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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Sun May 13, 2012 9:10 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:And Danica got lapped so early. :lol: Yeah, she's awesome.

Then YOU get in her car for a few races and show her how to drive. If you do any better, I'll shut up. I don't think Tony Stewart would just hire a random guy off the street though...

By the way, she's doing decently in the Nationwide Series. She finished 12th on Friday in her first try at Darlington. Plus, she led laps and pushed other cars to the front at Talladega. Obviously she isn't afraid of tough tracks like she was two years ago. She thought anyone who dared to nudge or bump her should get penalized. :lol:
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon May 14, 2012 6:13 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:And Danica got lapped so early. :lol: Yeah, she's awesome.

Then YOU get in her car for a few races and show her how to drive. If you do any better, I'll shut up. I don't think Tony Stewart would just hire a random guy off the street though...


I wish. I'm not saying she's bad, I'm saying she's not good enough. But she will be over time. Tony isn't dumb.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Mon May 14, 2012 7:23 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I wish. I'm not saying she's bad, I'm saying she's not good enough. But she will be over time. Tony isn't dumb.

You're right. He's definitely not stupid. He's not going to turn down the most popular female auto racing driver in the world. That's too much money to be made. Plus, I'm sure a certain car owner who isn't allowed a fifth team helped out in getting that new Cup team off the ground. Danica races for him in Nationwide and Stewart-Haas uses his engines. Hmm...
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon May 14, 2012 8:38 pm

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Yeah, I'm sick of Hendrick and his teams. To bad 3 of his 4 drivers are talented and he's loaded. The only time I tolerated him was when Mark Martin drove for him.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Tue May 15, 2012 9:21 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, I'm sick of Hendrick and his teams. To bad 3 of his 4 drivers are talented and he's loaded. The only time I tolerated him was when Mark Martin drove for him.

My problem with all the money he has is that the LEAST talented one (assuming you mean Dale) is making at least half of the entire team's money just for getting in the race car. And I was excited when he made his announcement in '07, but that was short-lived. They should have gotten rid of Casey Mears instead of Kyle Busch if they HAD to hire Jr. I'm not sure if hiring Joonyer was Hendrick's best or worst decision he ever made. Money-wise, he's lucky he got him to sign a contract. Talent-wise, he let go of NASCAR's best young superstar.
Currently, I really only like 2 of his drivers: Jeff and Kasey. The other two don't even seem to give a s*** about team cooperation anymore.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed May 16, 2012 3:27 pm

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Yeah, I meant Dale. And you're right, he's become Hendrick's golden goose, as if he needed one. I don't even mind Dale himself, he's a nice enough guy. But his fans (mostly his father's before him) need to stop seeing Senior in him, because he'll never be half the driver his father was. They need to admit this fact and move on.

I used to hate Gordon, but this hate has transferred to Johnson. And I liked Jeff's '09 Megatron car. I wish I could get a 1:24 die cast of it, but I don't think they made one.

And yeah, if Hendrick kept Kyle and added Kahne, he would have an awesome lineup. I love Gibbs, but Hendrick's equipment is just a bit better. But Kyle is a more talented driver than Johnson or Jr. ever were. He and Gordon would own HMS if they teamed up on the track, Jeff might even have 2 or 3 of Jimmie's titles, putting him up there with Senior, and no doubt Kyle would have at least 1 by now.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Thu May 17, 2012 6:44 pm

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EXACTLY! Everyone has these irrational expectations of Jr just because he's DALE EARNHARDT Jr. One of these days they're going to have to realize that Jr isn't his father. No one will ever be Dale Sr.

Speaking of Dale Sr, I've been watching some of the IROC races he was in. I forgot how much fun he was to watch. IROC was a cool series though. I wish it hadn't gone under, because it basically had restrictor plate style races on a lot of the tracks. I think the absence of Dale and some of the retiring veterans lowered fan interest in the series, but I wish someone would try to bring it back.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Sun May 20, 2012 8:03 pm

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What a dumb all-star race. That mandatory "pit stop" and putting the segment leaders at the front was a dumb idea. It basically guaranteed them to finish in the top 3. They should just go back to giving the segment leaders a sizable prize. The all-star race used to be a 'give it all you got every lap' shootout. I'm not going to say that the cruising around strategy was unfair- it didn't violate the rules. But it's not fair for the other 21 because they lose their chances of winning for every segment they don't lead the final lap of. Whoever leads the first segment has the advantage because he only needs to really race for that one segment, then he can back off until he gets first place back and easily win the race, and the leader of segment 2 will get second because he used his car more than the segment 1 leader but less than segment 3, and the same situation with the segment 3 leader. Everyone else is basically screwed because their cars are fried in comparison.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Sun May 27, 2012 9:15 pm

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OptiMagnus wrote:200. 'Nuff said.


Took them long enough...

And they're already at 201.
I enjoyed the 600 though. I'm glad Kasey got his 3rd. Not too many guys can say they've won 3 600s.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun May 27, 2012 11:56 pm

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Took them long enough...

And they're already at 201.
I enjoyed the 600 though. I'm glad Kasey got his 3rd. Not too many guys can say they've won 3 600s.


Yeah, it's my favorite race after the 500 and Bristol. And I like Kasey even though he's with HMS. At least Johnson didn't win. I wonder if the gas man got fired yet. :lol:
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Mon May 28, 2012 5:30 pm

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OptiMagnus wrote:200. 'Nuff said.


Took them long enough...

And they're already at 201.
I enjoyed the 600 though. I'm glad Kasey got his 3rd. Not too many guys can say they've won 3 600s.


Yeah, it's my favorite race after the 500 and Bristol. And I like Kasey even though he's with HMS. At least Johnson didn't win. I wonder if the gas man got fired yet. :lol:

Well, he and Gordon's gas man both need to step it up. Granted, the jack man supposedly has the duty of waiting for the gas can to come out, but it think the gas man should just pull the can out if the car drops. They always try to keep it in for those last few seconds. I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes in the race though.

On another note, I'm actually planning my second trip to Charlotte, NC this summer. I'm going to visit the University of NC in Charlotte as one of my college options. It's actually not too far from the speedway. I'm probably going to visit some of the race shops again and take another tour of the speedway. There's so much fun stuff to do.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

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:lol: That is great! It might be a good idea though...
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:50 pm

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Imagine how much fun it would be? It would be real life Death Race! They would have to repave every track after every race though...
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:53 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Imagine how much fun it would be? It would be real life Death Race! They would have to repave every track after every race though...

Rivalries might end rather abruptly also...
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:18 pm

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Wow, what a finish. I'm usually not 1 for road races, but this 1 had a hell of an ending. I'm just glad that idiot Keselowski didn't win. I like Marcos Ambrose, glad he made it 2 in a row. Keselowski, what a ******. Kyle dominated and should have had the win. I hope NASCAR does something about Keselowski, especially since he even said he would do something after the Nationwide race yesterday. He wrecked Kyle on purpose. He could have backed off, doesn't matter what he says. I wonder if the suits are going to punish him or just let him get away with it. Also, I feel bad for Tony Stewart, he was tearing up the track before that spin. :lol: @ Joonyer. Loser.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:42 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow, what a finish. I'm usually not 1 for road races, but this 1 had a hell of an ending. I'm just glad that idiot Keselowski didn't win. I like Marcos Ambrose, glad he made it 2 in a row. Keselowski, what a ******. Kyle dominated and should have had the win. I hope NASCAR does something about Keselowski, especially since he even said he would do something after the Nationwide race yesterday. He wrecked Kyle on purpose. He could have backed off, doesn't matter what he says. I wonder if the suits are going to punish him or just let him get away with it. Also, I feel bad for Tony Stewart, he was tearing up the track before that spin. :lol: @ Joonyer. Loser.

That was one of the best finishes I've ever seen in NASCAR. I love when road races end like that, because it makes open wheel series seem even more boring.
And I have no sympathy for Kyle Busch. His bad luck is only a product of his actions last year. I'm sure he'll rebound next year though.
I think Keselowski was aggressive but didn't wreck Kyle on purpose. They both went for the same space at the same time, and Brad wasn't just going to slam on the brakes to let Kyle move up in front of him, especially with Marcos Ambrose breathing down his neck already. Brad does, however, need to watch his attitude. I will commend him for being a good sport after the race though.
And I feel really bad for both Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon. Their whole race changed in a matter of seconds. And yes, Dale Jr has found yet another reason to give his own fans less credibility. He did admit he made a mistake, though.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:32 am

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OptiMagnus wrote:That was one of the best finishes I've ever seen in NASCAR. I love when road races end like that, because it makes open wheel series seem even more boring.


Let me rephrase what i said earlier: I don't like Sonoma, I like Watkins Glen. Sonoma is boring.

And I have no sympathy for Kyle Busch. His bad luck is only a product of his actions last year. I'm sure he'll rebound next year though.


And what was so bad last year? That he didn't take **** from that little **** Harvick?

I think Keselowski was aggressive but didn't wreck Kyle on purpose. They both went for the same space at the same time, and Brad wasn't just going to slam on the brakes to let Kyle move up in front of him, especially with Marcos Ambrose breathing down his neck already.


Were we watching the same race? Kyle started fishtailing due to the oil on the track (which, contrary to what Kes said post-race, did not come from Kyle, it came from Jason Leffler earlier in the race, and should have been cleaned up by NASCAR) and Kes moved right in, sticking the nose of the car to the back quarter panel of Kyle's car. What was gonna happen? Of course he was going to spin out. I'm not saying he should have let Kyle go, but wait until he straightens out and race him clean. But Keselowski didn't do that, because he can't. Kyle would have beat him, so he had to cheat.

I will commend him for being a good sport after the race though.


And they were so ironic and hypocritical considering what he did to Kyle.

And I feel really bad for both Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon.


Yeah, Smoke had a monster to drive. He was tearing through the field until he spun out. Blame belongs in the same place it does (mostly) in Kyle's wreck. NASCAR. They didn't clean the track properly. Gordon? I don't feel that bad for him. He had a **** car to start with. I'm not saying I'm happy for his misfortune, but he didn't have it flipped upside on him like Tony did.

And yes, Dale Jr has found yet another reason to give his own fans less credibility. He did admit he made a mistake, though.


Yeah, and even though I love ragging on the guy as well as his fans, I will give him this: once again, the blame belongs on NASCAR. The track wasn't clean.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:47 am

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You Busch fans never seem to remember that Truck Series wreck at Texas, do you?

Anyway, I personally agree that NASCAR could have done something about the oil. ARCA will do a green-white-checkered after the white flag is shown so races never end under caution, so why can't NASCAR? Maybe I'm biased just because some of my favorite drivers complained about it, but you can only control the car so much on a sheet of oil. Yeah, maybe strategies would have been compromised, and maybe the finish wouldn't have been AS crazy as it was, but is NASCAR here to spoon feed teams by complying with their strategies? No. Everyone is responsible for finding their own adaptations to different circumstances. And if NASCAR is so concerned about safety, they might need a reality check. They're so concerned about lower ratings they'd rather let everyone spin out on the oil and possibly cause wrecks than throw out a caution and red flag the race then restart and risk one guy getting away with the lead.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

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OptiMagnus wrote:That was one of the best finishes I've ever seen in NASCAR. I love when road races end like that, because it makes open wheel series seem even more boring.
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Ok, so i have to ask..

What is the apeal of Nascar for you guys and why the hate for open wheel racing? I'm honestly curous to know what it is that many find apealing in this sport.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:17 pm

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5150 Cruiser wrote:What is the apeal of Nascar for you guys and why the hate for open wheel racing? I'm honestly curous to know what it is that many find apealing in this sport.


I can't answer in terms of stock cars vs. open wheel, because I never cared about open wheel. I don't hate it, I just never saw the appeal. The cars seem too flimsy and they're pretty much all the same. NASCAR stock cars, though near identical in construction, all look different and unique. It makes for a lot less bland visual experience. The other thing, which I also only see the NASCAR side of, are the drivers' personalities. NASCAR has some colorful and entertaining characters. Open wheel guys? Just like the cars, all look the same. (Not their faces, but their general appearance. I'm not judging, I just can't tell the difference between Helio Castroneves and Dario Franchitti other than 1 is Latino and 1 is Italian (right?))

Now, the appeal of NASCAR on its own. In my opinion, as a fan of 15 years, it can't be explained in 1 conversation, much less 1 sentence. Even when I started watching, at 1st I didn't get it. The key is to pay attention to all aspects of the race. On the surface, it looks like a bunch of rednecks driving around in a circle. Anyone who says and believes that is just plain ignorant. It takes a long time, perhaps even the course of an entire season (36 races) to understand all the things going on. The drivers themselves are actually a small part of the entire operation of a race team. Though they do the most crucial part on race day, that's all they do, besides maybe public and sponsor-related appearances. Racecars get built from scratch depending on the track style (of which are many) the race takes place on. You can't take a car to Bristol that you took to Talladega. (2 of my favorite racetracks, BTW) They each require emphasis on different parts of the car, pit strategy, and even driver psychology. The length of the races also depends on the style of racetrack. Talladega is an all-out, white knuckle Cannonball Run. Over 200 MPH the whole time. Imagine doing that for 4 hours straight. Bristol takes a much more different approach. You have to have really good braking techniques, because the track is so short, you will always be running into the car in front of you. it's all about maneuverability and the driver's reaction time. At Talladega, the track is so long, if you have a power advantage over the others, you can simply outrun them, and not have to worry about maneuverability around other cars. At Bristol this is impossible. And that's just 2 styles. There are many more. There are a lot of aspects to a single race, and the makeup of an entire season, as far as planning and adapting to unforeseen events, is even more complicated. As I said, the best way to understand is to see the inner workings from week to week, and listen to the drivers and the crew communicate to understand the finer points. It takes time, but once you appreciate the details, it makes the excitement well worth the time invested.

Having said that, I believe that individual races are too long, as well as the season. I think 30 races are enough for a season and to determine a champion, and I also think the "All-Star" race should be scrapped. It's a waste of time, as there are no points awarded. Also, I think the number of laps per race should be reduced to 75 or 80% of current distances, depending on distance. For example, a 500 mile race should only be 400, and a 400 should be 300.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby OptiMagnus » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:19 am

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- The reason open wheel doesn't appeal to a lot of NASCAR fans is because the cars are pretty much forbidden to touch each other in open wheel. Since they're so delicate they're easily damaged, and your day can be ended so easily if you or your opponent make a careless mistake. So instead you have a bunch of cars turning laps in single file. Stock cars, however, are built off a rigid tube frame chassis with a single-piece body placed over it. Since stock cars have fenders and the rigid roll cage construction, drivers can race in close quarters and get aggressive with each other and bump and nudge. They can also team up by "bump drafting," which is the practice of one car pushing another to gain an aerodynamic advantage. It takes a much bigger blow to end someone's day in a stock car. Instead of the body shattering like sports cars do, it only dents and crumples; sometimes rips with the right force. If the car hasn't suffered mechanical or chassis damage, the pit crew will just tape up the body or tape new body fragments on and the driver is on his way.

- Actually, you don't really outrun people at Talladega. If you're in the lead you're a sitting duck, and if you're in the middle somewhere you're in risk of getting caught in or starting a giant wreck, yet you're always in striking distance. At intermediate tracks you can outrun people with speed, which is the most typical type of racing, but Talladega is ANYONE's place to win, as well as Daytona. Even though Daytona and Talladega are huge tracks, the cars stay in a highly concentrated pack due to the mandated carburetor restrictor plate. The guy who's leading off the final turn doesn't always win. He doesn't always finish the race, either.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:43 am

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Yeah, I really dislike restrictor plate racing, I understand they're doing it for safety, but it still sux. And what I really meant about Talladega was that if you hook up with someone else in the bump drafting, you can clear the other cars and be out front, not always a sitting duck. That usually happens when you're by yourself at the front of the line in the last turn when everyone is planning on making a move. And personally, as long as there are no serious injuries to the drivers, I love watching The Big one happen. It's the reason I even watch that race...
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

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Rodimus and Optimagnus,

I've heard alot of people try and explain why they like Nascar and i have to say both of your answers have been the most throught out, detailed explanations i heard. Kudo's to both of you.
I've tried to watch myself on several occactions but its just not for me. I've been a fan of many forms of racing over the years and understand the technical aspect fairly well but its still not enough to draw me in. I do ahowever agree with alot of what has been said, but each his own i guess. BUt i do have a few things I'm not seeing..


Rodimus Prime wrote:I can't answer in terms of stock cars vs. open wheel, because I never cared about open wheel. I don't hate it, I just never saw the appeal. The cars seem too flimsy and they're pretty much all the same. NASCAR stock cars, though near identical in construction, all look different and unique. It makes for a lot less bland visual experience.


Really? I don't see how you can claim every open wheel car looks the same but each nascar has its own individual look. I guess i'm speaking more along the lines of F1 than cart or indy. F1 cars clearly have differentr wing planes and designs based on each teams interpatations of the rules. I just don't see how Nascar is any more unquie car to car than F1 or any other form of open wheel racing.


On the surface, it looks like a bunch of rednecks driving around in a circle. Anyone who says and believes that is just plain ignorant.


I agree that it more than just that. BUt i guess its just watching them going around in a circle that i have a hard time watching.




[quote/]It takes a long time, perhaps even the course of an entire season (36 races) to understand all the things going on. The drivers themselves are actually a small part of the entire operation of a race team. Though they do the most crucial part on race day, that's all they do, besides maybe public and sponsor-related appearances. Racecars get built from scratch depending on the track style (of which are many) the race takes place on. You can't take a car to Bristol that you took to Talladega. [/quote]

Oh i get whats going on. Everything you said about the drivers is true of any form of motorsports. Its a team effort for sure. Most cars in any form of professionsl motorsports gets torn down and completely rebuilt for each track. ANd if it rains and your on a dry setup, your screwed. That reminds me, does Nascar race in the rain? NOt being smart just honestly asking.
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Re: NASCAR 2012 Discussion Thread

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I can't answer in terms of stock cars vs. open wheel, because I never cared about open wheel. I don't hate it, I just never saw the appeal. The cars seem too flimsy and they're pretty much all the same. NASCAR stock cars, though near identical in construction, all look different and unique. It makes for a lot less bland visual experience.


Really? I don't see how you can claim every open wheel car looks the same but each nascar has its own individual look. I guess i'm speaking more along the lines of F1 than cart or indy. F1 cars clearly have differentr wing planes and designs based on each teams interpatations of the rules. I just don't see how Nascar is any more unquie car to car than F1 or any other form of open wheel racing.


OK, I wasn't clear or maybe I mixed the words a bit. I was referring to the outside of the car. NASCAR racecars are basically rolling billboards. As soon as you take a look at the hood or the style and color the numbers are painted on the sides and roof, you know exactly who's driving the car, who the owner is, and most likely their history during the season or even going back years. In construction, NASCAR gives the teams a template which they can use to build the cars, so all the cars are pretty much the same. The differences on race day come from a team's ability to adapt to changing race conditions and the driver's instincts during the race. I would think it's the same way in F1. If the completed car doesn't pass inspection before the race, it must be fixed and put at the end of the starting line. Then, as soon as the race is over, NASCAR officials immediately inspect the car again. If infractions are found, then penalties are heavily levied in terms of chempionship points for both the driver and owner as well as monetary fines, and possible suspensions for crew members. 1 thing they don't do, which I believe they should, is that if the winning car was found to be in violation, the team should be stripped of the win and it should be given to the runner up, provided that car met all the guidelines.

On the surface, it looks like a bunch of rednecks driving around in a circle. Anyone who says and believes that is just plain ignorant.


I agree that it more than just that. BUt i guess its just watching them going around in a circle that i have a hard time watching.


Well, as you said, to each his own. I won't try to force it on you or anything, you tried it, it didn't stick. Moving on. It's not for everyone. :)

It takes a long time, perhaps even the course of an entire season (36 races) to understand all the things going on. The drivers themselves are actually a small part of the entire operation of a race team. Though they do the most crucial part on race day, that's all they do, besides maybe public and sponsor-related appearances. Racecars get built from scratch depending on the track style (of which are many) the race takes place on. You can't take a car to Bristol that you took to Talladega.


Oh i get whats going on. Everything you said about the drivers is true of any form of motorsports. Its a team effort for sure. Most cars in any fom of professionsl motorsports gets torn down and completely rebuilt for each track. ANd if it rains and your on a dry setup, your screwed. That reminds me, does Nascar race in the rain? NOt being smart just honestly asking.


Well, they race through a light drizzle, but that's it. If it's anything heavier than that, they stop the race, pull the cars onto pit road and cover them, as well as the pit equipment. Then when the rain stops, the trucks with huge jet dryers behind them go out and dry the track. NASCAR pays very close attention to the weather, and if the rain comes down hard and they can't finish the race, 1 of 2 things will happen: if the race is past halfway point, it is called, and whoever is lucky and smart enough to be in the leader position is awarded the win. Or, if the race is less than halfway, they lock everything up and start again the next available day. usually it's the next day, but there have been 1 or 2 rare occasions where the rain and thunderstorm was so severe, they had to wait an extra 2 or even 3 days. But I think that only happened once or twice, and a long time ago.

When I lived in Europe, I used to watch Forma 1 racing, as that's what was televised there. I knew nothing of NASCAR or even IndyCar, they were an exclusive sport for America. I don't remember much, but I am familiar with the Andrettis and Nigel Mansell and the like. But I quit watching in the mid-90s when I moved to the United States, and a couple of years later familiarized myself with NASCAR. I didn't dive in head first, I watched a race here and there, and in 1998 I actually watched the entire season from start to finish. Imagine, my very first NASCAR race was the Daytona 500 won by Dale Sr. At the time, I didn't understand the significance. But I got to watch the Intimidator for 3 awesome years, and even though he was on the back end of his career anyway, and NASCAR began reigning in the driving style for which he was known, it was still great to watch a true driver do what he does best. That's 1 of the reasons why I like Kyle Busch so much, he reminds me of Dale Sr., the way he drives. Or used to, until NASCAR clamped down on him and a few others due to sponsor pressure. I'm nto saying Kyle is perfect, far from it, but he is a lot of fun to watch behind the wheel. That's why it pisses me off when he gets cheated out of hard-earned wins by punks like Keselowski and Harvick, who couldn't muster enough talent between them to match the talent in Kyle's pinkie finger.
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