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OK, so Ratbat does look good, and thanks to those who posted the images from the IDW comics I now see how this is Ratbat. But I can't look at it without seeing Scourge, and having troop built the Generations figure I think I'm done spending money on this mold.

As for Grimlock, I do prefer Takara's version over Hasbro's, but I'm still not sold on the mold as a whole. I'll grab him if he goes on clearance.

I like the Ratbat repaint a lot, which is ironic, since I actually passed on the original Scourge toy. He looks perfectly at home with my G1/WFC/FOC collection. Love the head sculpt.

As for Grimlock, I think I'll get the Hasbro version and "pimp him out" with metallic red, silver and gold paint from a rattle can--that way, I can save some cash instead of getting the Takara version.