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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby Sinnertwin » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:35 pm

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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby Transcendent30 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:51 pm

I couldn't agree more. Most Transformers seem to have mini interdimemsional teleporters as well, to summon weapons out of thin air.
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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby Yweggo » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:15 pm

Also if you go with the PC removal(and rebuliding) Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the bugs could have been killed when Unicron attacked Cybertron, thus "why" they don't appear in Session 3, right?
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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby Transcendent30 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:47 pm

Not quite. In my hypothesis, Thundercracker became Scourge and Skywarp became the Armada. Who knows when Skywarp would have been rebuilt under Galvatron's orders but we don't see either of them again after the movie. We do see the Insecticons in season 3 however (Five faces of Death). These must have been rebuilt using their recovered PCs.
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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:10 pm

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It's no secret that the 3H Wreckers comic does explicitly state that Bombshell became Cyclonus and Skywarp his Armada.

BUT, the United "Macrocosmic Seekers" story explicitly states the opposite, with Skywarp being the one who became Cyclonus. :P

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Transcendent30 wrote:Thanks for reading my fanon explaination :D . I have officially fixed the movie!...well that bit of it.


Next question: Why does Optimus fade to black, unlike all the other dead Autobots we see?
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The binaltech fiction confirmed that Wheeljack is deadity deadity dead in that pic. :P

Sinnertwin wrote:KO'd :lol: The Japanese market didn't see the movie until 1989, so all the characters featured in the pre-movie seasons were still active, so to speak. I'd put that one down to continuity between the two markets than anything else
Transcendent30 wrote:Yeah, this is well known, but in order for continuity to work overall....none of them died.
Though the Japanese didn't get the movie until 1989, they were still very much aware of its events since the entire point of much the 1986 TV Magazine story pages were dedicated to summarizing the "Unicron War" and getting Japanese viewers caught up on its events.

And the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening" still had Daniel acknowledge Ironhide, Prowl, Ratchet, and Huffer as all being dead (despite some of them appearing in The Headmasters a year later).
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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:50 pm

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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby Transcendent30 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:10 am

I believe 3H Comics had the backing of Hasbro, which trumps Takara's United material when it comes to canon, so Bombshell's old body became Cyclonus 100% of definite.

Ok I forgot about Dark Awakening, The Autobot Mausoleum definitely has Ironhide, Ratchet, Prowl, Huffer, and Optimus Prime all dead and entombed in it.

I just re-watched the movie, nope Prowl and Ratchet do not turn grey when they die, but they must have gone grey off camera.

Wheeljack may have been dead as well, as the others seem to have been. The fact we see him and Prowl in later cartoon storylines is probably due to them being rebuilt using existing blue prints (as with the Insecticons), and then given a different (or maybe their original) spark, through the power of Vector Sigma.

As for Binialtech fiction, well that is no longer in continuity with the cartoon anyway, as it branched off into its own universe.
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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:55 pm

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Transcendent30 wrote:Thanks for reading my fanon explaination :D . I have officially fixed the movie!...well that bit of it.


Next question: Why does Optimus fade to black, unlike all the other dead Autobots we see?

excuse me..................but you need to rewatch the film.

All the,in narrative, "confirmed dead" autobots, except Ironhide and Huffer, faded to gray.

And for the record, the "in narrative" confirmed dead are

Ratchet....,,,,faded color
Prowl..........faded color
Optimus Prime..faded color
Ironhide.......we never saw his body after death
Huffer.........died off screan
and we never saw Ironhide after he died.
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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:00 pm

Motto: "Today is a good day to die......but the day is not yet over!"
Sabrblade wrote:It's no secret that the 3H Wreckers comic does explicitly state that Bombshell became Cyclonus and Skywarp his Armada.

BUT, the United "Macrocosmic Seekers" story explicitly states the opposite, with Skywarp being the one who became Cyclonus. :P


well they are 2 different continuities

Sto once posted pics here of fallen Prowl and Ratchet with their colors muted on the shuttle.


good memory bud :APPLAUSE:

The binaltech fiction confirmed that Wheeljack is deadity deadity dead in that pic.

again, a different continuity
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Re: My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:04 pm

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Transcendent30 wrote:I just re-watched the movie, nope Prowl and Ratchet do not turn grey when they die, but they must have gone grey off camera.


Sorry buddy, but you were not paying close attention.

Prowl faded in color in the close up shots of his face.

Ratch's faded hand can be seen when Megatron walks by his budy....no less while Ironhide is fully colored.
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