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Seibertron wrote:
I do like the idea of transparent Masterpiece figures, which is something we've oddly not had prior to YOTG Soundwave. I would be all about a Sons of Cybertron styled MP-10 Convoy or "Lucky Draw" ROTF Leader Class Optimus Prime.

There was Ghost Starscream. I would also like some clear MPs but it might be an engineering issue considering the comparative fragility of transparent plastics. Id' be interested to see how well this one holds together after a few years of ownership.

Diem wrote:

Seibertron wrote:
I do like the idea of transparent Masterpiece figures, which is something we've oddly not had prior to YOTG Soundwave. I would be all about a Sons of Cybertron styled MP-10 Convoy or "Lucky Draw" ROTF Leader Class Optimus Prime.

There was Ghost Starscream. I would also like some clear MPs but it might be an engineering issue considering the comparative fragility of transparent plastics. Id' be interested to see how well this one holds together after a few years of ownership.

I forgot about Ghost Starscream. Mine is still holding up just fine. I worry about the translucent parts on the Cassettes more than I do Soundwave. Of particular concern to me are Laserbeak and Buzzsaw, but maybe they're not any more fragile than the regular versions are which I've heard some people have had problems with.

i hate translucent figures

I felt bad for the Linkin Park guys while working on this gallery. I kept thinking ... here's the golden hued paint that your exclusive was supposed to have but somehow was absent in lieu of brown colored plastic. The Linkin Park Soundwave would have looked so much better with a similar shade of gold paint on the toy instead of just plain brown plastic.

seems hasbro got a good deal on a lot of brown paint

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:Soundwave would look much better if he was done up like his Cassettes.

Hasbro didn't use a clear image of the symbol that represents Year of the Goat. From my Google searches, it looks like it's supposed to be the Earthly Branch symbol. If I used the incorrect symbol, please correct me so that I can update the spotlight image accordingly.

The characters for goat are 山羊, at least in Japanese. Chinese has different ones: 色鬼. The latter has the main meaning in both cases.

Except those aren't the symbols that Hasbro used on the Year of the Horse package. The symbol they used last year came from the Chinese Zodiac symbols which are different than the actual words.

You are kidding right? The Chinese for goat is 色鬼? I wonder where your En-Ch dictionary comes from, as you sure need to get a refund for that.

Crystiallic wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:Soundwave would look much better if he was done up like his Cassettes.

Hasbro didn't use a clear image of the symbol that represents Year of the Goat. From my Google searches, it looks like it's supposed to be the Earthly Branch symbol. If I used the incorrect symbol, please correct me so that I can update the spotlight image accordingly.

The characters for goat are 山羊, at least in Japanese. Chinese has different ones: 色鬼. The latter has the main meaning in both cases.

Except those aren't the symbols that Hasbro used on the Year of the Horse package. The symbol they used last year came from the Chinese Zodiac symbols which are different than the actual words.

You are kidding right? The Chinese for goat is 色鬼? I wonder where your En-Ch dictionary comes from, as you sure need to get a refund for that.

Go write to Google Translate then

Crystiallic wrote:You are kidding right? The Chinese for goat is 色鬼? I wonder where your En-Ch dictionary comes from, as you sure need to get a refund for that.

Nope, not kidding. You can see the same character I used in the Decepticon logo on the Year of the Goat Soundwave package. Now that I know what the symbol is, I can make it out in the Decepticon symbol but I wasn't sure what I was looking at before.

It's also the same symbol used on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat_(zodiac)

The Goat ( Chinese: 羊; pinyin: yáng) is the eighth sign of the 12-year cycle of animals that appear in the Chinese zodiac related to the Chinese calendar. The Year of the Goat is associated with the 8th Earthly Branch symbol, 未 (wèi).

Apparently, Hasbro is using Pinyin for the characters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin

Pinyin, or Hanyu Pinyin, is the official phonetic system for transcribing the Mandarin pronunciations of Chinese characters into the Latin alphabet in the People's Republic of China, Taiwan (Republic of China),[1] and Singapore. It is often used to teach Standard Chinese and a pinyin without diacritic markers is often used in foreign publications to spell Chinese names familiar to non-Chinese and may be used as an input method to enter Chinese characters into computers.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Crystiallic wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:Soundwave would look much better if he was done up like his Cassettes.

Hasbro didn't use a clear image of the symbol that represents Year of the Goat. From my Google searches, it looks like it's supposed to be the Earthly Branch symbol. If I used the incorrect symbol, please correct me so that I can update the spotlight image accordingly.

The characters for goat are 山羊, at least in Japanese. Chinese has different ones: 色鬼. The latter has the main meaning in both cases.

Except those aren't the symbols that Hasbro used on the Year of the Horse package. The symbol they used last year came from the Chinese Zodiac symbols which are different than the actual words.

You are kidding right? The Chinese for goat is 色鬼? I wonder where your En-Ch dictionary comes from, as you sure need to get a refund for that.

Go write to Google Translate then

Those kanji literally translate to "colour" and "demon/spirit/oni" (depending on Japanses vs. Chinese and context). Together they can either be iro-oni, a children's tag game, or shikiki which would be "pervert" or "lecher" (for my minimal knowledge it could be either in Japanese, but only the latter in Chinese). Someone somewhere is having a bit of a laugh.

Seibertron, if you want to see cleaner version of the Zodiac kanji you can always check out the sticker sheet for Autrooper (or your gallery thereof).

Seibertron wrote:

Crystiallic wrote:You are kidding right? The Chinese for goat is 色鬼? I wonder where your En-Ch dictionary comes from, as you sure need to get a refund for that.

Nope, not kidding. You can see the same character I used in the Decepticon logo on the Year of the Goat Soundwave package. Now that I know what the symbol is, I can make it out in the Decepticon symbol but I wasn't sure what I was looking at before.

It's also the same symbol used on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat_(zodiac)

The Goat ( Chinese: 羊; pinyin: yáng) is the eighth sign of the 12-year cycle of animals that appear in the Chinese zodiac related to the Chinese calendar. The Year of the Goat is associated with the 8th Earthly Branch symbol, 未 (wèi).

Apparently, Hasbro is using Pinyin for the characters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin

Pinyin, or Hanyu Pinyin, is the official phonetic system for transcribing the Mandarin pronunciations of Chinese characters into the Latin alphabet in the People's Republic of China, Taiwan (Republic of China),[1] and Singapore. It is often used to teach Standard Chinese and a pinyin without diacritic markers is often used in foreign publications to spell Chinese names familiar to non-Chinese and may be used as an input method to enter Chinese characters into computers.

By joking I wasn't talking about your choice of character. That is the right character for "year of the goat".

I believe Hasbro hired some people to twist the character to fit into the Decpticon symbol, as they did last year with YotH. Although last year they used 篆书 as font style, which is the style Chinese used in Bronze age. This year they used 行书, which though dated thousands of years but is still commonly used. The font style you used is more like 行楷 which is the font style between 行书 and 楷书, which is featured in GoldRabbit's picture.

By the way, 色鬼 means "creepy horny man", or "pervert" as per Diem.

Diem wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Crystiallic wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:Soundwave would look much better if he was done up like his Cassettes.

Hasbro didn't use a clear image of the symbol that represents Year of the Goat. From my Google searches, it looks like it's supposed to be the Earthly Branch symbol. If I used the incorrect symbol, please correct me so that I can update the spotlight image accordingly.

The characters for goat are 山羊, at least in Japanese. Chinese has different ones: 色鬼. The latter has the main meaning in both cases.

Except those aren't the symbols that Hasbro used on the Year of the Horse package. The symbol they used last year came from the Chinese Zodiac symbols which are different than the actual words.

You are kidding right? The Chinese for goat is 色鬼? I wonder where your En-Ch dictionary comes from, as you sure need to get a refund for that.

Go write to Google Translate then

Those kanji literally translate to "colour" and "demon/spirit/oni" (depending on Japanses vs. Chinese and context). Together they can either be iro-oni, a children's tag game, or shikiki which would be "pervert" or "lecher" (for my minimal knowledge it could be either in Japanese, but only the latter in Chinese). Someone somewhere is having a bit of a laugh.

Seibertron, if you want to see cleaner version of the Zodiac kanji you can always check out the sticker sheet for Autrooper (or your gallery thereof).

色鬼 means 痴汉 in Japanese.

Crystiallic wrote:色鬼 means 痴汉 in Japanese.

I believe that 色鬼 still works in Japanese, though I'm no native speaker, but 痴汉 would definitely be the more common one, at least in animu!

Fun fact, a guy I knew from Alabama who lived in Japan but didn't speak a word of Japanese loved eating chicken, but used to pronounce "chicken" as "痴汉", and wondered why everyone kept staring at him. True, but kind of boring story.

Crystiallic wrote:By joking I wasn't talking about your choice of character. That is the right character for "year of the goat".

I believe Hasbro hired some people to twist the character to fit into the Decpticon symbol, as they did last year with YotH. Although last year they used 篆书 as font style, which is the style Chinese used in Bronze age. This year they used 行书, which though dated thousands of years but is still commonly used. The font style you used is more like 行楷 which is the font style between 行书 and 楷书, which is featured in GoldRabbit's picture.

By the way, 色鬼 means "creepy horny man", or "pervert" as per Diem.

I assume the connection is related to goats being allegedly very sexually uninhibited animals. It's the basis for mythological creatures like Satyrs and their patron god Pan, as well as more modern usages, like calling a dirty old man an "old goat," for instance.

I've already shared my thoughts on this deco, so my only question here is.....is it Year of the Goat or Year of the Sheep? They're different animals, but I see on this chart



That it's consistently specified as sheep. Anyone know the reason for the contradiction?

Bounti76 wrote:I've already shared my thoughts on this deco, so my only question here is.....is it Year of the Goat or Year of the Sheep? They're different animals, but I see on this chart



That it's consistently specified as sheep. Anyone know the reason for the contradiction?

Great question! The kanji used is literally the one for sheep per its modern usage, but going back etymologically further the kanji was used for basically any horned mammal that looked vaguely bovidae (the invention of kanji preceding the invention of taxonomy) so the correct answer is both! Or either!

When they get around to MP Mirage, I'll understand (and want) a translucent figure. I just don't get this one at all. YOTH colorations were way easier on the eye, not that I wanted that either, but you can't say it's a stealth mode because of the garish orange.
I guess if you enjoy collecting bizarre and unforturnate recolors, this is your year.

The toy's official name is "Year of the Goat", but the Chinese Zodiac animal itself has been translated by multiple sources into being a goat, a sheep, or even a ram.

Other animals have been translated as an ox or a bull, a pig or a boar, a monkey or an ape, a cock or a rooster, a rat or a mouse, while the rest have been mostly consistent as just dragon, rabbit, tiger, snake, horse, and dog.

Am I the only one looking forward to 2021? (Hint, it's a Prowl repaint)

Sabrblade wrote:The toy's official name is "Year of the Goat", but the Chinese Zodiac animal itself has been translated by multiple sources into being a goat, a sheep, or even a ram.

Other animals have been translated as an ox or a bull, a pig or a boar, a monkey or an ape, a cock or a rooster, a rat or a mouse, while the rest have been mostly consistent as just dragon, rabbit, tiger, snake, horse, and dog.

Well, rooster and cock are actually exactly the same animal. They're just alternate words for the same thing, a male chicken. Bonus: you can also call a male chicken a "chicmen." Yes, that's real.

Madeus Prime wrote:
Am I the only one looking forward to 2021? (Hint, it's a Prowl repaint)

Those aren't in the right order.

The years go Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog, Pig, repeat.

2021 would be the Ox, which would be an odd Prowl repaint.

I'll gonna punch a basket of puppies and throw the resulting mess at an orphanage's window if they don't repaint an Optimus Primal toy for the Year of the Monkey.

Sabrblade wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:
Am I the only one looking forward to 2021? (Hint, it's a Prowl repaint)

Those aren't in the right order.

The years go Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog, Pig, repeat.

2021 would be the Ox, which would be an odd Prowl repaint.

2017 it is, then.

Reissue Scattershot!

Damn I want a MP Soundwave but one made of ice and caramel wasn't what I wanted!

-Kanrabat- wrote:I'll gonna punch a basket of puppies and throw the resulting mess at an orphanage's window if they don't repaint an Optimus Primal toy for the Year of the Monkey.

Considering that next year is also the 20th anniversary of the Beast Wars (yikes!), maybe your wish will come true. Or at least something special with Beast Wars would be awesome!!!

Seibertron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I'll gonna punch a basket of puppies and throw the resulting mess at an orphanage's window if they don't repaint an Optimus Primal toy for the Year of the Monkey.

Considering that next year is also the 20th anniversary of the Beast Wars (yikes!), maybe your wish will come true. Or at least something special with Beast Wars would be awesome!!!

Given the recent awesome Generations remakes with Rhinox and Rattrap, they have no excuses.