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Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

skidflap wrote:anyone notice that breakdown has a retool on his chest? Or is it an attachment?

That's his grill. Someone forgot to fold it in, if that's even possible considering how much extra plastic is on there compared to plain 'ol Breakdown.

His chest has been retooled with a new grill.

That's what I just said.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

skidflap wrote:anyone notice that breakdown has a retool on his chest? Or is it an attachment?

That's his grill. Someone forgot to fold it in, if that's even possible considering how much extra plastic is on there compared to plain 'ol Breakdown.

His chest has been retooled with a new grill.

That's what I just said.

Your wording read as though you were talking about his old grill.

Lavender Legion Vehicon, how odd.

The PCCs look pretty neat. Not import neat, but still neat.

necr0blivion wrote:I'm getting a Galvatron vs Ultra Magnus vibe from the "Tank Master vs Marine Master" set. Also, where's Fort Max's God Sword?!?!?!

Master Sword. Just like the one Link had.

And that image was based on the second batch of photos, as you can see Fortress holding what is supposed to be the actual Master Sword. The final set will come with it, as TOMY stated it is a 25th anniversary Headmasters piece.

*looks at Smokescreen*
Yeah, I think I'll be sticking to the Cyberverse version of Smokescreen...

Gundamu wrote:*looks at Smokescreen*
Yeah, I think I'll be sticking to the Cyberverse version of Smokescreen...

This is Japan. We might get our own mold.

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

skidflap wrote:anyone notice that breakdown has a retool on his chest? Or is it an attachment?

That's his grill. Someone forgot to fold it in, if that's even possible considering how much extra plastic is on there compared to plain 'ol Breakdown.

His chest has been retooled with a new grill.

That's what I just said.

Your wording read as though you were talking about his old grill.

How? I was responding to his comment on the retool on his chest. I even said mentioned how much extra plastic is on this grill compared to the old one.

PrymeStriker wrote:How? I was responding to his comment on the retool on his chest. I even said mentioned how much extra plastic is on this grill compared to the old one.

I mean, I thought you were refuting his inquiry about it being a new grill instead of the old grill. By "extra plastic", I though you meant Breakdown himself instead of just the grill.

This is what I have been trying to tell you about! (The Team sets)

We've know about the EZ 6 packs since August:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ets/25720/

Megatron Wolf wrote:Im sure this has been brought up before but why is Bluestreak called Smokescreen? Guess the same reason why Chromia is called Arcee, hasbro are morons. Or they did what they always do,slap the wrong name on a character to keep the trademark.

So let me get this straight.

- Hasbro starts a new Aligned Continuity and reinvents numerous characters. This was big news.

- Hasbro starts a new series called Transformers Prime, which has been mentioned here virtually every week for around two years.

- Takara Tomy joins in and changes the tone, which has them showing their recent release of "Arms Micron" figures and other items.

And yet, none of this matters because you assume that they made errors and Hasbro are idiots... Despite the fact that the photos shown are not from the Hasbro line? That is "very observant" of you.

Sarcasm aside, this incarnation of Arcee has been around since the debut of Transformers Prime. Smokescreen became a new recruit from the second half of season 2, and has been impressive ever since. And like another said, they are not aiming to remake Generation 1... They are continuing a tradition that was started with Car Robots, Micron Dentsu Trilogy, and so on.

I'm not entirely sure what I expected Smokescreen to look like knowing it was going to be a repaint of Knock Out, but it just makes me sad. It really strikes me as a figure of convenience rather than an intentional gift for the fans, like Kup/Ironhide. Hopefully Beast Hunters will bring with it a new mold that's even half as good as the Cyberverse one.

Bad times when I'd rather have one of those tasty PCC figures over a deluxe.

I didn't know Smokescreen was going to be a repaint, won't be getting him now unless Hasbro does something really special with their version.

Yes, it is disappointing to get a Knockout repaint... but if you are like me and still want this character on your shelf, the pre-order at Robot Kingdom is still available for $23.90 which puts it around $33 after shipping. Not bad if you ask me. His micron looks very cool. Given we've been told there are no more Deluxe class toys coming out before they get all Beasty next spring... this is the best we will get, The mold is wrong for show accuracy, but fine for the character. He's young, thin, and nimble. The mold is quite posable and while I don't care for how light it is... that's probably better for the durability of my display shelves. So that's a positive.

There's still no ruling out the possibility of a new mold Deluxe Smokescreen during Beast Hunters. They retooled Legion Knock Out in Cyberverse, so they might do something for the Deluxe as well.

That Bot wrote:There's still no ruling out the possibility of a new mold Deluxe Smokescreen during Beast Hunters. They retooled Legion Knock Out in Cyberverse, so they might do something for the Deluxe as well.

Legion Smokescreen is his own mold, not a retool of Legion Knock Out.

Sabrblade wrote:

That Bot wrote:There's still no ruling out the possibility of a new mold Deluxe Smokescreen during Beast Hunters. They retooled Legion Knock Out in Cyberverse, so they might do something for the Deluxe as well.

Legion Smokescreen is his own mold, not a retool of Legion Knock Out.

He is clearly Knock Out from the waist down.

That Bot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

That Bot wrote:There's still no ruling out the possibility of a new mold Deluxe Smokescreen during Beast Hunters. They retooled Legion Knock Out in Cyberverse, so they might do something for the Deluxe as well.

Legion Smokescreen is his own mold, not a retool of Legion Knock Out.

He is clearly Knock Out from the waist down.

He's not, they'd have the exact same design. Different design =/= retool.

That Bot wrote:He is clearly Knock Out from the waist down.

Define "clearly".


Them legs ain't the same mold. If they were, all that would be different would be the deco.

I think his point is the same as mine, that KO and Smokey have very similar legs. They don't have to be the same mold to be mind-blowingly similar.

Similar, yes. The same, no.

It's like how Energon Starscream was similar to but still different from G2 Smokescreen.

I seriously cannot be the only one that sees how glaringly similar these figures are. We've seen extensive retools before, and this is one. The details are different, but the shape and structure of the lower body is the same. One-piece legs that bend inwards at the knee, flat feet that are attached to the rear of the car (I'll acknowledge that Bumblebee also does this), a thin waist that's more like two perpendicular lines than a triangle like the other Legions. Smokescreen doesn't have the trunk of the car on the back of his legs, but that's because it's attached to his arms. The upper body has been restructured so Smokescreen can have the split hood and door wings. His arms still attach via the same odd right-angle hinges as Knock Out's and as best I can tell, his hood folds up and over in the same way as Knock Out's. Additionally, we've seen no other new Autobot or Decepticon molds from Beast Hunters yet, just extensive retoolings, and I'm not inclined to think that Smokescreen is the exception.

That Bot wrote:I seriously cannot be the only one that sees how glaringly similar these figures are. We've seen extensive retools before, and this is one.

No, Smokescreen is not an extensive retool of Knock Out. I get that they are similar, and I do agree, but they are not the same mold.

Additionally, we've seen no other new Autobot or Decepticon molds from Beast Hunters yet, just extensive retoolings, and I'm not inclined to think that Smokescreen is the exception.

Well, unless you count the Predacons, which are sort of Decepticons. Yet, it's been hinted that we'll be getting a Voyager Grimlock, and the mystery Voyager for Wave 1 I predict is Shockwave. Just because the first wave has no new 'bot and 'con molds doesn't mean that there won't be any in the line at all.

That Bot wrote:I seriously cannot be the only one that sees how glaringly similar these figures are. We've seen extensive retools before, and this is one. The details are different, but the shape and structure of the lower body is the same. One-piece legs that bend inwards at the knee, flat feet that are attached to the rear of the car (I'll acknowledge that Bumblebee also does this), a thin waist that's more like two perpendicular lines than a triangle like the other Legions. Smokescreen doesn't have the trunk of the car on the back of his legs, but that's because it's attached to his arms. The upper body has been restructured so Smokescreen can have the split hood and door wings. His arms still attach via the same odd right-angle hinges as Knock Out's and as best I can tell, his hood folds up and over in the same way as Knock Out's. Additionally, we've seen no other new Autobot or Decepticon molds from Beast Hunters yet, just extensive retoolings, and I'm not inclined to think that Smokescreen is the exception.

Just because they're similar, doesn't mean one is a "retool" of the other. Lots of molds share common features.

Retools on TFWiki, I'd suggest you giving that a look. As a rule of thumb, if two toys share 50% or more of the exact same parts, they're considered retools. Cannon Bumblebee straddles that line thanks to his legs.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Additionally, we've seen no other new Autobot or Decepticon molds from Beast Hunters yet, just extensive retoolings, and I'm not inclined to think that Smokescreen is the exception.

Well, unless you count the Predacons, which are sort of Decepticons. Yet, it's been hinted that we'll be getting a Voyager Grimlock, and the mystery Voyager for Wave 1 I predict is Shockwave. Just because the first wave has no new 'bot and 'con molds doesn't mean that there won't be any in the line at all.

If I was counting the Predacons as Decepticons, that would kind of contradict my own statement. I don't expect wave 1 to be indicative of the whole line, and I'll admit, you got me on the mystery Voyager. I forgot about that. So assuming it's Shockwave or Grimlock and not another Pred or Optimus/Megatron, that would be my theory, destroyed. Now that I've taken the time to analyze the two figures, I can see how many little details they've got different that point towards new mold rather than retool. I rest my case.

Back to my original statement: Hopefully we'll see one of the existing molds turned into a better Deluxe Smokescreen than Takara's, if Hasbro doesn't just flat-out make a new mold for him.