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No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby zwann » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:11 am

It's interesting to note how odd it is that Decepticons are taking Autobot prisoners in DOTM.

But what is most interestingly, is that Soundwave never intend on killing them. It was until Dylan lecturing him about getting respect then he chose to execute them.

Makes your wonder, what if Optimus and the Autobots brutality was the result of their training with the humans. They were less brutish and merciless in the 2007 movie. What if, like Dylan, Lennox or the NEST superior were the ones influencing the Autobots to act their brutal way. How they act, after the event of Mission City. Maybe Optimus planned to take Decepticons prisoner, but human superiors suggested otherwise. The after several killing, it becomes a bloodlust.

Look at it this way. 9 Autobots destroyed about 200 Decepticons with little effort. Optimus alone, could take on the like of Soundwave, Shockwave, Starscream and Megatron even with one arm behind his back. So how did they, with an army of Autobots, lost in Cybertron?

Clearly they learned something from the humans once they arrive here. Ironicly, they learned from humans how to be inhuman.
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Re: No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby shockwaves-sister » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:59 am

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Re: No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby Optimus Primevil » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:04 am

since they can use the internet, i guess prime somehow got to watch some fist of the northstar videos and came to the conclusion it's ok to kill as long as it's in the name of justice...

but since he doesn't go ATATATATATATATATATATA... i'm guessing probably not.
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Re: No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby dirk2243 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:53 am

Motto: "If you don't believe me, just ask me.....I'll tell you all about it."
Prime over the 3 films slowly became a one bot army.

Look at the final battle scene in the 07 movie. He was getting beat down by megs for most of that scene.

ROTF, much better.....but lost in the forest scene. (yeah, 3 on 1, but look at DOTM)

DOTM.....I wonder why the other autobots were even in the film honestly.

Like he was learning from chuck norris in the down time or something. Watched the Matrix trilogy too much or something.

Don't let one movie sway you about the cons. in ROTF they set a trap and Megs stabbs Optimus Prime in the back. Megatron Rips Jazz in two. The cons tried to destroy the sun for energy...... etc, etc. They were bad with little sign of remorse. And they still killed Q while he was begging them not too.
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Re: No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby SlyTF1 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:48 am

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Humans are more savage than Decepticons.

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Re: No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby zenosaurus_x » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:52 pm

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dirk2243 wrote:Prime over the 3 films slowly became a one bot army.

Look at the final battle scene in the 07 movie. He was getting beat down by megs for most of that scene.

ROTF, much better.....but lost in the forest scene. (yeah, 3 on 1, but look at DOTM)



Eh, I'm still of the opinion they just didn't represent Megatron well, he was frozen for thousands of years, 2 years dead shouldn't have affected him so much in ROTF when Optimus had no chance in part 1.

But then...if they humans really did make such a difference (which would be interesting to say the least) then it would be acceptable somewhat.

DOTM.....I wonder why the other autobots were even in the film honestly.

Heh...true, the only other one who got to be cool was IronHide and well...we all know how THAT ended...
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Re: No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby zwann » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:06 pm

dirk2243 wrote:Prime over the 3 films slowly became a one bot army.

Look at the final battle scene in the 07 movie. He was getting beat down by megs for most of that scene.

ROTF, much better.....but lost in the forest scene. (yeah, 3 on 1, but look at DOTM)

DOTM.....I wonder why the other autobots were even in the film honestly.

Like he was learning from chuck norris in the down time or something. Watched the Matrix trilogy too much or something.

Don't let one movie sway you about the cons. in ROTF they set a trap and Megs stabbs Optimus Prime in the back. Megatron Rips Jazz in two. The cons tried to destroy the sun for energy...... etc, etc. They were bad with little sign of remorse. And they still killed Q while he was begging them not too.


That's an interesting thing to mention.

Not that I wanted to bash the Autobots,(although I am a Con guy), but notice 95% of the time, the Autobots seemed to beg for their lives in a near death situation.

1. Q begged Soundwave to not kill him.
2. Sentinel Prime begged Optimus "No, Optimus, NO!"
3. Optimus Prime begged Sentinel "No, Sentinel, please..!"
4. Somebody mentioned that even Ironhide begged to Sentinel(I'm not sure of this :???: )

A hero is a person that fight for justice, but not as far as killing his enemy.
An Anti-Hero is a person that fight for his justice that will kill his enemy, and is not afraid to die.
A villian however, kills for his cause, but is afraid of being killed.

Seemed the Bay's Autobots(ROTF-DOTM), doesn't match either the first 2 above.

Just my opinion.
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Re: No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby shamone » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:10 pm

zwann wrote:
dirk2243 wrote:Prime over the 3 films slowly became a one bot army.

Look at the final battle scene in the 07 movie. He was getting beat down by megs for most of that scene.

ROTF, much better.....but lost in the forest scene. (yeah, 3 on 1, but look at DOTM)

DOTM.....I wonder why the other autobots were even in the film honestly.

Like he was learning from chuck norris in the down time or something. Watched the Matrix trilogy too much or something.

Don't let one movie sway you about the cons. in ROTF they set a trap and Megs stabbs Optimus Prime in the back. Megatron Rips Jazz in two. The cons tried to destroy the sun for energy...... etc, etc. They were bad with little sign of remorse. And they still killed Q while he was begging them not too.


That's an interesting thing to mention.

Not that I wanted to bash the Autobots,(although I am a Con guy), but notice 95% of the time, the Autobots seemed to beg for their lives in a near death situation.

1. Q begged Soundwave to not kill him.
2. Sentinel Prime begged Optimus "No, Optimus, NO!"
3. Optimus Prime begged Sentinel "No, Sentinel, please..!"
4. Somebody mentioned that even Ironhide begged to Sentinel(I'm not sure of this :???: )

A hero is a person that fight for justice, but not as far as killing his enemy.
An Anti-Hero is a person that fight for his justice that will kill his enemy, and is not afraid to die.
A villian however, kills for his cause, but is afraid of being killed.

Seemed the Bay's Autobots(ROTF-DOTM), doesn't match either the first 2 above.

Just my opinion.


the autobots dont fit into the architypical hero mould
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Re: No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby Noideaforaname » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:35 pm

zwann wrote:1. Q begged Soundwave to not kill him.
2. Sentinel Prime begged Optimus "No, Optimus, NO!"
3. Optimus Prime begged Sentinel "No, Sentinel, please..!"
4. Somebody mentioned that even Ironhide begged to Sentinel(I'm not sure of this :???: )

Que isn't much of a fighter, more of a behind-the-scenes gadget maker.
Optimus's pleas may have been a last ditch attempt to get Sentinel to stop damning the whole Earth as opposed to just sparing his own life.
Ironhide didn't beg, he said something to the extent of "what have you done?"

Sentinel was rather hypocritical in that "he without mercy now begs for it" way, though I wouldn't judge all Autobots on a traitor.
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Re: No Prisoners, only Trophies..A lesson taught by humans.

Postby Chaoslock » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:00 pm

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I wonder if there would be a fourth movie, it will be about Optimus becoming a loose cannon that much that the other autobots need to take him down...
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