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Pretender Skywarp wrote:Ii think the issue is that as someone already mentioned, he has no obvious prior "counterpart".

Well, Knock Out has prior counterparts; just not in G1. Unless you do count Micromaster Knockout (as I like to).

He had an Armada show appearance and a toy.



Then as a repainted Rollout.



ROTF Knock Out got the comic treatment complete with a toy.



And once more in Speed Stars before Transformers Prime

PrymeStriker wrote:

Pretender Skywarp wrote:Ii think the issue is that as someone already mentioned, he has no obvious prior "counterpart".

Well, Knock Out has prior counterparts; just not in G1. Unless you do count Micromaster Knockout (as I like to).

Which you shouldn't. None them are a red sportscar or a medic, and what's in a name? Would you consider Armada Smokescreen to be a new version of G1 Smokescreen?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Pretender Skywarp wrote:Ii think the issue is that as someone already mentioned, he has no obvious prior "counterpart".

Well, Knock Out has prior counterparts; just not in G1. Unless you do count Micromaster Knockout (as I like to).

Which you shouldn't. None them are a red sportscar or a medic, and what's in a name? Would you consider Armada Smokescreen to be a new version of G1 Smokescreen?

Yes, I would. I don't understand, if they don't look the same in every one of their incarnations, they're not worthy of being an earlier incardination?

No, they are not the same character. They're obviously from different continuities. They still have the names of "Knock Out" and "Smokescreen" applied to them.

PrymeStriker wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Pretender Skywarp wrote:Ii think the issue is that as someone already mentioned, he has no obvious prior "counterpart".

Well, Knock Out has prior counterparts; just not in G1. Unless you do count Micromaster Knockout (as I like to).

Which you shouldn't. None them are a red sportscar or a medic, and what's in a name? Would you consider Armada Smokescreen to be a new version of G1 Smokescreen?

Yes, I would. I don't understand, if they don't look the same in every one of their incarnations, they're not worthy of being an earlier incardination?

The word is "incarnation", and no. To me, a name is more than just a monicker, it's part of the character and the traits it should possess. Smokescreen, at least to me. has to be a red and blue race car to qualify, Ratchet has to be an ambulance or medic, Starscream has to be a jet and a schemer, etc.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Pretender Skywarp wrote:Ii think the issue is that as someone already mentioned, he has no obvious prior "counterpart".

Well, Knock Out has prior counterparts; just not in G1. Unless you do count Micromaster Knockout (as I like to).

Which you shouldn't. None them are a red sportscar or a medic, and what's in a name? Would you consider Armada Smokescreen to be a new version of G1 Smokescreen?

Yes, I would. I don't understand, if they don't look the same in every one of their incarnations, they're not worthy of being an earlier incardination?

The word is "incarnation", and no.

Why didn't my spell check pick that up like it did the first time?

To me, a name is more than just a monicker,

Moniker.

it's part of the character and the traits it should possess. Smokescreen, at least to me. has to be a red and blue race car to qualify, Ratchet has to be an ambulance or medic, Starscream has to be a jet and a schemer, etc.

Yes, but Knock Out's traits in Transformers Prime are completely new. This is not the first time Knock Out has been in a cartoon or Transformers fiction. Regardless to which characteristic of Knock Out a fan favors, there have been previous incarnations of Knock Out, and that won't change.

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ya know he might look more appealing if it did not look like a drunk person transformed him.

Doubledealer93 wrote:ya know he might look more appealing if it did not look like a drunk person transformed him.

Whats more suprising is that its from BBTS, a store dedicated to toys.

starwarrior1227 wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:ya know he might look more appealing if it did not look like a drunk person transformed him.

Whats more suprising is that its from BBTS, a store dedicated to toys.

i know right? thats depressing. but regardless the colors look great and i wish i could get one.

Doubledealer93 wrote:

starwarrior1227 wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:ya know he might look more appealing if it did not look like a drunk person transformed him.

Whats more suprising is that its from BBTS, a store dedicated to toys.

i know right? thats depressing. but regardless the colors look great and i wish i could get one.

That...makes one of us...

Really like the colors, may have to change my mind and try to get this.

starwarrior1227 wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:ya know he might look more appealing if it did not look like a drunk person transformed him.

Whats more suprising is that its from BBTS, a store dedicated to toys.

As strange as it may sound, that's how the instructions tell you how to transform the arms. The instructions!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

starwarrior1227 wrote:

Doubledealer93 wrote:ya know he might look more appealing if it did not look like a drunk person transformed him.

Whats more suprising is that its from BBTS, a store dedicated to toys.

As strange as it may sound, that's how the instructions tell you how to transform the arms. The instructions!

YA but u think BBTS would know right off the bat that that is not how it should look and ATLEAST look at a video review to see how a fan(Mind u THE MAIN BUYERS FOR THESE FIGURES) would transform him.

WTF, they couldn't even be bothered to fold back the waist pieces or straighten the cattle prod?

Anyway, the colors look great.

Hell no.

PrymeStriker wrote:Hell no.

YA!, im not the only one hating the scheme.
(and im sure the REAL KO would agree)

ya know, with a BB head and a bit of yellow he could be a waspinator