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Actually, I think NASCAR Sprint Cup Cars all look exactly the same; big flat boxes with wheels. And they're supposed to, but the 2013 cars will definitely alleviate that. The Nationwide Series cars all look different until you get to the A-pillar, and the Trucks all look the same albeit the grille now. Yes, they each have manufacturer identity with decals and barely visible body lines on the hood unlike open-wheel cars, but since the early 90's they've all begun to look the same. I guess it's to equalize everything, but it doesn't really give manufacturers a fair chance to show off their products. I will say the 2011-12 car is an improvement from the '07-'10 car though. That thing was atrocious.

OptiMagnus wrote:Actually, I think NASCAR Sprint Cup Cars all look exactly the same; big flat boxes with wheels. And they're supposed to, but the 2013 cars will definitely alleviate that. The Nationwide Series cars all look different until you get to the A-pillar, and the Trucks all look the same albeit the grille now. Yes, they each have manufacturer identity with decals and barely visible body lines on the hood unlike open-wheel cars, but since the early 90's they've all begun to look the same. I guess it's to equalize everything, but it doesn't really give manufacturers a fair chance to show off their products. I will say the 2011-12 car is an improvement from the '07-'10 car though. That thing was atrocious.

That's the one thing that a hate about Nascar. They've strayed so much afar from where they started. Back in the 60's, Nascar truly represented there street counterparts. A charger was that. A charger. Not a tube chassis 2 door version with stickers as headlamps. They used the engines that actually were available in the street version. Manufacturers used to "bend the rules" and create a limited edition cars with motor and aerodynamic upgrades so there cars could pass as productions cars. Gave us some pretty trick rides. Until the new charger there wasn't even a rear wheel drive car from the manufacturers that nascar's were based on.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

OptiMagnus wrote:Actually, I think NASCAR Sprint Cup Cars all look exactly the same; big flat boxes with wheels. And they're supposed to, but the 2013 cars will definitely alleviate that. The Nationwide Series cars all look different until you get to the A-pillar, and the Trucks all look the same albeit the grille now. Yes, they each have manufacturer identity with decals and barely visible body lines on the hood unlike open-wheel cars, but since the early 90's they've all begun to look the same. I guess it's to equalize everything, but it doesn't really give manufacturers a fair chance to show off their products. I will say the 2011-12 car is an improvement from the '07-'10 car though. That thing was atrocious.

That's the one thing that a hate about Nascar. They've strayed so much afar from where they started. Back in the 60's, Nascar truly represented there street counterparts. A charger was that. A charger. Not a tube chassis 2 door version with stickers as headlamps. They used the engines that actually were available in the street version. Manufacturers used to "bend the rules" and create a limited edition cars with motor and aerodynamic upgrades so there cars could pass as productions cars. Gave us some pretty trick rides. Until the new charger there wasn't even a rear wheel drive car from the manufacturers that nascar's were based on.

There were also a lot more deaths back when they didn't use tube frame chassis, because they cars could basically just crumple up on impact. I'd rather have the cars stay the way they are than take away safety.

Its not about tube chassis. Its the fact that the cars back then represented an actual car. The charger was still a charger. Galaxy was still a Galaxy. Now the only simularites the race cars share with the street versions is the name. STreet version of the Impala is front drive V6 4 dor. Race version is rear drive V8 2 door. Same with the Toyota Camery, Dodge Intrepid, Ford Fusion etc.
It really wasn't about saftely that brought on the Tube chassis. BUt to make things an even playing field across the board. Yes, a tube chassis is safer than just the steel bodies and rol bars of yester years, but with today's technology with cage building and chassis work, you can sit is possible to attain a safe race car without a tube chassis.

5150 Cruiser wrote:Its not about tube chassis. Its the fact that the cars back then represented an actual car. The charger was still a charger. Galaxy was still a Galaxy. Now the only simularites the race cars share with the street versions is the name. STreet version of the Impala is front drive V6 4 dor. Race version is rear drive V8 2 door. Same with the Toyota Camery, Dodge Intrepid, Ford Fusion etc.
It really wasn't about saftely that brought on the Tube chassis. BUt to make things an even playing field across the board. Yes, a tube chassis is safer than just the steel bodies and rol bars of yester years, but with today's technology with cage building and chassis work, you can sit is possible to attain a safe race car without a tube chassis.

Most of those race cars without tube chassis don't go 200+ mph for over 100 laps.

And yes, the cars now aren't really the cars they represent. Back in the day manufacturers made cars specifically for certain racing series. Then the fuel crisis came along and manufacturers began to change their products into front wheel drive I4 and V6 family cars, because they couldn't turn profits off of rear wheel drive V8s, even more so with two doors because families preferred four doors. GM and Ford of course were dedicated to NASCAR and they used it to showcase their products. So, with the evolving demand of cars they would just use cars they wanted to promote the most; ones that would appeal to the largest amount of people. So that's where you get Luminas, Tauruses, and Intrepids.

Well, it's safe to say a certain pit crew is going to have some a lot of 'splainin' to do.

OptiMagnus wrote:Well, it's safe to say a certain pit crew is going to have some a lot of 'splainin' to do.

Gordon looked on top of the world after that race, hell he may have topped Bowyer on the excitement scale.

njb902 wrote:Gordon looked on top of the world after that race, hell he may have topped Bowyer on the excitement scale.

He was actually a more popular trend on Twitter than Clint Bowyer after that race. I don't think anyone expected that whole race to go the way it did. Bowyer cut a tire and brought out the caution, then later miraculously held on to just enough fuel while everyone else on the same strategy had to bail on to pit road, Gordon went from 25th and one lap down to second, and Kyle Busch's tire changer screwed him over on a routine pit stop.

Honestly, I think it was Dave Rogers' fault. He should have had Kyle come in with the others. He was trying to win the race, and lost sight of the big picture, which was to stay ahead of Gordon. Then again, I'll put a little blame on Kyle as well, he was in control of the car, if he wanted to come in really bad, he should have just done so. Rogers might have been pissed, but at least they'd be in the Chase.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Honestly, I think it was Dave Rogers' fault. He should have had Kyle come in with the others. He was trying to win the race, and lost sight of the big picture, which was to stay ahead of Gordon. Then again, I'll put a little blame on Kyle as well, he was in control of the car, if he wanted to come in really bad, he should have just done so. Rogers might have been pissed, but at least they'd be in the Chase.

That's exactly right. I think all they needed was to do what they were already doing. Gordon needed to finish at least 13 places ahead of Busch to beat him, and Busch was running I think roughly 7th and Gordon 22nd before the big screw up, which Alan Gustafson used to his advantage. I don't think Dave Rogers could have been pissed off he was in the Chase though, and he probably didn't consider that thought. But I understand why Kyle didn't defy his crew chief. As a driver, your crew chief is supposed to be the guy you entrust with strategies; he's just like a coach on a football team, and you do as he tells you because he's supposed to be the expert. Your job as the driver is to execute his calls to the best of your ability. However, I think if Dave makes another questionable call I hope Kyle just says "screw it, I'm not doing this all over again."

Eh if I was Kyle Busch I'd be more worried about getting my head in order than not making the chase. After his little stunt last fall he hasn't been the same. Hell Brad keslowsky(sp) is doing a better impression of Kyle than Kyle is. I don't like Kyle but I'd rather see him race hard than be timid. Obviously you can't do crap like he did to be parked, but sheesh it's like he was put in the corner and is sulking.

njb902 wrote:Eh if I was Kyle Busch I'd be more worried about getting my head in order than not making the chase. After his little stunt last fall he hasn't been the same. Hell Brad keslowsky(sp) is doing a better impression of Kyle than Kyle is. I don't like Kyle but I'd rather see him race hard than be timid. Obviously you can't do crap like he did to be parked, but sheesh it's like he was put in the corner and is sulking.

I don't like him after last year either, but he has a clean record this year and I'll see if he can keep it up next year before I change my mind. His problem is that he freaks out over any minor problem. If he can keep his cool and suck up his attitude he might see improvement.

OptiMagnus wrote:

njb902 wrote:Eh if I was Kyle Busch I'd be more worried about getting my head in order than not making the chase. After his little stunt last fall he hasn't been the same. Hell Brad keslowsky(sp) is doing a better impression of Kyle than Kyle is. I don't like Kyle but I'd rather see him race hard than be timid. Obviously you can't do crap like he did to be parked, but sheesh it's like he was put in the corner and is sulking.

I don't like him after last year either, but he has a clean record this year and I'll see if he can keep it up next year before I change my mind. His problem is that he freaks out over any minor problem. If he can keep his cool and suck up his attitude he might see improvement.

Sure can't argue with that.

I wonder if rcr will be able to sponsor a 4th car and snag Kurt........ Which I think is a mistake, he is just as bad as his brother.

njb902 wrote:

OptiMagnus wrote:

njb902 wrote:Eh if I was Kyle Busch I'd be more worried about getting my head in order than not making the chase. After his little stunt last fall he hasn't been the same. Hell Brad keslowsky(sp) is doing a better impression of Kyle than Kyle is. I don't like Kyle but I'd rather see him race hard than be timid. Obviously you can't do crap like he did to be parked, but sheesh it's like he was put in the corner and is sulking.

I don't like him after last year either, but he has a clean record this year and I'll see if he can keep it up next year before I change my mind. His problem is that he freaks out over any minor problem. If he can keep his cool and suck up his attitude he might see improvement.

Sure can't argue with that.

I wonder if rcr will be able to sponsor a 4th car and snag Kurt........ Which I think is a mistake, he is just as bad as his brother.

You know, for a handful of years Kurt came across as a really nice guy and I liked him. But last year and this year he's just not the same. I feel like even though he was a complete jerk to Dr. Jerry Punch he had a lot of people rooting for him to redeem himself and bring back an underdog team in the process. Than he screwed himself over again. I think Bob Pockrass asked him a dumb question but he could have thrown the question back at him without freaking out. If he would have said something smart while keeping his poker face everyone would have been like "Oh...snap. Buuuuuurn."

After how things went this season, I'm beginning to think that Denny Hamlin is becoming what Kyle Busch should have been. He's definitely top dog at Gibbs, and is tearing it up (in a good way) on the track. Hopefully Kyle can get his **** together next year. His window is coming to a close, because even though he is still young, I don't know how much more patience Gibbs has with him. He won't find a better ride than them if he is let go, because no way is he going back to Hendrick.

Rodimus Prime wrote:After how things went this season, I'm beginning to think that Denny Hamlin is becoming what Kyle Busch should have been. He's definitely top dog at Gibbs, and is tearing it up (in a good way) on the track. Hopefully Kyle can get his **** together next year. His window is coming to a close, because even though he is still young, I don't know how much more patience Gibbs has with him. He won't find a better ride than them if he is let go, because no way is he going back to Hendrick.

I swear, I think Gibbs is experimenting with outsourcing engines and chassis to China on the #18 car. The cars have mostly been crap this year. However, I still think Kyle is going to see improvement if he just keeps his cool as best as possible. He is no doubt a talented driver, but his attitude and his temper ate him last year and I can tell there's still a small hint of it left this year. But I think Gibbs will keep him as long as he doesn't keep becoming a liability. Mars already gave him two strikes on their sponsorship and they'll pull out on the third if it happens. I'm sure if he just leaves on his own someone will pick him up, but it won't be Hendrick because they have all four spots filled with drivers under long contracts, whom all are having some success this year. Waltrip would be a good bet because his team is only getting better and will probably expand if both full time drivers can win races.

Well the season is over now and we have a first time champion in Brad Keselowski. Hard earned championship for the team. I've grown to like the guy a lot this year. Races hard, not afraid to speak his mind and barely in his prime. The guy will be a force to be reckoned with for a while.