violent, blinded fury and maniacal laughter. We even see indicative sparks coming from his forehead at one point, showing that his mind has been damaged by the lava.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:As for Galvatron II... His madness was due to him facing an "Endless 8" and being aware that he would not escape anytime soon. Which now makes me wonder how Itsuki, Kyon, and Mikuru handled theirs as they faced theirs 15,532 times. But I digress, as that can make anybody go mad, especially if they wanted to enjoy their victory.

I'm not amused.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Ahhh... Okay. That makes more sense. I try avoiding Destron media, as well as that questionable (at best) series.

What's wrong with Return of Convoy?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:So when it comes to this, I have to rely on a friend's translated works. Namely because I am wondering if or when people at TFwiki will realize that Jazz's ranking is Lieutenant Commander, and not Lieutenant/Sub-Commander.

He's held both ranks. His Japanese bio rank is Lieutenant, and his rank in The Ultimate Guide is Sub-commander. Since TFWiki covers everything, it lists both.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:As for Galvatron II... His madness was due to him facing an "Endless 8" and being aware that he would not escape anytime soon. Which now makes me wonder how Itsuki, Kyon, and Mikuru handled theirs as they faced theirs 15,532 times. But I digress, as that can make anybody go mad, especially if they wanted to enjoy their victory.

Simple - they didn't remember each morning. And Yuki did, which is why you have the events in the movie.

As for the topic, I'm leaning towards Ultra Magnus myself.

Ummm... Sabrblade? Do you remember how the others asked you stop trying to be right and start listening to those who are equally knowledgeable of a series or event? This is one of those moments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzM1vBp_z6E

I have seen the movie 5 times in 3 days, so the events and differences are still fresh. And what season 3, episode 16 has stated is what I am trying to say: His insanity is the result of Unicron, not the result of plasma. (Because if the plasma had the capabilities of damaging him, he would also not be able to do anything when it comes to the upper-half of his body.)

So with that said, can we please just stick with things that don't have you trying to be right?

And as to answer your question about "Battlestars"... How shall I explain this?

"Return of Convoy" was an uninspiring toyline, and I have to wonder if the storyline (not the manga) was meant for a different series. Plus, they did not even bother making it be better than Victory or even Zone... Which might as well have been the last series, even though Operation Combination was a far better series.

dum dee dum dum

datguy86 wrote:Simple - they didn't remember each morning. And Yuki did, which is why you have the events in the movie.

As for the topic, I'm leaning towards Ultra Magnus myself.

I should have remembered that. Thanks for the reminder, and know that a representative at KyoAni had told me that the movie was it for their part of the franchise.

Oh... And topic at hand... I am so hoping this is Ultra Magnus, and that it comes out before I have to surrender my money for my 2013 trip.

Would you two like a room?

Va'al wrote:Would you two like a room?

Va'als polite way of saying "Please get back on topic before that big mean Mod Burn comes in and rouses on us! He scares me!"

Aww. These learned fellas swinging their junk in the wind is probably the most inspiring thing about this topic.

In terms of the identy of the mystery figure, I'm going for plain old honkimus Prime (AKA Magnus in his underpants)

Va'al wrote:Would you two like a room?

Burn wrote:Va'als polite way of saying "Please get back on topic before that big mean Mod Burn comes in and rouses on us! He scares me!"

Banjo-Tron wrote:Aww. These learned fellas swinging their junk in the wind is probably the most inspiring thing about this topic.

In terms of the identy of the mystery figure, I'm going for plain old honkimus Prime (AKA Magnus in his underpants)

Ummm... Yeah... Thanks for making me feel ridiculed and villainous, you guys. It was not bad enough that this old Aspergers-Anxiety hybrid had to face that once again (as I am not sure which version of him I will get), but being told as if it is the conversation I wanted makes me feel oh so welcome here.

Think about it. Because I am 36 years old, have been a fan of Transformers for an estimated 28 years. And despite that, as well as everything else nobody knows about me (such as why I am so dedicated to Takara Tomy's line, why it has taken me this long to figure out what I want to collect, etc.)... I get lumped into something that I never asked for, and has me wonder if it a hint that I made the mistake or rejoining this site.

And that is all I am going to say, as that is how I feel right now.

Oh... And FYI, as I said before: I am hoping it is Ultra Magnus. If you asked me a week before, I would say it is because he has a Commander status. But now, it is because he actually contributed to the Headmasters series by doing more than defend Cybertron in two episodes. (Sorry Grimlock!)

Burn wrote:

Va'al wrote:Would you two like a room?

Va'als polite way of saying "Please get back on topic before that big mean Mod Burn comes in and rouses on us! He scares me!"

I read that as 'arouses'. Freudian slip?

In any case, I don't really but Masterpieces, but could give in if it is a Magnus with Armour/Trailer.