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Posted: **Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:59 pm**

T-Macksimus wrote:I think all of you are giving Bay too much credit. You might want to throw that credit (or scorn) in Ehren Kruger's direction. It's Bay's job to get filled in on the back-story as he goes along since he's the public "face" of the project. He may have had an outline or vague idea but it was Kruger's job to flesh it out, fill in the details and make it work while staying somewhat in continuity with what has come before it in the first 25+ years of lore. Bay has been cranking out other projects in the last few years and hasn't had time to research the price of a pack of toilet paper much less the details of Transformers history like Unicron and the Quintesons.

Personally, I'm glad that Bay was receptive towards Kruger's scriptwriting. Bay was all "don't push the anti kid-fun button" with O&K--his own words from the DVD commentary.

To give credit where it's due, though, Kruger is an improvement over O&K since he's actually a TF fan, and is more knowledgeable with TF lore.

Overall, I'm very happy with what I see in AoE as the first of a new trilogy. Moving away from Sam's story is the wisest thing they did. The "boy and his car" thing was Spielberg's idea in the first place. It was more or less forced onto Bay, who doesn't do "Saturday matinee" movies.

With AoE, Bay is in his element--macho characters (Cade, the Nascar guy), bromance moments (Cade and Optimus). You see these things in his pre-TF movies, and he does pretty well with them. I think he can finally take the TF's more seriously because all his preferred elements are there. And coupled with Kruger's better scriptwriting, everything just falls into place.

He just doesn't do well with a quirky character like Sam, IMO. And if the lead character isn't someone you like, your creative instinct just tries to fight you all the way.

Just my 2 cents' worth.

Sabrblade wrote:All past evidence (trailer footage, CinemaCon footage descriptions, etc.) points to Lockdown coming after Optimus.

That scene of Optimus hanging upside down in Lockdown's ship does make it pretty apparent.

Posted: **Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:34 pm**

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:All past evidence (trailer footage, CinemaCon footage descriptions, etc.) points to Lockdown coming after Optimus.

That scene of Optimus hanging upside down in Lockdown's ship does make it pretty apparent.

Not to mention that, in the descriptions of the CinemaCon footage, while Optimus is having his street fight with Galvatron, Lockdown's ship arrives on the scene and Lockdown gets out to beat up and capture Optimus, accidentally scooping up Tessa as well.

Posted: **Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:14 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:All past evidence (trailer footage, CinemaCon footage descriptions, etc.) points to Lockdown coming after Optimus.

That scene of Optimus hanging upside down in Lockdown's ship does make it pretty apparent.
Not to mention that, in the descriptions of the CinemaCon footage, while Optimus is having his street fight with Galvatron, Lockdown's ship arrives on the scene and Lockdown gets out to beat up and capture Optimus, accidentally scooping up Tessa as well.

I think I missed the Cinemacon post.

From your description, it's almost definitely OP.

I'm really curious as to who Lockdown's client is. From Bay's description, it it's almost definitely the Quintessons. But just between you and me, I think he/it/they might fit the description of the Quints (a species of manipulative, scheming aliens with ulterior motives towards the TF's) but might not be Quintessons per se.

Posted: **Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:25 am**

My mind naturally gravitates towards toy matters... will the AOE toy be a better or worse stand-in for Classics Lockdown than the ROTF version?

Posted: **Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:03 am**

I know this has no chance of happening, but it would be awesome if Lockdown worked for Ultra Magnus.

Posted: **Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:12 am**

Maybe Lockdown is working for Zarak. The ship is a bit Scorponok-ish. Anything is ok with me. I love giant robots, I love pretty ladies, I love explosions. I'm going to have fun no matter what the plot is.

Posted: **Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:21 am**

ralphatron wrote:I love giant robots, I love pretty ladies, I love explosions. I'm going to have fun no matter what the plot is.

...Bay? Is that you?

Also, am I the only 1 who thinks of Neo when I see that shot of Crosshairs?

Posted: **Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:12 pm**

...Bay? Is that you?

Also, am I the only 1 who thinks of Neo when I see that shot of Crosshairs?

I think of DotM Roadbuster =P

Posted: **Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:02 pm**

Rodimus Prime wrote:Also, am I the only 1 who thinks of Neo when I see that shot of Crosshairs?

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:24 am**

I just had a thought. If Lockdown really ins't a Decepticon like this article claims, then it's possible that this movie could really have no Decepticons in it at all.

Just human antagonists, manmade Transformers, and Lockdown the neutrally-aligned bounty hunter.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:48 am**

Sabrblade wrote:I just had a thought. If Lockdown really ins't a Decepticon like this article claims, then it's possible that this movie could really have no Decepticons in it at all.

Just human antagonists, manmade Transformers, and Lockdown the neutrally-aligned bounty hunter.

What about those Decepticon ships Crosshairs and Bumblebee were fighting?

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:50 am**

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:I just had a thought. If Lockdown really ins't a Decepticon like this article claims, then it's possible that this movie could really have no Decepticons in it at all.

Just human antagonists, manmade Transformers, and Lockdown the neutrally-aligned bounty hunter.

What about those Decepticon ships Crosshairs and Bumblebee were fighting?

How do you know those are Decepticon ships? If they're affiliated with Lockdown, they could possibly be aligned with his mysterious benefactor(s) as well.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:59 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:I just had a thought. If Lockdown really ins't a Decepticon like this article claims, then it's possible that this movie could really have no Decepticons in it at all.

Just human antagonists, manmade Transformers, and Lockdown the neutrally-aligned bounty hunter.

What about those Decepticon ships Crosshairs and Bumblebee were fighting?
How do you know those are Decepticon ships? If they're affiliated with Lockdown, they could possibly be aligned with his mysterious benefactor(s) as well.

Because they were Decepticon ships in DOTM.

Posted: **Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:03 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:I just had a thought. If Lockdown really ins't a Decepticon like this article claims, then it's possible that this movie could really have no Decepticons in it at all.

Just human antagonists, manmade Transformers, and Lockdown the neutrally-aligned bounty hunter.

What about those Decepticon ships Crosshairs and Bumblebee were fighting?
How do you know those are Decepticon ships? If they're affiliated with Lockdown, they could possibly be aligned with his mysterious benefactor(s) as well.

Because they were Decepticon ships in DOTM.

Ships themselves cannot choose sides if they're not alive.

Being similar technology is not the same thing as belonging to the same faction.

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:22 pm**

Stinger's image is literally the exact same as Bumblebee's, except mirrored and red.
Hmm... I just had an idea. If Galvatron rebels against his human masters, what if Stinger rebels, changes his name to Cliffjumper, and becomes an Autobot?

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:38 pm**

Metro Prime wrote:Stinger's image is literally the exact same as Bumblebee's, except mirrored and red.
Hmm... I just had an idea. If Galvatron rebels against his human masters, what if Stinger rebels, changes his name to Cliffjumper, and becomes an Autobot?

Then we would have two Cliffjumpers.

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:30 pm**

dreadwing95 wrote:i love every single one of these designs. so pumped for this movie

ME TOO!!

Posted: **Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:44 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Metro Prime wrote:Stinger's image is literally the exact same as Bumblebee's, except mirrored and red.
Hmm... I just had an idea. If Galvatron rebels against his human masters, what if Stinger rebels, changes his name to Cliffjumper, and becomes an Autobot?
Then we would have two Cliffjumpers.

The comics contradict the movies so much,I don't even count them. :michaelbay:

Posted: **Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:09 am**

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:I just had a thought. If Lockdown really ins't a Decepticon like this article claims, then it's possible that this movie could really have no Decepticons in it at all.

Just human antagonists, manmade Transformers, and Lockdown the neutrally-aligned bounty hunter.

What about those Decepticon ships Crosshairs and Bumblebee were fighting?
How do you know those are Decepticon ships? If they're affiliated with Lockdown, they could possibly be aligned with his mysterious benefactor(s) as well.

Because they were Decepticon ships in DOTM.

As seen either humans fly it or human made cons

remember that Mark and others were in the ship during filming,

Posted: **Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:12 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
Metro Prime wrote:Stinger's image is literally the exact same as Bumblebee's, except mirrored and red.
Hmm... I just had an idea. If Galvatron rebels against his human masters, what if Stinger rebels, changes his name to Cliffjumper, and becomes an Autobot?
Then we would have two Cliffjumpers.

unfortunately
Bay does not give two dimes about the comics so it's unlikely unless there is a prequel comic which says that humans found an either dead or injured Cliffjumper on mars and took him and reformated him into Stinger instead of Stinger being based on Bumblebee.

although Stinger was referred to as an Autobot in a clip from Entertainment Tonight back from November, though the toy refers him as a Decepticon.

Posted: **Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:32 am**

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:although Stinger was referred to as an Autobot in a clip from Entertainment Tonight back from November,

No he wasn't.

Posted: **Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:43 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:although Stinger was referred to as an Autobot in a clip from Entertainment Tonight back from November,
No he wasn't.

hmm i though he was referred to an autobot at some point early on.

in all fairness i got that quote from the wiki (that they only post information that is correct and you have to be one of the moderators on that site to change it)

Posted: **Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:49 am**

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:although Stinger was referred to as an Autobot in a clip from Entertainment Tonight back from November,
No he wasn't.

hmm i though he was referred to an autobot at some point early on.

in all fairness i got that quote from the wiki (that they only post information that is correct and you have to be one of the moderators on that site to change it)

Done. Said note is now gone.

Posted: **Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:26 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:although Stinger was referred to as an Autobot in a clip from Entertainment Tonight back from November,
No he wasn't.

hmm i though he was referred to an autobot at some point early on.

in all fairness i got that quote from the wiki (that they only post information that is correct and you have to be one of the moderators on that site to change it)
Done. Said note is now gone.

alright thank you for clearing that up.

i just hope that Stinger is bad at first who wishes to defeat Bee because he is jealous of Bee being an actual Transformer and not a human creation but at the end or near the end of the film Bee convinces Stinger he can also be like them and joins them.

but knowing the movies he is probably going to have 2 lines and be blown to pieces by Bee.

Posted: **Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:30 am**

I'm honestly not expecting any of the manmade robots to have any lines, much less personalities. If they do speak, I'd imagine that it would be the voices of the human operators, or as stereotypical robotic voices.

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