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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:29 pm

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Seibertron wrote:Sorry ... wrote that right before bed. Meant to say "Frenzy is blue and Rumble is red in my book". I corrected my original post. Now everything I wrote should make sense.
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Re:The FIRRIB vs. RIRFIB discussion - As for my stance, I was originally strictly FIRRIB since the cartoon was the first I had ever seen of these two characters and I followed just that story for a good long while. But, over time, I grew to just accept whatever coloring used by each medium as the correct one for that version.

Like, in the cartoon, it is correct to say that Rumble is the blue/purple one. But in the Marvel comics, it is correct to say that he is the black/red one. Same with the toys, the Japanese version, the Dreamwave comics, the IDW comics etc.

Whatever colors they go with, I say it's fair to call those the right colors for the characters in just that version, as there sadly is no universally correct answer to this. Sure, this would have all been easier had the cartoon not made the switch, but it's what we're stuck with.
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:35 pm

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tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.


It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.


I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
But Takara was just following what they've always done in that case. Rumble and Frenzy have never had the their colors swapped in the Japanese media, so Japan has always been RIRFIB from the beginning.

Hasbro, however, has been moving more towards FIRRIB lately ever since their canceled Reveal the Shield Scout class Demolition Rumble figure being blue/purple. Once Hasbro's American release of Masterpiece Soundwave comes out, the names of the Rumble and Frenzy MP toys may be switched around from how Takara named them, especially since how the MP toys are very show-accurate and the American version of the cartoon used FIRRIB. ;)
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Arctorro » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:53 pm

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Seibertron wrote:
tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.


It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.


I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it on ;)
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

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Arctorro wrote:
El Duque wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.


It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.


I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it on ;)


Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Arctorro » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:36 am

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Seibertron wrote:
Arctorro wrote:
El Duque wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.


It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.


I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it on ;)


Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.

Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

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Arctorro wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Arctorro wrote:
El Duque wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
tfcrafter wrote:Even before I read all the comments, I knew this article would be yet another platform for the FIRRIB/FIBRIR deabte.


It's fun reading everyone's interpretations. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue is my thing, but it's interesting to read other explanations for the opposite train of thought.


I think the fact that Takara just released these guys as Masterpiece figures and labeled them as Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue should end the debate. These are supposed to be the definitive G1 interpretations of these guys after all.
I couldn't disagree more. As you say, these are based on the cartoon after all and in the cartoon FIRRIB, so that is what I personally will be going with regardless of what name is on the packaging. I only read the comics a few years ago and didn't really enjoy them, so the cartoon from my childhood is what I base it on ;)


Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.

Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.


Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.

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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Arctorro » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:36 am

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Arctorro wrote:Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.


Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.
Again, don't care :D As I've been saying, I'm going by the tv show because that's what I grew up with.

I'm definitely no expert, but aren't Hasbro sticking with FIRRIB these days?
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

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Arctorro wrote:
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Arctorro wrote:Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.


Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.
Again, don't care :D As I've been saying, I'm going by the tv show because that's what I grew up with.

I'm definitely no expert, but aren't Hasbro sticking with FIRRIB these days?


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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Arctorro » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:00 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Arctorro wrote:
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Arctorro wrote:Hasbro is nothing if not inconsistent, doesn't change anything though. I grew up with FIRRIB and that is something that can't be changed. I couldn't care less what Takara called these guys. I don't speak or read Japanese and haven't seen there version of the G1 cartoon, so the U.S. version is what I go by. That means, for me, Rumble will always be purple and blue and Frenzy will always be red and black.


Except in the US, even the G1 toys were Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. It was the cartoon that got it wrong but that's what everyone remembers unfortunately.
Again, don't care :D As I've been saying, I'm going by the tv show because that's what I grew up with.

I'm definitely no expert, but aren't Hasbro sticking with FIRRIB these days?


The moral of the story is: sentimentality and nostalgia trump rational facts. Every. Single. Time. >:oP
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:51 am

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Seibertron wrote:Except in Japan, they got the names "right" with the G1 cartoon to match the toy releases. The main blue cassette Decepticon is called Frenzy in the Japanese version of th G1 cartoon. So, going with that, Takara's consistency should speak volumes over Hasbro's inconsistencies.
Except that their version came after ours. Their toys were RIRFIB because Hasbro's originally were, and the Japanese cartoon dub made the switch to their names to avoid the same confusion in the West. But nowadays, Hasbro's been leaning more towards FIRRIB with all of their current Rumble toys being blue and their Frenzy toys being red. It's very possible that the Hasbro MP Soundwave release could have Rumble and Frenzy named in a FIRRIB manner to reflect their current viewpoint.

Plus, the characters were created and owned by Hasbro originally, so shouldn't they have the final say for who's who in the English version?

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Then again, I'm probably thinking much differently about this than most since I don't see the Japanese character counterparts as being the same exact individuals as their English-speaking counterparts. For instance, while I do recognize Optimus Prime and Convoy as being two versions of the same basic character concept, I don't see them as being the exact same person. Like, while Optimus Prime lived on through the events of "The Rebirth", Convoy instead perished in the beginning acts of "The Headmasters".

So I guess for me, it's fine for Japanese Rumble and Japanese Frenzy to be RIRFIB, as, to me, it doesn't necessarily affect whatever colors American Rumble and American Frenzy are.
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Mkall » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:14 am

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Wasn't there a quip in Dreamwave's comics where one character asked "Which one is which?"
The response went along the lines of "Don't ask me, they can't keep it straight either"
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New Galleries: Takara Tomy Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-20 Ironhide with Iro

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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:33 pm

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Basically, I guess what I'm trying to say about the Takara MP versions, why should what one of the Japanese versions do dictate what goes on in the many different English versions? Most English stuff doesn't even acknowledge a good chunk of the Japanese-only stuff anyway.
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Re: New Galleries: Takara Tomy Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-20 Ironhide with Iro

Postby DevastaTTor » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:00 pm

Since I passed on the Hasbro mold several years ago, this may actually make a pretty good Ironhide for my Classics... shelf. The grin is a little cheesy but other than that, looks good.
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

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Sinnertwin wrote:Another FIRRIB RIRFIB conversation. Awesome. Because preaching to the converted is really going to change their opinion after all this time.


I think everyone's doing alright in this discussion. No hard feelings here!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Heck, I'm even a flip-flopper on the issue. I used to be on the FIRRIB boat long ago before I changed to FIBRIR way of thinking. :michaelbay:
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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:01 am

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I'm on neither FIRRIB nor RIRFIB anyway. I'm on the side of FIRISCABIORIBISCARIO.

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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:21 am

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Re: Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-30 Rumble & AM-31 Frenzy Galleries + Easy foot mod

Postby ScottyP » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:10 am

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Cool mod! Will definitely be doing that to my set.
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New Galleries: Beast Hunters Deluxe Class Wave 3 Ratchet, Dreadwing and Skystalker

Postby El Duque » Sun May 19, 2013 6:16 pm

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We're pleased to announce that Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Deluxe Wave 3 has been added the galleries! This wave features the latest dragon to join the Predacon ranks, Skystalker, Dreadwing's debut in the Deluxe Class complete with Beast Hunters armor, and last but not least the heavily retooled Beast Hunters Ratchet. Enjoy the full galleries by click any of the links or images found below.


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Re: New Galleries: Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Deluxe and Voyager Class

Postby Noideaforaname » Sun May 19, 2013 6:28 pm

Dreadwing and Ratchet are a mess of weird concepts and weirder colors, while I'll never get over how all the mainline Predacons pretty much do the same exact thing as each other. There could at least be dragon head(s) that turn into robot hand(s) or legs that swap into the arms' position (or vice-versa) or something.
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Re: New Galleries: Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Deluxe and Voyager Class

Postby Mindmaster » Sun May 19, 2013 6:34 pm

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Skystalker just isn't worth the price. I'd rather commit to much better molds, like the Thrilling 30 line. >:oP

Might get Dreadwing, only for the sake of getting Dreadwing in toy form. Y'know, since he never even made one appearance at any of my local retailers.

Ratchet... that orange sherbert and weapon just doesn't work on him. Great, now I want orange sherbert. :-(

I notice that Grimwing is on the site's banner. Does that mean we're getting galleries of him and Ultra Magnus too?
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