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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Flashwave » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:46 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And it's TakaraTomy throwing the curve ball this time around. In fact, a Classics-style mold in a mostly WFC/FOC-based line? They've got a nice sized gearbox. :lol:

Thing is, this will influence my decision of a humanoid Ratbat: the Universe 2008 one, based on Cybertron Sideways, or this one?

Doesn't anybody find it ironic Ratbat's now really connected to Scourge via BotCon 2009 Scourge? ;)

:D
Now thats another Cybertron mold I would like, especially in the Ratbat deco! :D
Seems we are starting to see more and more originally smaller character from the animal community being given a humanoid body to play with?
Ravage, Laserbeak, Ratbat! Any more? ;)


But wasn't the last gumanoid ravage in Alternators? Or am I missing a figure somewhere?

See, I got all psyched up when I found the ratbat & Frenzy Enemy FOC pack because he had thecurved cdplayer wings from the IDW series. And as soon as you stretch the spring soit still provides tension on the neck and lets his head point down, he's an awesome little Ratbat. i've got the 08 Ratbat, and I really like this one's head better, but this isn't a bad figure, either. I think I may just has tofigureout who Ratbat is and go from there.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Samsonator » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:16 pm

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I have been waiting for that Senator Ratbat figure since Scourge's instructions were first shown... it's about damn time, and I hope I can get one! :grin:
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Sinnertwin » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:05 pm

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With respect to the mold itself, I've always preferred taking the wings off and reattaching them so they point up ala the G1 Seekers
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:07 pm

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Sinnertwin wrote:With respect to the mold itself, I've always preferred taking the wings off and reattaching them so they point up ala the G1 Seekers


You could do that? Never knew that was possible. Of course, never thought of making Scourge more Seeker-esque.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Sinnertwin » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:17 pm

Motto: "Take the foolish path, it's much more fun."
Weapon: Sawed-Off C02 Shotgun
Mindmaster wrote:
Sinnertwin wrote:With respect to the mold itself, I've always preferred taking the wings off and reattaching them so they point up ala the G1 Seekers


You could do that? Never knew that was possible. Of course, never thought of making Scourge more Seeker-esque.


They're on a removable hinge joint. A bit fiddley but achievable. Makes him look more :evil:
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:18 pm

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Sinnertwin wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
Sinnertwin wrote:With respect to the mold itself, I've always preferred taking the wings off and reattaching them so they point up ala the G1 Seekers


You could do that? Never knew that was possible. Of course, never thought of making Scourge more Seeker-esque.


They're on a removable hinge joint. A bit fiddley but achievable. Makes him look more :evil:


Now that I think of it, I was fiddling with my Scourge when one of his wings popped off his hinge. I reattached it and thought nothing of it. >:oP
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby NTESHFT » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:53 pm

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Mindmaster wrote:Anyone else thinking "Mindwipe" when looking at that Ratbat? Because I am! :grin:

If I import or if Hasbro is smart, release him stateside, he will be repurposed as Mindwipe. >:oP



My thoughts exactly. Hopefully Hasbro will release him. This one looks nice. He may end up being one of my favorite repaints/retools.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:59 pm

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Mindmaster wrote:Anyone else thinking "Mindwipe" when looking at that Ratbat? Because I am! :grin:

If I import or if Hasbro is smart, release him stateside, he will be repurposed as Mindwipe. >:oP



My thoughts exactly. Hopefully Hasbro will release him. This one looks nice. He may end up being one of my favorite repaints/retools.


I'm looking forward to him. Not looking forward to paying $25+. Like MP Soundwave, I'm waiting several months for Hasbro to call off their bluff before I bite the bullet and import.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby robotmel » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:08 pm

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Flashwave wrote:But wasn't the last gumanoid ravage in Alternators? Or am I missing a figure somewhere?

:D
Yep, thats whom I was referring to! ;)

I guess it would make more sense to Hasbro/Takara to change those old animal Transformers into humanoid/vehicle bots to give them more of a selling chance and leave the animal bots to 3rd Partys to play with for a while?
A Transformer will sell more using the traditional aesthetic than an animal orientation. >:oP
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Nemesis Destron » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:09 pm

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I will wait for more pics on Grimlock to make a sure choice. But can someone explain this "Senator Ratbat" to me please? I'm not getting it and I haven't followed the books in a long time. :VEHI:
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:22 pm

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Nemesis Destron wrote:I will wait for more pics on Grimlock to make a sure choice. But can someone explain this "Senator Ratbat" to me please? I'm not getting it and I haven't followed the books in a long time. :VEHI:


It's in IDW comics. Long ago, Ratbat had a humanoid robot mode and was part of the Senate. He merely monitored news feeds and was a grand manipulator for the sake of profits. However, after a betrayal by Soundwave his spark was transferred to his current smaller form.

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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:23 pm

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Nemesis Destron wrote:But can someone explain this "Senator Ratbat" to me please? I'm not getting it and I haven't followed the books in a long time. :VEHI:


In the IDW continuity of Generation 1, Ratbat was a fairly humanoid Cybertronian senator (hence the name "Senator Ratbat") that funded Megatron's underground gladiator arena. You can read more at TFWiki's page on Ratbat, under the IDW Generation 1 section.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Janus Prime » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:28 pm

Yes, we first learned about this new head over 2 years ago. I guess the only ones that still are unaccounted for are Lugnut´s and Warpath´s alternate heads.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:31 pm

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Janus Prime wrote:Yes, we first learned about this new head over 2 years ago. I guess the only ones that still are unaccounted for are Lugnut´s and Warpath´s alternate heads.


Lugnut? From Reveal the Shield? I don't remember that one.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:54 pm

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>Senator Ratbat

I never buy United overpriced repaints.

That is, until SENATOR MOTHER LOVING RATBAT came along.

So...
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:02 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:That is, until SENATOR MOTHER LOVING RATBAT came along.


Reminds of Samuel Jackson. Can't say "Samuel Jackson" without a "bleepin'" in the middle. Samuel bleepin' Jackson. Senator bleepin' Ratbat... :-?
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:03 pm

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omagod, Senator Ratbat there is probably one of the prettiest repaints i've ever seen.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:14 pm

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Rated X wrote:Honestly, I cant say Im a big fan of Senator Ratbat, Energon Ravage, or any other animal character getting re-purposed as a humaniod robot that talks.
Yet, the very first portrayal of all of Soundwave's animal minions had them speaking before they even first appeared in the cartoon. ;)

Not to mention that the cartoon had other animal characters who spoke (Dinobots, Insecticons, Predacons, Terrorcons, Horrorcons, Decepticon Headmasters, Trypticon, Sky-Lynx, Ramhorn, etc). Ravage himself even spoke in the third G1 episode. ;)

robotmel wrote:Now thats another Cybertron mold I would like, especially in the Ratbat deco! :D
But it was. Universe (2008) Ratbat:

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Flashwave wrote:But wasn't the last gumanoid ravage in Alternators? Or am I missing a figure somewhere?

:D
Yep, thats whom I was referring to! ;)

I guess it would make more sense to Hasbro/Takara to change those old animal Transformers into humanoid/vehicle bots to give them more of a selling chance and leave the animal bots to 3rd Partys to play with for a while?
A Transformer will sell more using the traditional aesthetic than an animal orientation. >:oP
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Though, in Alternators Battle Ravage's case, he was Beast Wars Ravage, so it made sense for him to be two-legged.

The later Alternators "Decepticon Ravage" that turned into a Jaguar car, however, was four-legged and represented G1 Ravage. ;)
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Autobot032 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:13 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:*sighs* Can no one transform that wing/cape assembly properly? Yeesh. Still, Ratbat is a great redeco for that mold. Especially with the wings transformed properly. Smooth move, TakaraTomy. Smooth indeed. Grimlock, you suck. Get off my screen.


Everybody likes the wings tilted down to resemble G1 Scourge. If the transformation only allowed the "proper" straight winged look the figure would have been an epic fail.

On Ratbat, it's a big maybe. I kind of like the Target repaint better. That mold makes the character more unique while this mold really just makes him a purple Scourge.


Oh, no no. I mean the wings being open. They open to reveal a compartment to hold his weapons, as we all know. However, there's another hinge wrapped around the hinge that opens the compartments. Push on it, leave the compartments open, and you have Scourge's full cape. Scourge always had a cape made out of his wings.

As seen here:

This is Scourge as we're given: http://myanimeshelf.com/upload/dynamic/ ... 30/s21.jpg
These are the hinges I'm talking about: http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/ga ... gsopen.jpg
This is Scourge with his wings correctly transformed: (this would work even better with Ratbat) http://media.photobucket.com/image/rece ... 001-24.jpg

Which looks like these two: http://media.photobucket.com/image/rece ... e01b-1.jpg

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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby RiddlerJ » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:55 pm

That Ratbat repaint is nice, but I already have two Ratbats for my classicverse shelf (the Universe and Generations versions).

If I picked up this one, I would have to find some kind of insect head and make the figure into Bugly.

Janus Prime wrote:Yes, we first learned about this new head over 2 years ago. I guess the only ones that still are unaccounted for are Lugnut´s and Warpath´s alternate heads.


I remember those. People thought that Lugnut might possibly be repainted into Omega Supreme while I think it's been confirmed that Warpath will be redone as Hardhead.

Personally, I would like to see Warpath redone as G1 Treadshot or Gutcruncher (like the legends version was) and Lugnut as a humanoid version of Sky Lynx. It could work if they gave him a lynxesque head. I can't imagine who else it could be made into.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Hotrodimust » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:02 am

Autobot032 wrote:*sighs* Can no one transform that wing/cape assembly properly? Yeesh. Still, Ratbat is a great redeco for that mold. Especially with the wings transformed properly. Smooth move, TakaraTomy. Smooth indeed. Grimlock, you suck. Get off my screen.

Lol it's the whole reason the wings seperate :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Flashwave » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:55 am

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Flashwave wrote:But wasn't the last gumanoid ravage in Alternators? Or am I missing a figure somewhere?

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Yep, thats whom I was referring to! ;)

I guess it would make more sense to Hasbro/Takara to change those old animal Transformers into humanoid/vehicle bots to give them more of a selling chance and leave the animal bots to 3rd Partys to play with for a while?
A Transformer will sell more using the traditional aesthetic than an animal orientation. >:oP
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Nah, I don't think that's it, so much as they neededrepaint fodder and the Decepticons were lacking. As you may recall, we got a Jaguar Jaguar a few months later complete with Ravage's rear missiles, which awesomely will fold out under the car mode. And he sold just fine. (the older fig was reprurposed then as BW Ravage, who was bipedal more on account of upgrades and having a Jag beast mode)

Also, don't foget the Terrorcons, ROTF Ravage, DOTM, Laserbeak, Scorponok, And we're getting Beast Formers right now. The animals do sell, it comes more down to what homage they were planning to do and can they get a head on the figure?

Although, In Ratbat's case, i think it was more that someone felt like an animal mode was too primitve and that cybertron would have been beastist to tranformers with lessthanhumanoid bot modes. So Ratty got a face.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Janus Prime » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:32 pm

RiddlerJ wrote:
Janus Prime wrote:Yes, we first learned about this new head over 2 years ago. I guess the only ones that still are unaccounted for are Lugnut´s and Warpath´s alternate heads.


I remember those. People thought that Lugnut might possibly be repainted into Omega Supreme while I think it's been confirmed that Warpath will be redone as Hardhead.

Personally, I would like to see Warpath redone as G1 Treadshot or Gutcruncher (like the legends version was) and Lugnut as a humanoid version of Sky Lynx. It could work if they gave him a lynxesque head. I can't imagine who else it could be made into.


I´m not sure if Hardhead is confirmed, but it would be a nice addition. Lugnut is still a mistery, I just don´t know what character he might represent, maybe it´s Omega, maybe not.
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Re: New Takara Transformers Generations Preorders: TG19 Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and TG20 Ratbat

Postby Sodan-1 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:42 pm

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Rather undecided on Grimlock. Takara's doesn't look significantly different from the Hasbro version to bother with it.

Ratbat is a pass. That head doesn't even look THAT Ratbat-ty.
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"Dark Scorponok"
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Posted: Monday, April 7th, 2014