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NovaSentinel wrote:What if Smokescreen becomes Ultra Magnus? I've seen crazier things, and he's similar colours... (also is a nod to g1 magnus' 'inner robot' being white)

Except that Ultra Magnus is somebody else entirely. Nice thought though.

At last! A call, a cry of distress! This could be a sign that leads us to the Holy Grail! Brave, brave Concord, you shall not have died in vain!
Uh, I'm-I'm not quite dead, sir.
...Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
I-I think I, I could pull through, sir.
Oh, I see.
Actually, I think I'm alright to come with you--
No no, sweet Concord, stay here. I will send help as soon as I've accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular... *sigh*
...Idiom, sir?
Idiom!
No, I feel fine, actually--
Farewell, sweet Concord!
Alright, then. I'll just stay here, then, shall I, sir? ...yeah.

Sabrblade wrote:At last! A call, a cry of distress! This could be a sign that leads us to the Holy Grail! Brave, brave Concord, you shall not have died in vain!
Uh, I'm-I'm not quite dead, sir.
...Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
I-I think I, I could pull through, sir.
Oh, I see.
Actually, I think I'm alright to come with you--
No no, sweet Concord, stay here. I will send help as soon as I've accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular... *sigh*
...Idiom, sir?
Idiom!
No, I feel find, actually--
Farewell, sweet Concord!
Alright, then. I'll just stay here, then, shall I, sir? ...yeah.

Okay, you have me rolling with laughter now over the mental image of that one

ooo, now that is an interesting thought

Wow this looks pretty intense... I can't wait for new episodes!

if there will be a new prime there will be a new reason to hate habro

Well damn, it has me thinking that Optimus is going to die. Without any 1-up mushrooms. I know that's false, and that he is going to come back, but... gah, the suspense.

With the power of the matrix do those that bond with it ever really "die"?

njb902 wrote:With the power of the matrix do those that bond with it ever really "die"?

Not precisely. Think of it like Luke Skywalker being visited by the ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future Obi-wan Kenobi, Yoda, and his daddy Anakin Skywalker.

Mindmaster wrote:

njb902 wrote:With the power of the matrix do those that bond with it ever really "die"?

Not precisely. Think of it like Luke Skywalker being visited by the ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future Obi-wan Kenobi, Yoda, and his daddy Anakin Skywalker.

Sorry that was a rhetorical question.

Sabrblade wrote:

Manterax Prime wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:I can see why you would think so because of the chin, but the nose is much bulkier, the mouth is closer to the nose, and the eyes are farther apart in comparison to Smokescreen.

Nose? What nose? None of the autobots have a nose! Take their helmets off they all look like Lord Voldemort! What are you going on about?

Replace "nose" with " little stub between the eyes".

Well, I took that into account, compared face between BH Prime, FE Prime and Smokescreen and the only one w/ a stub between the eyes that could possibly end up on BH Prime is SMOKESCREEN......OMG..........then again, I may be reading too far into it.

Manterax Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Manterax Prime wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:I can see why you would think so because of the chin, but the nose is much bulkier, the mouth is closer to the nose, and the eyes are farther apart in comparison to Smokescreen.

Nose? What nose? None of the autobots have a nose! Take their helmets off they all look like Lord Voldemort! What are you going on about?

Replace "nose" with " little stub between the eyes".

Well, I took that into account, compared face between BH Prime, FE Prime and Smokescreen and the only one w/ a stub between the eyes that could possibly end up on BH Prime is SMOKESCREEN......OMG..........then again, I may be reading too far into it.

The lack of a closed faceplate doesn't help any.

Manterax Prime wrote:Well, I took that into account, compared face between BH Prime, FE Prime and Smokescreen and the only one w/ a stub between the eyes that could possibly end up on BH Prime is SMOKESCREEN......OMG..........

Not quite. Wheeljack also has a stub similarly to Smokescreen.



In fact, his is blockier than Smokescreen's, which is closer to BH Prime.

Crap, I've given you ideas.

Ok, 3 things that point to Smokescreen being BH Optimus Prime

1. Damn near identical faces

2. Stub between the eyes. Optimus didn't have one.

3. This is going by the toys. Smokescreen's vehicle mode with quill armor has 4 spikes total in front, 2 on each side of the grill. BH Prime's vehicle mode has 4 spikes total in front, 2 on each side of the grill.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Manterax Prime wrote:Well, I took that into account, compared face between BH Prime, FE Prime and Smokescreen and the only one w/ a stub between the eyes that could possibly end up on BH Prime is SMOKESCREEN......OMG..........

Not quite. Wheeljack also has a stub similarly to Smokescreen.



In fact, his is blockier than Smokescreen's, which is closer to BH Prime.

Crap, I've given you ideas.

Ok, point. However, Wheeljack's "nose" angles up to his eyebrows forming an inverted trapezoid, wheres the "noses" of Smokescreen and BH Prime are square in shape.

Manterax Prime wrote:1. Damn near identical faces

Except for these:

The nose stub is a block on BH Optimus while Smokescreen's is flat square.
Smokescreen has a goatee while BH Optimus lacks one.
BH Optimus' mouth is closer to his stub than Smokescreen.

2. Stub between the eyes. Optimus didn't have one.

As I alluded to previously, Wheeljack has a stub between the eyes. It doesn't mean all three of them are related. BH Optimus, Smokescreen, and Wheeljack have different stubs; blocky, flat, and inverted trapezoid respectively.

3. This is going by the toys. Smokescreen's vehicle mode with quill armor has 4 spikes total in front, 2 on each side of the grill. BH Prime's vehicle mode has 4 spikes total in front, 2 on each side of the grill.

But toys don't always = show.

PrymeStriker wrote:


I don't see it.

Well, at this point EVERYTHING here is speculation, BUT when you REALLY look at the pics I see it...

() The shape and angle of the eyes
() Center crest's shape and size
() The red pieces on going down the center of Smokescreen's head...turn them blue.
() The shape and angle of the chin and their adjacent "cheek" pieces

I dont have Photo shop, but I know someone out there does...Just take Smokescreen's pic and change the colors to Prime's... It's actually kinda cool.

Still ALL speculation, but I DO see the definite similarities... The reason the toy would be "Optimus Prime" would be for 1) Secretiveness on Hasbor's part, but 2) Smokescreen idolizes Prime and will present himself as such (assuming our observations have merit) because if THE OPTIMUS PRIME shows up to fight, the Cons would loose their Cybertronian Bowels... Especially Megatron...assuming Predaking doesn't eat him lol.

Random thought...Maybe the Dinobots can come back the same way the Preds are being resurrected. There aren't many viable Autobots out there, so why not "make" some more? lol

not sure how this relates but the new magnus toy has the same wings as bh op. do they both have them or does one get them from the other?

somone said earlier that magnus creates a new body for op with the forge. i would agree and that means he is a prime and the toy comes with the forge so hasbro has already hinted at this.

magnus and op have roughly similar stats so he could be considered at the physical and mental level of a prime.

thus magnus becomes the next prime then uses the forge to recreate op.

not sure how smokescreen fits in but op doesnt look like him smokescreen's face is too thin and the center crest thing looks like ops more so than smokescreen's. besides why would smokescreen be called optimus prime and take on his physical appearence? he would more likely be called his own unique title and keep his color scheme just like orion pax did.

zatara1701 wrote:Well, at this point EVERYTHING here is speculation, BUT when you REALLY look at the pics I see it...

() The shape and angle of the eyes

What's so definitive about them?

() Center crest's shape and size

Optimus' crest is longer.

...

() The red pieces on going down the center of Smokescreen's head...turn them blue.

Turn them blue...then remove them. BH Optimus doesn't have those pieces on his face.

Ok, I'm not getting into this Prime/Smokescreen thing. It's crazy. So it's probably true, but that not the point.
Looks great, Predaking actually IS combiner-size, which makes me happy, and a human city (Jasper?) is destroyed, so it is a 'Con invasion, and the humans arn't just going to ignore the giant base. Overall, as long as Prime's ressurection isn't too cheesy if it happens, I think Prime's surpassing BW for my top spot.

WHAT THE HELL HASBRO!! Was it to hard to just rebuild him?
Diddnt u learn your lesson with G1? Do not kill prime.
Num one rule there...even tho hell prob only stay dead
For like 1 episode..

Call me a fanboy...but u just dont kill prime

megatronis wrote:WHAT THE HELL HASBRO!! Was it to hard to just rebuild him?
Diddnt u learn your lesson with G1? Do not kill prime.
Num one rule there...even tho hell prob only stay dead
For like 1 episode..

More like "Forever", with forever translating to "until the next cartoon"

megatronis wrote:Call me a fanboy...but u just dont kill prime

Actually, killing Optimus has become part of the lore. G1 established it. It's happened in Beast Wars, Armada, Revenge of the Fallen, Animated, and now here.

megatronis wrote:even tho hell prob only stay dead
For like 1 episode..

Except when a character dies in this show, they stay dead and they don't come back.