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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby craggy » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:34 pm

I think I have a copy of Debbie Downers on vhs somewhere...or maybe I'm getting the name of that film a little wrong?

I'd still like a comic Jhiaxus, but I do like that the SpringStorm remold concept is continuing.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:30 pm

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craggy wrote:I think I have a copy of Debbie Downers on vhs somewhere...or maybe I'm getting the name of that film a little wrong?

I'd still like a comic Jhiaxus, but I do like that the SpringStorm remold concept is continuing.


It looks like Hasbro is experimenting more with pre-planned retools (or "pretools"). First it was just the head, now they've expanded the scope to other parts of the figure it seems. And that's a good thing.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby craggy » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:08 pm

it's a very good thing.

(I still want Battletrap and especially Flywheels from those Generations triple-changers though)
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Bounti76 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:12 am

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Bounti76 wrote:i'm not sure how everyone (including myself) missed this until now, but the site advertising this wave, is advertising it as Wave 4. That's wrong.

Wave 1
Bumblebee
Orion Pax
Megatron
Trailcutter

Wave 2
Hoist
Thundercracker

Wave 3
Skids
Waspinator
Goldfire
Dreadwing

Wave 4
Scoop w/ Holepunch and Tracer/Caliburst
Armada Starscream
Centuritron/Mini-Con Assault Team
Skywarp

So there's one more thing to add to my list that this is false information all around. Again, every one of the molds so far in the Thrilling 30/Generations line has been either new, or a repaint or remold of a character in the line already (Trailcutter/Hoist, Goldfire/Bumblebee, Dreadwing/Megatron). Using Jazz as Nightbeat just doesn't jive. Nothing about this listing seems likely.


Normally you'd be right. However, Hasbro has taken up a habit of resetting the wave counter when a new year rolls around in the middle of the line. As such:

2013

Wave 1
Bumblebee
Orion Pax
Megatron
Trailcutter

Wave 2
Hoist
Thundercracker

2014

Wave 1
Skids
Waspinator
Goldfire
Dreadwing

Wave 2
Scoop w/ Holepunch and Tracer/Caliburst
Armada Starscream
Centuritron/Mini-Con Assault Team
Skywarp

Wave 3
Rattrap
Crosscut
Tankor

Wave 4
Jhiaxus
Nightbeat
Windblade

I am surprised Windblade is coming this early... :-?


While that makes sense, the wave with Skids, Waspinator, Goldfire and Dreadwing was released late last year. So if Hasbro really is resetting with each year, it's possible that this wave, if it IS Wave 4 of 2014, won't be released until later this year.

But I still hope to Primus that that isn't the "official" Nightbeat. Judging from the comments on here, I must be the only one who doesn't like the RTS Jazz mold. It doesn't fit together or peg in anywhere tightly (specifically the chest, it's floppy) and the arms were already loose after transforming it a couple of times. Not to mention that the plastic itself that was used felt cheap. I still just can't believe that Hasbro would think about using a 4 year old mold for ONE character when they've used ALL new molds for the characters in this line. It just doesn't seem right.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Bounti76 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:44 am

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Bounti76 wrote:I call bull***t on this... For several reasons. (...) I can't see Hasbro going back to a nearly 4-year old mold


Meanwhile, Armada toys retooled and redecoed in Cybertron, three-to-five years after the Armada toyline ran its course.

P.S: There were six retools and redecoes for "mainline figures" and over twenty Minicons.

2. Jhiaxus' coloring looks nothing like any recent version of the character.


It's an homage to RiD Jhiaxus.

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3. Windblade isn't due until the finish of the Thrilling 30 line, from all indications and announcements by Hasbro.


Since this is the sixth wave for Thrilling 30, I'd imagine we're at the end of the toyline.

And if you look closely at the drawing here, she has Prime Arcee's arms (complete with the same forearm spikes, and even the same hands) and torso. Only the head, wings and legs are different. Not to mention that the head only marginally resembles the images of her we've seen so far.


This helps your argument how? Toys have been drastically retooled in the past.

Also, if they manage to pull that off with Windblade, then I will be quite impressed.

4. The RTS Jazz mold is too old to use (my opinion) for a line like Thrilling 30,


What makes Thrilling 30 superior to any other line that has used old molds for new toys? :???:


You do make good points, I'll agree. I never watched any of the Unicron Trilogy shows (I was out of the world of Transformers from about 1989-2009), but I would assume that if the shows were similar in style, the toys would have similar aesthetics. So it wouldn't be hard or jarring to have a toy from one line repainted and remolded for a similar line in the trilogy.

I understand the coloring being an homage to RID Jhiaxus, but my point was, was anyone clamoring for that homage? Fans liked Armada Starscream, so there's a new toy homaging that in this line. Fans more than likely want a Jhiaxus toy that looks either similar to the way he's appearing in comics now (so as to sell the toy better), or as he appeared in G2 (and is in RG1).Maybe some fans DO want a Jhiaxus that homages RID. But I think they would want current or G2 Jhiaxus first.

It helps my argument because no one wants a brand-new character to get a rehashed Prime Arcee toy, even an extensively rehashed one. Hasbro and IDW are making Windblade into a big enough deal that she's getting her own mini-series, but they're going to skimp on giving her a unique toy? Doesn't make sense.

Thrilling 30 has been all about new molds, I've said this before. So far, every single Deluxe in this line with the pack-in comics has been a brand-new mold or a repaint/retool of these brand new molds where it made sense (Skids and Crosscut, Trailbreaker and Hoist, Thundercracker and Skywarp, all of whom were redecos/retools of their molds). I just don't think the Jazz mold is all that spectacular. The deco is great, but the figure itself is floppy and is made out of cheap feeling plastic. Definitely the weakest of the RTS line to me.


Again, I wasn't watching when Beast Wars came around, but to give characters like Rattrap and Waspinator brand new molds that would be extremely difficult to re-use, and then skimp on Jhiaxus, Nightbeat and Windblade? Or to make a brand-new mold for someone like Scoop, who's even MORE obscure than Nightbeat, and to update his Targetmaster partners to boot? Sure he could possibly be redecoed into Scrapper. But a new, unique Nightbeat mold could also be redecoed and retooled into Siren and Minerva.

The Thrilling 30 line (which SHOULD be better than other lines that repaint extensively used molds) is meant to celebrate the 30th Anniversary of the franchise, and has given the longtime fans some amazing figures and molds. To possibly end it on such a disappointing note is something of a slap in the face.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Manterax Prime » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:53 pm

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Given that Hasbro tends to homage toys while Takara tends to homage the fiction, we might get a comic-coloration once Takara reveals their Jhiaxus.


Actually megatronus, recently it's been the opposite w/ the generations line. Takara's been doing colors based on past toys and Hasbro's been doing colors based on the IDW comics.

But I'll admit, I like the orange and white Jhiaxus better.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:02 pm

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Manterax Prime wrote:Actually megatronus, recently it's been the opposite w/ the generations line. Takara's been doing colors based on past toys and Hasbro's been doing colors based on the IDW comics.
Erm, I wouldn't quite say that completely. For instance, Takara's IDW stealth bomber Megatron is more comic-accurate than Hasbro's (minus their replacing Hasbro's translucent purple plastic with red), and their Trailbreaker has more comic-accurate paint apps on its arms than those on the arms of Hasbro's Trailcutter.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby El Duque » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:27 pm

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Thanks to eToysJapan we have some slightly larger images of the rumored Transformers Generations 2014 Deluxe Wave 4. The wave will supposedly consist of:

  • Nightbeat, a repaint/retool of Reveal the Shield Jazz
  • Jhiaxus, a heavy retool of the recently released Armada Starscream
  • Windblade, an all new mold based on the Fall Built Bot winner and upcoming IDW character

No domestic pre-order have popped up yet, for now check out the images below.

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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby njb902 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:38 pm

Jhiaxus has no hands for which to throttle his enemies.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby paul053 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:38 pm

Why do I feel I don't like Nightbeat being a Jazz repaint?
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Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:39 pm

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Doubledealer93 wrote:if this is wave 4 then whats the deal with the rattrap wave?
That's 2014 Wave 3.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

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Doubledealer93 wrote:if this is wave 4 then whats the deal with the rattrap wave?


It'll still come out, before this wave. Yet again, the total list for those not wanting to view older pages. Remember, Wave number get reset in December/January:

Wave 1
Trailcutter
Orion Pax
Megatron
Bumblebee

Wave 2
Hoist
Thundercracker

Wave 3 / 2014 Wave 1
Goldfire
Autobot Skids
Waspinator
Dreadwing

Wave 4 / 2014 Wave 2
Armada Starscream
Autobot Scoop
Skywarp
Mini-Con Assault Team

Wave 5 / 2014 Wave 3
Rattrap
Crosscut
Tankor

Wave 6 / 2014 Wave 4
Jhiaxus
Nightbeat
Windblade

Wave 7 / 2014 Wave 5 (speculated to switch release dates with 2014 Wave 4)
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby noctorro » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:49 pm

Dear Primus, show us the picture of Wingblade already!
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Dr. Caelus » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:27 pm

Why do they keep doing Jhiaxus in orange? I didn't understand that decision the first time, and I don't understand why they decided to reproduce it...
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Deathscythetransform » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:33 pm

I MAY grab Windblade...

maybe.

But nightbeat... Jhiaxus...

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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Brakethrough » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:51 pm

njb902 wrote:Jhiaxus has no hands for which to throttle his enemies.


Arcee probably hacked them off at some point.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Mkall » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:06 pm

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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:14 pm

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Windblade is the only figure I'll buy out of this wave. I swear, Hasbro has it in for Jhiaxus. I just don't understand why he can't have his own mold, and be G2 accurate for once.

It's stupid and this is why 3rd parties exist.
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Postby Mkall » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:42 pm

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This wave will be all bought. I've never had any attachment to Jhiaxus, so this version of him should be fine.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby njb902 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:46 pm

It's too bad nightbeat's gun will look odd in combined mode.
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Re: New Generations Deluxe Wave 4 - Nightbeat Jhiaxus Windblade

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:47 pm

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njb902 wrote:It's too bad nightbeat's gun will look odd in combined mode.
Unless the spotlights combine with the gun to form a twin-cannon blaster or something. ;)
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