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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Yes. Legacy of Bumblebee Classic Bumblebee was just regular Classics Bumblebee with the white switched out for black, and grey for yellow. RtS Bumblebee has the movie inspired racing stripes. If you have the dough and patience, go for United: completely yellow and no chrome.

Ahh, yes...the other had the whole black back end. A quick google search or trip to the TF room woulda worked, but it was eaier to just pose the question. Thanks.

Caelus wrote:Clever - Maintaining two sublines means they get to keep two colors of packaging on the shelf, meaning we can't just ignore the old HftD figures, we have to rifle through them to find the RtS figures.

As to who and why, I'm guessing the reasoning was...

Scourge - he's unambiguously evil (being, essentially, a demon), and needs to aesthetically match Cyclonus and Galvatron released previously, so standard symbol. (Though a rubsign would have matched him to the Cyclonus Repaint).

Kup - His paint job is way to cheery to have an ambiguous faction, and he's too old to truck, with any of that gimmicky, sneaky stuff, so standard symbol.

Wreck-Gar - Not technically an Autobot anyway, so rubsign.

Bumblebee - Same figure has already been released with standard symbols a couple of times, and he's a spy, so rubsign.

Perceptor - I got nothing, but I like how you have to flip down his chest panel to rub the symbol.

Optimus Prime - The rubsign is just silly, though it will make sense for the Nemesis Prime repaint.

Perhaps the G2 Prime Repaint will be RID Scourge instead of Nemesis Prime and thus another reason to have G1 Scourge in a separate line so that when they do RID Scourge they can just use the name Scourge on the packaging.

I am definitely going to have to pick up each of these except Scourge (well.. maybe scourge.. don't like the wings though). I want Wheeljack and Jazz too if they ever bother coming out.

Honestly Hasbro being a US-based company you think they would have made much greater effort to get these into stores for Christmas. As it is, it is hard to find any store that carriers even Generations Wave 2 figures.

whacko wrote:I am definitely going to have to pick up each of these except Scourge (well.. maybe scourge.. don't like the wings though). I want Wheeljack and Jazz too if they ever bother coming out.

Honestly Hasbro being a US-based company you think they would have made much greater effort to get these into stores for Christmas. As it is, it is hard to find any store that carriers even Generations Wave 2 figures.

It's the stores ordering their product that's too blame, and the people not buying enough fast enough for the stores to bother ordering new stock.

T-Macksimus wrote:I have no issue with the fact that they brought back the old rub signs but what really gets me is them placing a deluxe class Optimus in this particular line up. There is no mystery whatsoever as to what is on his rub shield and also, he's a G2 design.

Oh really? Mo mystery whatsoever? I posed a theory when the RtS line was announced, that it'd be the perfect place to include Maximals, Predacons, Junkions and G2 (or any other faction they choose to include/create) characters, as they can surprise people a little, rather than giving away every single thing months before the toys come out.

Of course, I don't know if he has a G2 Autobot symbol under there. Honestly, that particular figure is a little underwhelming to me so I'll probably never find out in person, but there's certainly room for the possibility, no?

Now the rest of the figures:

Wreck-Gar - looks good, and I'm going to have to get him if only because he's one of the few TFs these days I see but can't immediately figure out the transformation. Yes, the face does look a bit too fleshy coloured, but I'm sure I can live with it.

Perceptor - looks pretty cool in robot mode. I don't hate the alt mode, but I don't like enough for me to buy the toy. I do like the chest gimmick.

Optimus Prime - yeah, looks like maybe a decent figure, but the paint isn't doing it for me. I may get the Nemesis Version.

Bumblebee - well, he looks ok. I already have the Classics one, so not keen on spending more money on another BB that doesn't look all that G1ish. If I didn't own the mold already, I'd get the United version, as is, I reckon I'll pass and make do.

Scourge - not really liking the alt mode, and the robot mode isn't all that great either, but I'll probably get him to go with Galvatron and Cyclonus. I do like the weapon. It's Fracas alright, he's just been tagged with some transfomation inhibitor so he doesn't run away.

Kup - oh he has far too many different shades of green. The colour on his head and wrists in particular really puts me off. The extortionately priced E-Hobby 3pack is looking a lot more interesting.

so hasbros Wreck-gar is the same as Takara's?? i can't really see any difference...it will save me $25 xD Wheeljack is a definite buy from both. I worried that hasbro will chance wheeljacks paint apps like they did with turbo tracks. Just got him in the mail on friday amazing figure as well as Skullgrin (he is def my fav from the new lines so far ) But can anyone confirm Wreck-Gar is the same Hasbro and Takara?

Mkall wrote:I'm never one to care about the box artwork, 98% of it ends up in the recycling bin anyways.

Ditto.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:I say quit complaining about why or why not a figure is in a certain line and just be glad we are getting these awesome figures in the first place.

Ditto.

My wallet is aching already. I want all of these except Bumblebee, I already have the first version, and it's enough for me.

These look great! All save BB are preordered, Scourge x3! Gotta have my Sweeps, after all.

whacko wrote:I am definitely going to have to pick up each of these except Scourge (well.. maybe scourge.. don't like the wings though). I want Wheeljack and Jazz too if they ever bother coming out.

wait what do u mean if jazz comes out?

Sideswipe 00 wrote: But can anyone confirm Wreck-Gar is the same Hasbro and Takara?

No, they're different. the first Takara images of Wreck-Gar were simply using the Hasbro images as placeholders. Then scans came up of this magazine;



You can see that Wreck-Gar's head is orange and has some other different miscellaneous paint applications.

The only boxarts I didn't exactly like were Wreck-Gar's and Optimus Prime's. It was just their faces I didn't like, but otherwise I like the figures. I'm really psyched about Scourge, Perceptor, Kup, and... um... Wreck-Gar, and... uh... Optimus Prime. Basically all of 'em 'cept BB. I already own the original colors, so a second one isn't much use to me. Wonder who's up next after these guys?

Personally speaking, I don't really care about the presence or absence of rubsigns, the names of the lines, or the card art. I can understand the gripes to an extent, but they're all extremely small issues to me. (And I honestly don't see how the card art for Kup or Scourge looks any crappier than the others.) I'm just happy to finally have good versions of most of these characters.

Caelus wrote:Clever - Maintaining two sublines means they get to keep two colors of packaging on the shelf, meaning we can't just ignore the old HftD figures, we have to rifle through them to find the RtS figures.

As to who and why, I'm guessing the reasoning was...

Scourge - he's unambiguously evil (being, essentially, a demon), and needs to aesthetically match Cyclonus and Galvatron released previously, so standard symbol. (Though a rubsign would have matched him to the Cyclonus Repaint).

Kup - His paint job is way to cheery to have an ambiguous faction, and he's too old to truck, with any of that gimmicky, sneaky stuff, so standard symbol.

Wreck-Gar - Not technically an Autobot anyway, so rubsign.

Bumblebee - Same figure has already been released with standard symbols a couple of times, and he's a spy, so rubsign.

Perceptor - I got nothing, but I like how you have to flip down his chest panel to rub the symbol.

Optimus Prime - The rubsign is just silly, though it will make sense for the Nemesis Prime repaint.

It is pretty easy to understand why Hasbro is doing the RTS series. Rub signs are catchy and most 10 year olds haven't heard of Scourge, Perceptor, Kup, Wreckgar, etc so it adds a new twist.


Regarding their final in package paint details -

Hasbro's Perceptor bites compared to the white trim detail that Takara is offering. Wreckgar's axehead should have been the same color as the other wheels. And what's going with Kup's two tone green? Sloppy....


CP, I'm on the wagon with you - holding out for Takara's version.

Okay I hate the new rub signs. The old ones looked alot better with the white box surrounding the sign. Without the white, they look like a big black blemish. Also note that on G1 figures the rub sign was usually a secondary faction sign on a shoulder, leg, vechicle mode, etc. Only mini-sized figures got just a rub sign. All larger figures had a colored faction decal on the primary chest or arm area in robot mode. Without it they look naked.

I want all these figures. Glad they are re-releasing Bee cause I missed out on him the first time. I might get the united version as well to be Goldbug. I think I saw something showing deluxe G1 Optimus and Voyager G1 megatron being re-released in the United line. Anyone know if those are coming to the US too ???

Rated X, I don't know if the Deluxe Prime or Voyager Megatron will be coming out from Hasbro US. Megatron's unlikely, unless they radically alter his colour scheme. So I'm guessing no on that one. Prime's a possibility, but most people will tell you not to bother with it and hunt down the Voyager version either from Classics or Henkei. Personally, I quite liked him, for robot mode, anyway.

looks like United Jazz and Whelljack are gettin painted wheels! Awesome, glad i got those pre-ordered. And Jazz looks like he has his rear windshield painted blue.
Yea that rub sign on Wreck-gar is tottaly coming off. I dont think i'm gonna put any faction symbol on him, hes a junkion. Prefer if he stayed sorta on his own.

MINDVVIPE wrote:looks like United Jazz and Whelljack are gettin painted wheels! Awesome, glad i got those pre-ordered. And Jazz looks like he has his rear windshield painted blue.
Yea that rub sign on Wreck-gar is tottaly coming off. I dont think i'm gonna put any faction symbol on him, hes a junkion. Prefer if he stayed sorta on his own.

what if the rub-sign is a Junkion faction symbol? (unlikely, I know, but...)

craggy wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:looks like United Jazz and Whelljack are gettin painted wheels! Awesome, glad i got those pre-ordered. And Jazz looks like he has his rear windshield painted blue.
Yea that rub sign on Wreck-gar is tottaly coming off. I dont think i'm gonna put any faction symbol on him, hes a junkion. Prefer if he stayed sorta on his own.

what if the rub-sign is a Junkion faction symbol? (unlikely, I know, but...)

There is such a thing? is it just a trash can? hehe. If it were though, i'd prefer to move the sign to somewhere else. Its right on the windshield, so it seems kinda stupid there.

two quick things

1: anyone else think that since wreck gars head is sticking out of the bottom, he'll have no trouble backing up?

2: dear hasbro, give us a Reveal The Shield Thundercracker and Skywarp (this time no exclusives, mass retail only)

anyone agree?

Galvatrondestroyer wrote:2: dear hasbro, give us a Reveal The Shield Thundercracker and Skywarp (this time no exclusives, mass retail only)

anyone agree?

It'd be nice. I'd even settle for a 3 pack with another Seeker. Starscream seems the obvious choice, but maybe Ramjet would be better?

craggy wrote:

Galvatrondestroyer wrote:2: dear hasbro, give us a Reveal The Shield Thundercracker and Skywarp (this time no exclusives, mass retail only)

anyone agree?

It'd be nice. I'd even settle for a 3 pack with another Seeker. Starscream seems the obvious choice, but maybe Ramjet would be better?

ramjet would be nice but id have to pass unless they actually give him small missles so he'd fit in with my dirge and thrust a bit better...what would be cool however is if it was a secret figure exclusive only to the three pack...and i would love if it was a reveal the shield Blitzwing! Perfect way to hit die hard con fans that skipped on the henkei and exclusives of the two missing seekers and finishing off some peoples triple changer cons.

A classics Blitzwing is sooooo over due.

MINDVVIPE wrote:A classics Blitzwing is sooooo over due.

agreed my friend, agreed

we should petition hasbro to make the three pack a reality because i personally would LOVE to finish those two collections.

Not a bad idea, haha. I don't have Starscream, Thundercracker or Skywarp, so I wouldn't mind at all. Although I'd rather have Blitzwing over any other Decepticon right about now. I've never been a fan of Starscream, so in my TF universe, Megatron finally removed him.