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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:01 pm

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I just caught something:

Way back when, in episode 36 in Season 2, Church said they may have to get rid of Lopez, because Lopez was learning to resist possession.

Lopez was a robot, who's to say he didn't start a firewall program?
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Psycho Warrior » Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:04 am

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Shadowman wrote:I just caught something:

Way back when, in episode 36 in Season 2, Church said they may have to get rid of Lopez, because Lopez was learning to resist possession.

Lopez was a robot, who's to say he didn't start a firewall program?

it's difficult to say. One theory is that everyone in the gulch is an AI. a flawed theory sure but nothing's air tight in RvB's storyline.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:31 am

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Psycho Warrior wrote:
Shadowman wrote:I just caught something:

Way back when, in episode 36 in Season 2, Church said they may have to get rid of Lopez, because Lopez was learning to resist possession.

Lopez was a robot, who's to say he didn't start a firewall program?

it's difficult to say. One theory is that everyone in the gulch is an AI. a flawed theory sure but nothing's air tight in RvB's storyline.


At this point, I think they're trying for as much consistency as possible. Also, Caboose has blood, and while Simmons is mostly cyborg, Grif is all human. (With most of Simmon's organs)
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby UltraPrimal » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:50 pm

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Ah, but your forgetting 1 thing. Red vs Blue is a comedy. Comedies don't have do consistent to be funny. :P Maybe in the next episode, they'll say, "Just kidding!"
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby The Happy Locust » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:43 pm

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The Happy Locust wrote:The flaws I can't figure out are: If there's no such things as Ghosts, then does that mean Tex is an AI too? And if so, how could both Omega and Tex inhabit the same body without realizing that Tex is an AI, or even have room for both minds?


It's likely that Tex had died and stayed dead when Donut killed her. Church, who still cared for Tex, unknowingly copied himself, with his memories of her, both as a way to cope with the loss, and to rationalize his own state of being.

There's no way of saying if Omega actually affected Tex, all that was heard was simply laughing. She would either have been destroyed by Gamma or Omega before or after Sheila crashes, or absorbed into the Meta. That would explain why Church couldn't find her.


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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Psycho Warrior » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:35 pm

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well one thing: no one ever explained what the AI want the meta for. I'm still waiting to see what comes up
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:48 pm

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The Happy Locust wrote:The flaws I can't figure out are: If there's no such things as Ghosts, then does that mean Tex is an AI too? And if so, how could both Omega and Tex inhabit the same body without realizing that Tex is an AI, or even have room for both minds?


It's likely that Tex had died and stayed dead when Donut killed her. Church, who still cared for Tex, unknowingly copied himself, with his memories of her, both as a way to cope with the loss, and to rationalize his own state of being.

There's no way of saying if Omega actually affected Tex, all that was heard was simply laughing. She would either have been destroyed by Gamma or Omega before or after Sheila crashes, or absorbed into the Meta. That would explain why Church couldn't find her.


My votes for the "She's an AI too and currently absorbed by the meta" theory.


Here's another fun idea:

Church was stationed at Sidewinder before Blood Gulch. Tex killed all of the other Blues, but otherwise left Church alone, and he didn't know why.

I'd say Omega caught word about the Alpha being a Blue on Sidewinder, and had Tex start a massacre to weed out Alpha, but Tex was pulled out early, and Church was moved to Blood Gulch.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:13 am

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TUCKER!!! does not appear in person. He does have a somewhat lengthy conversation with Grif over radio, who he doesn't recognize, and apparently something Command was looking for was "under the sand."

He also says his catchphrase, and if you don't know what his catchphrase is by now, I won't tell you.

Church, as usual, believes everything Wash says is Bullshit. Wash, on the other hand, mentions how the Director and the Counselor always treated Tex specially, and that there was something different about her he couldn't place down.

The "She's an AI and absorbed by the Meta" theory seems pretty reasonable now.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby UltraPrimal » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:14 am

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I hope we get to see Tucker and what's under the sand.

Did anyone else think their colors were off this episode? Sarge is red, Simmons is crimson, and Griff is orange. That's how they're supposed to be. But in this episode Sarge was crimson, Simmons was purple(like Doc), and Griff was yellow(like Sis). I thought I missed an episode and Doc and Sis somehow got to command.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:40 am

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I hope we get to see Tucker and what's under the sand.

Did anyone else think their colors were off this episode? Sarge is red, Simmons is crimson, and Griff is orange. That's how they're supposed to be. But in this episode Sarge was crimson, Simmons was purple(like Doc), and Griff was yellow(like Sis). I thought I missed an episode and Doc and Sis somehow got to command.


It's just the lighting on the map they used. I think they'd be able to catch it if they used the wrong characters.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Psycho Warrior » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:09 pm

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I hope we get to see Tucker and what's under the sand.

Did anyone else think their colors were off this episode? Sarge is red, Simmons is crimson, and Griff is orange. That's how they're supposed to be. But in this episode Sarge was crimson, Simmons was purple(like Doc), and Griff was yellow(like Sis). I thought I missed an episode and Doc and Sis somehow got to command.

It's because of the lighting in the room. in the first few eps of RvB made with halo 2 Tucker looked like he was the same color as church.

But as for my suspicions now, I think that Tex is the alpha, it would make sense why Omega was always going after her, why she'd be getting special treatment, why she can kick everything's ass, and it would make sense to pair the alpha with omega.

I hope Tucker comes in soon He's bound to have some stories to tell since his desertion.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby The Happy Locust » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:00 pm

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UltraPrimal wrote:Boom Chicka Bum Bum!

I hope we get to see Tucker and what's under the sand.

Did anyone else think their colors were off this episode? Sarge is red, Simmons is crimson, and Griff is orange. That's how they're supposed to be. But in this episode Sarge was crimson, Simmons was purple(like Doc), and Griff was yellow(like Sis). I thought I missed an episode and Doc and Sis somehow got to command.

It's because of the lighting in the room. in the first few eps of RvB made with halo 2 Tucker looked like he was the same color as church.

But as for my suspicions now, I think that Tex is the alpha, it would make sense why Omega was always going after her, why she'd be getting special treatment, why she can kick everything's ass, and it would make sense to pair the alpha with omega.

I hope Tucker comes in soon He's bound to have some stories to tell since his desertion.



Hmm... So Tucker's become a special agent for Command? that's a twist I didn't see coming (admittedly nothing in the conversation supports this theory but I think it has merit).

About time Tucker got back on the show in some form. I wonder if he got partnered with Donut for that mission. :-?

I still say Tex is an AI, but I don't think she'd be the alpha. If she was, the other AIs would be feeling a lot less fragmented and violent than they're currently acting. I'm thinking Tex and Omega are the Alpha's Violence and Rage, respectively. Church could be the alpha, if only because he denies it so vehemently ("he doth protest too much").

Here's my alpha theory. The alpha was copied off a real person, who for the sake of argument was named Church. After the AI was fractured into multiple AIs, the Alpha mind was left as a completely blank entity save for it's latent memories of it's human originator. The alpha, having lost all parts of it's AI form, rebuilt the latent memories into a working real memory and became an idealized copy of the original Church (which would explain why the less than ideal world ticks him off so much).
the final twist will be when the "real" church shows up.


The only depressing thing now is that they're already promoting the RVB Reconstruction DVD. Ep 17 already? just 2 more eps and this season's over. :sad:
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Psycho Warrior » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:57 pm

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The Happy Locust wrote:I still say Tex is an AI, but I don't think she'd be the alpha. If she was, the other AIs would be feeling a lot less fragmented and violent than they're currently acting. I'm thinking Tex and Omega are the Alpha's Violence and Rage, respectively. Church could be the alpha, if only because he denies it so vehemently ("he doth protest too much").

If I had to guess what Tex is a fragment of (if she isn't the alpha or a copy thereof) she'd have to be his sense of duty. (hee hee... duty) She was about to trade everything to win the war in ep 100, even give up her grudge with o'malley and work with him.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:06 pm

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Good news!

While Reconstruction ends at episode 19, (For you people who pay attention, 19 episodes is the length of a standard RvB season) this still isn't the end RvB.

After Reconstruction, there will be "random weekly videos," after a few weeks downtime. Following this, there will be two mini-series, and then an "extended" series to follow-up Reconstruction. The extended series will apparently begin in Spring.

So...don't expect Reconstruction to finish the way you think it will. And I'd bet money RECON will be involved at some point.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby UltraPrimal » Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:07 pm

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I'd like to see all the characters get different armor. If they all had to pick new armor when they got reassigned, why would the pick the same suits? I imagine Sarge as an EOD kind of guy.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:41 am

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UltraPrimal wrote:I'd like to see all the characters get different armor. If they all had to pick new armor when they got reassigned, why would the pick the same suits? I imagine Sarge as an EOD kind of guy.


Church, of course, because he's inhabiting a robot body, didn't switch. I assume everyone else is too lazy or stupid to switch. Caboose is so dumb, he switched to an older version of his armor. Though we haven't seen if Tucker has gotten new armor yet, and since he's working for Command, that's probably a fair bet.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Psycho Warrior » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:13 am

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UltraPrimal wrote:I'd like to see all the characters get different armor. If they all had to pick new armor when they got reassigned, why would the pick the same suits? I imagine Sarge as an EOD kind of guy.


Church, of course, because he's inhabiting a robot body, didn't switch. I assume everyone else is too lazy or stupid to switch. Caboose is so dumb, he switched to an older version of his armor. Though we haven't seen if Tucker has gotten new armor yet, and since he's working for Command, that's probably a fair bet.

It's possible that since he was wearign his dead captian's armor that it was taken away and he got a new set for himself.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:25 am

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Psycho Warrior wrote:It's possible that since he was wearign his dead captian's armor that it was taken away and he got a new set for himself.


That makes sense. He only took Flowers' armor because he didn't like Standard Issue Blue. (which Grif and Simmons noted that Standard Issue Red/Blue are for Rookies and Officers) It's likely that he'd get his own set of armor that didn't have a corpse in it at one point.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby UltraPrimal » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:22 pm

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I bet Tucker will have the Hayabusa armor with the Katana. If Tex comes back, she'll probably have the Rogue helmet.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

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UltraPrimal wrote:I bet Tucker will have the Hayabusa armor with the Katana. If Tex comes back, she'll probably have the Rogue helmet.

I don't think Tex will be coming back soon. But I was about to say the hayabusa armor fits tucker wonderfully.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:53 pm

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OUTSTANDING twist!

Things seem set up for the Valhalla Chronicles, with the Reds being given the Red Base in Valhalla, and Caboose, with Epsilon and Tex's body, taking refuge in Blue Base.

It's kind of sad to admit, but I don't think Church, or at least Church as we know him, survived the Emp.

Though the real kicker was the last spoken words, where the Director gives his name: Dr. Leonard Church. Tex was based either on the memories of a loved one who had died, or the loved one's mind itself, explaining why she received such special treatment, and Church/Alpha's attraction to her.

Caboose comes off very differently in this. He shows Genuine concern for Church, and a distinct skill for driving the Warthog, even out-driving the Reds, who have had more experience with the jeep than he ever had. He also appears to know what he's doing with Epsilon and Tex.

Really that thing with the Director was awesome.


What an ending, though. Can't wait for the next series!

EDIT:

The series now seems to fit in with the normal Halo Universe. The Reds were granted use of Valhalla by the UNSC, which they didn't recognize. This follows with all the references to the Great War, which was likely the Human-Covenant War.

This gives me the suspicious idea that the thing Command was looking for "Under the sand" may have been the Slipspace generator to the Ark, located in the desert neat Mount Kilimanjaro. If that were true, Tucker's request for Back-up would likely be to combat the Covenant and Flood in the area.
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Shadowman » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:17 am

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And I know this is a double post, but this is definitely worth mentioning:

Red vs. Blue: Animated.

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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby UltraPrimal » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:33 am

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That was awesome! Both the episode and that movie clip. That is just a clip, right? Not the whole movie. I said they should make a movie. Looks like RvB might get a movie before Halo actually does. :P

It's kind of ovious, but I thought I'd point it out anyway. Looks like Caboose is gonna try to use Tex's body and Epsilon(the Memory AI) to "reconstruct" Church. I wonder how that will pan out.

And one more thing:
TEAMS!
TEAMS!
They gotta get Tucker back now so it can be the original 3 on 3. :D
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Re: New Red vs Blue series!

Postby Psycho Warrior » Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:14 pm

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Shadowman wrote:What an ending, though. Can't wait for the next series!

I hope it comes soon. Recon was great, even if my favorite character (AI church) is dead. Can't wait to see what caboose does with epsilon and church's body. and if Tex will show up.

But questions remain:

Did Tex get absorbed by the meta? Was she even a fragment of church? Will tucker appear later? Did he find his kid? Did wash survive? Did Agent Maine recover once the AI were gone? Will sister and Lopez be transfered to Valhalla? What about the Vic AI? And where the hell is Donut!?
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