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fromwednesday747 wrote:All i'm saying is that if compromises have to be made, i'd much rather they be made to the alt mode, not the bot mode.

I agree I'd much rather have more accuracy in the bot mode than alt mode. Having a bigger grip and a smaller cannon is ok because he's already going to be a very large gun anyway. A 12" bot into a Walther P-38 is going to be larger than the actual gun and a Walther is a small gun to begin with

I’m just the opposite. The alternate mode is more imortant since that is the disguise. The robot mode must convincingly look like it can transform into the apparopriate alt mode. It has to make those compromises. Yes, for a toy, the alt mode does need to make some sacrifices, but they should be kept to a minimum—mirrors and side windows missing to accombidate the transformation mechanisms for example.

For Megatron, the thin profile of his legs, and the huge arm cannon are compromises for a more accurate gun mode, which is as it should be.

Rest assured, the quality and stability will be there.

well, i'm ok with agreeing to disagree

Tramp wrote:I’m just the opposite. The alternate mode is more imortant since that is the disguise. The robot mode must convincingly look like it can transform into the apparopriate alt mode. It has to make those compromises. Yes, for a toy, the alt mode does need to make some sacrifices, but they should be kept to a minimum—mirrors and side windows missing to accombidate the transformation mechanisms for example.

For Megatron, the thin profile of his legs, and the huge arm cannon are compromises for a more accurate gun mode, which is as it should be.

Rest assured, the quality and stability will be there.

Thing is he's already inaccurate jsut based on scale. If hte bot mode is 12 inches tall then the gun mode will most likley be almost twice the size of the original. Which would put it at about 125 percent the size of the real gun. And I jsut don't see the stability unless those legs get some bulk. He's gonna end up like Starscream unable to stand on his own unless he's in the exact right pose. Otherwise he'll be stuff on a display stand. Regardless of if he is an adult collectable, i still want to be able to "play" with and pose my figure. And the one in that picture doesn't look capable.

tentagil wrote:

Tramp wrote:I’m just the opposite. The alternate mode is more imortant since that is the disguise. The robot mode must convincingly look like it can transform into the apparopriate alt mode. It has to make those compromises. Yes, for a toy, the alt mode does need to make some sacrifices, but they should be kept to a minimum—mirrors and side windows missing to accombidate the transformation mechanisms for example.

For Megatron, the thin profile of his legs, and the huge arm cannon are compromises for a more accurate gun mode, which is as it should be.

Rest assured, the quality and stability will be there.

Thing is he's already inaccurate jsut based on scale. If hte bot mode is 12 inches tall then the gun mode will most likley be almost twice the size of the original. Which would put it at about 125 percent the size of the real gun. And I jsut don't see the stability unless those legs get some bulk. He's gonna end up like Starscream unable to stand on his own unless he's in the exact right pose. Otherwise he'll be stuff on a display stand. Regardless of if he is an adult collectable, i still want to be able to "play" with and pose my figure. And the one in that picture doesn't look capable.

It looks plenty capable to me.
As for the size, so what? As long as the proper proportions and design accuracy of the gun mode is there, it doesn’t matter that it is scaled up a bit. The size isn’t important, the proportions are. An overly thick handgrip would look ridiculous on any size gun; and that is what would happen if they thickened up the legs. And, given the length of his feet from heel to toe, he should be plenty stable unless you tried to stand him on one foot, and I don’t know of any TFs that can stand on one foot without falling over. Even scaled up 125%, the gun mode should still look like a Walther P-38, not a deformed one. Just because it is bigger than the real thing does not meant they shouldn’t try to make the gun mode look as close to the real thing as possible, then figure out how to transform it into a decent looking robot. This is what they did, and they did a damn good job of it IMO.

Look at that bot mod though! Damn, if you want a realistic looking walther, you can certainly obtain one. I realize that i don't speak for everyone, but i think most people would like a much better looking Megatron than that. Like i said before, that toy really looks not much better to me than the original. Screw the handle looking too big or the scope being too small, it would improve whats more important to most transfans. I doubt many people are going to be like "damn, what a convincing walther p-38 that toy is, i think i'll drop $100 on it". i think where we really differ is that paying that much for a "decent" robot isn't my idea of money well spent. I will, however, pay that much for the what the "Masterpiece" title would imply is the definitive version of a character i grew up with. That prototype isn't it.

fromwednesday747 wrote:Look at that bot mod though! Damn, if you want a realistic looking walther, you can certainly obtain one. I realize that i don't speak for everyone, but i think most people would like a much better looking Megatron than that. Like i said before, that toy really looks not much better to me than the original. Screw the handle looking too big or the scope being too small, it would improve whats more important to most transfans. I doubt many people are going to be like "damn, what a convincing walther p-38 that toy is, i think i'll drop $100 on it". i think where we really differ is that paying that much for a "decent" robot isn't my idea of money well spent. I will, however, pay that much for the what the "Masterpiece" title would imply is the definitive version of a character i grew up with. That prototype isn't it.

I disagree 100%. That is perhaps one of the best Megatron models, in robot mode, I have seen to date. The very fact that they were able to make a very accurate looking, though scaled up, Walther P-38, and create a robot mode that close to the cartoon character, along with making it fully articulated is laudable. I find absolutely no fault in that model what so ever. You are not going to get a 100% cartoon accurate robot mode, and still have it transform, without the alt mode looking totally ridiculous, and that wouldn’t be an improvement. This is the difinitive G1 Megatron.

HA. That is far from looking like any version of g1 Megatron except the toy, unless thats what they're going for. I think its ridiculous to say that thats the definitive version of Megatron. To me, thats just the definitive version of what a walther would look like if it changed into a robot. Obviously we're not going to get a perfect bot and a bot alt., but i just don't understand why you would prefer the gun to look better than the mech, seeing as how first and formost, transformers are robots whose alternate modes are a secondary function. I mean... we already have a Megatron that turns into a convincing walther. How bout this time we get a convincing Megatron.

Tramp wrote:I disagree 100%. That is perhaps one of the best Megatron models, in robot mode, I have seen to date. The very fact that they were able to make a very accurate looking, though scaled up, Walther P-38, and create a robot mode that close to the cartoon character, along with making it fully articulated is laudable. I find absolutely no fault in that model what so ever. You are not going to get a 100% cartoon accurate robot mode, and still have it transform, without the alt mode looking totally ridiculous, and that wouldn’t be an improvement. This is the difinitive G1 Megatron.

First have we actually seen pics of the alt mode yet, as far as I know the only pics are of him in bot mode. So we have no idea if they pulled off a convincing Walther P-38 or not. What we have seen is the Bot mode. And though I do agree that its an impressive piece of engineering and design, I jsut don't think the bot mode looks as good as it could, and unless that cannon is incredibly light I don't see it being able to hold it up. Those arms being as thin as they are may have ratcheted joints, but I still don't see them being strong enough, but time will tell on that. I just don't think he's in very good proportion over all. Perhaps after we get more pictures in more poses and see the alt mode I'll change my mind, but for now this figure really isn't as incredible as I think a masterpiece figure should be.

IMO id be happy with it but the elbows are a bit thin, then again how much did starscream change from first prototype to final release, and the first pictures we saw of him were official too,

if you want a cartoon accurate megatron i cant see it being possable, since they probably drew him slight differant every time
these are just random pictures and you can see changes from hit head shape to having elbow or not
http://www.unicron.us/tf1984/toypix/megatron.htm

as far as i see the MP line they are just highly detailed upgraded toys, it is the definitive version of Megatron,,,, well nearly
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a199/ ... CF1510.jpg