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Transcendent30 wrote:I believe 3H Comics had the backing of Hasbro, which trumps Takara's United material when it comes to canon, so Bombshell's old body became Cyclonus 100% of definite.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa, back up there, man. Whether it's Hasbro or Takara, anything officially released under the license of either is canon. There's no "one company trumps another" in such a case as this. All officially licensed fiction is canon in some form.

Transcendent30 wrote:I just re-watched the movie, nope Prowl and Ratchet do not turn grey when they die, but they must have gone grey off camera.

Ratchet:



Prowl:




While neither fade nearly as dark as Optimus or Starscream do, both fade to a darker tone than normal. Ratchet's red hands go dark and Prowl's white gets duller while his reds also darken as well.

Transcendent30 wrote:As for Binialtech fiction, well that is no longer in continuity with the cartoon anyway, as it branched off into its own universe.

In the specific Binaltech story that says Cartoon Wheeljack died in the movie, Binaltech Wheeljack looks from his timeline through portal into the timeline of the movie's events and acknowledges his cartoon self as being dead.

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:well they are 2 different continuities

again, a different continuity

I know I know. But the OP seems to like blending English and Japanese continuities together, so I was going along with his thinking until the right moment to drop the "different languages = different continuities" bomb.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sto once posted pics here of fallen Prowl and Ratchet with their colors muted on the shuttle.

good memory bud

And I finally found the old topic where you posted them (though, a LOT of them seemed to have been deleted, so I made do with what I could find).

Sabrblade wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:well they are 2 different continuities

again, a different continuity

I know I know. But the OP seems to like blending English hand Japanese continuities together, so I was going along with his thinking until the right moment to drop the "different languages = different continuities" bomb.

ahh, didnt know that.

Sabrblade wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sto once posted pics here of fallen Prowl and Ratchet with their colors muted on the shuttle.

good memory bud

And I finally found the old topic where you posted them (though, a LOT of them seemed to have been deleted, so I made do with what I could find).

I see.Not exactly deleated, but moved to new folders.
I'll post them all right now for all gto see.

Prowl standing to fight, full color,his white areas are very bright and pay close attention to the horns on his head....see they are RED


he is shot...horns still red, whites still bright


skip ahead to his falling.........whites are dull other areas are muted.





close ups begin....watch the horns fade to gray while the bright white dulls, even his face color darkens











Here we see Ratchet standing.Main body white, RED HANDS


heres a close up of his hands


falling to ground


now we skip a head to when Megatron pass's the bodies of Ironhide and Ratchet on the ground

look at Ratch's hand and arm, duller white, and a gray/black hand.Ironhide still fully red and still alive as we all know ...for at least a few seconds.

Ah, I see the fading to grey now, that all happened very fast! Anyway 3h Wreckers comic is in continuity with the G1 cartoon, is the Takara United stuff? United fiction is probably its own universe branch like the Classics fiction. Cyclonus may be Skywarp......in the United universe only.

Great. Now I can't get my mind off the first greatest carnage of beloved and iconic characters.

It's not such a bad thing. It's just a sad scene.
Brawn, Prowl, Ratchet, Ironhide...

Red 50 wrote:It's not such a bad thing. It's just a sad scene.
Brawn, Prowl, Ratchet, Ironhide...

Let me fix that for you.

Red 50 wrote:It's not such a bad thing. It's just the best scene ever.
Brawn, Prowl, Ratchet, Ironhide.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sinnertwin wrote:

Transcendent30 wrote:Thanks for reading my fanon explaination . I have officially fixed the movie!...well that bit of it.

Next question: Why does Optimus fade to black, unlike all the other dead Autobots we see?

excuse me..................but you need to rewatch the film.

All the,in narrative, "confirmed dead" autobots, except Ironhide and Huffer, faded to gray.

And for the record, the "in narrative" confirmed dead are

Ratchet....,,,,faded color
Prowl..........faded color
Optimus Prime..faded color
Ironhide.......we never saw his body after death
Huffer.........died off screan
and we never saw Ironhide after he died.

Thanks for the Prowl etc clarification.
Speaking of narrative, is there more info about it? I ask out of curiosity, because as you know, both Wheeljack and Windcharger are laying there, holes in their chassis, the lights in their eyes faded, Arcee reacting as if they were dead, yet they still appear to maintain their respective color schemes. For all intents and purposes they appear dead, yet this narrative doesn't list them that way, is there a particular reason that you know of?

Transcendent30 wrote:Ah, I see the fading to grey now, that all happened very fast! Anyway 3h Wreckers comic is in continuity with the G1 cartoon, is the Takara United stuff? United fiction is probably its own universe branch like the Classics fiction. Cyclonus may be Skywarp......in the United universe only.

The "Macrocosmic Seekers" story and the United EX stories are the only pieces of United fiction that are in the cartoon continuity. Any other United fiction is a separate continuity.

Though, the 3H Beast Era comics (which includes The Wreckers) are all in one continuity together, but it's one that's only in continuity with the Beast Wars/Machines cartoons since it is a mixture of elements taken from both the G1 cartoon and the G1 Marvel Comics, favoring neither one over the other. Therefore, the 3H Beast Era isn't entirely in the same continuity as the G1 cartoon since its Marvel Comic aspects contradict the G1 cartoon.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Red 50 wrote:It's not such a bad thing. It's just a sad scene.
Brawn, Prowl, Ratchet, Ironhide...

Let me fix that for you.

Red 50 wrote:It's not such a bad thing. It's just the best scene ever.
Brawn, Prowl, Ratchet, Ironhide.

Anyone know where Kremzeek's hangin' out? I'd like to arrange him a visit...

Sinnertwin wrote:Thanks for the Prowl etc clarification.
Speaking of narrative, is there more info about it? I ask out of curiosity, because as you know, both Wheeljack and Windcharger are laying there, holes in their chassis, the lights in their eyes faded, Arcee reacting as if they were dead, yet they still appear to maintain their respective color schemes. For all intents and purposes they appear dead, yet this narrative doesn't list them that way, is there a particular reason that you know of?

What I meanb when I say "the in narrative confirmed dead" is abny of the characters that were confirmed dead in dialog either in the film or season 3.

Wheeljack and Windcharger, even Brawn, were never confirmed as being among the dead in any dialog from the film or season 3.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sinnertwin wrote:Thanks for the Prowl etc clarification.
Speaking of narrative, is there more info about it? I ask out of curiosity, because as you know, both Wheeljack and Windcharger are laying there, holes in their chassis, the lights in their eyes faded, Arcee reacting as if they were dead, yet they still appear to maintain their respective color schemes. For all intents and purposes they appear dead, yet this narrative doesn't list them that way, is there a particular reason that you know of?

What I meanb when I say "the in narrative confirmed dead" is abny of the characters that were confirmed dead in dialog either in the film or season 3.

Wheeljack and Windcharger, even Brawn, were never confirmed as being among the dead in any dialog from the film or season 3.

All narrative, comics, fanon aside, when you watched the movie, did you think that they were dead?