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Re: Now You're Thinking With Plot Holes

Postby shamone » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:05 pm

Capt.Failure wrote:
The movie isnt other animated series or comics, its the movie version. You cant pick and choose the canon you want when it suits your points, well you can, but it proves nowt, other than selective thought processes. In that case then the matrix is all wrong, devestator should have autonomous parts, not drones, and so on and so on. no where is it said in the movie that one recently resurrected autobot, and one recently killed seeker are more powerful that six out of seven of the strongest transformers.


This problem with this is that you're saying picking and chosing things that show up in every continuity isn't allowed when this is often used to criticize the film as well. So it's not ok to use the same tactics to defend it?

Now, for your points:

1. The Matrix is all wrong? Unless you mean it's design then I'm afraid you're wrong. It's the symbol of leadership among the Transformers just like other continuities, it just also has the function of acting as the key to the Sun Harvester. Let's not forget the classic Matrix had new powers as the plot demanded (one-shot Unicron, cure plagues, etc).

2. They're not drones. The Contructicons are a unit of sixteen (fifteen after the one died in the opening) elite decepticons, and any combination of eight can form Devestator.

3. Final word on Bumblebee, and the final word is: staying hidden. It's usually a good tactical choice when you're outmanned, outgunned, and trying to get somewhere.

I'll just add this for icing on the cake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun

Now if you're only gonna argue semantics please leave the thread. We're talking plot holes here.


no explanation on the bias claim, didnt think there would be one ...

1. the point about the matrix is that its use has now changed again... therefore you cant use previous continuity to explain the other plot holes

2. you see a different movie to me then, dont remember that explanation of the constructicons in the movie i saw

3. im confused, in a previous post you said he was acting as a decoy. now hiding, staying out of sight doesnt fulfil that role, unless bee is ******. so now he is hiding and staying covert, whilst sam uns across open desert without cover.

4. do a prototype exists. doesnt say anything tabout blowing up sun harvesters or activating them if fired directly at them. Again your defence, saying that the reason they didnt shoot at harvester because it might make it activate is not verified.

And dont tell me what threads to leave or stay in............ i dont respond well to threats, however passive aggressive they may be. I politely asked you to keep this civil.
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Re: Now You're Thinking With Plot Holes

Postby shamone » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:06 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:I think both sides are starting to over think, and nit pic waaaaayy yo much. :roll: All the exapmles given... From the pro and anti side of this debate.. can be found in 90% of moies out there. There is no such thing as a perfect movie were every asspect is going to fit perfectly toeghter. it preety much comes down to this..

For the Pro ROTF crowd..
-We (yes, i liked the movie :D ) need to accept that there were flaws in the movie. This isn't a bad thing because as i've said before, 90% of movies out there suffer from simular "continuity errors".

-Accept that while their might be an explanation if you dig/think hard enough, that in itself is an admitance of a flaw. This movie was a summer block buster and shouldn't require you to "dig" for explanations.

For the Anit ROTF crowd..
-While yes, the movie had its flaws, but no movies perfect. many movies out there have simular problems but nobody bats an eye.
-The nit picking is a little on the ridiculous side. I don't see how you can enjoy any movie when you pick it apart to the extent as many here have.
-accept there while it may not be to your liking, there are explanations to many of the "plot holes" you all claim are there.

Anyhow, the movie is 2yrs old. DOTM will be out in 2 days. Here's hoping this one will unite us all back together.
"Till are are one." ;)


i agree totally.
i love the dark knight, but i know there are plot elements stuck together with spit and paper and hope. but if some people cant accept the plot holes/gaps in logic and use assumption, hearsay, conjecture and fan theory to defend the most glaring ones, then i will point the flaws out
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Re: Now You're Thinking With Plot Holes

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:14 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:I think both sides are starting to over think, and nit pic waaaaayy yo much. :roll: All the exapmles given... From the pro and anti side of this debate.. can be found in 90% of moies out there. There is no such thing as a perfect movie were every asspect is going to fit perfectly toeghter. it preety much comes down to this..

For the Pro ROTF crowd..
-We (yes, i liked the movie :D ) need to accept that there were flaws in the movie. This isn't a bad thing because as i've said before, 90% of movies out there suffer from simular "continuity errors".

-Accept that while their might be an explanation if you dig/think hard enough, that in itself is an admitance of a flaw. This movie was a summer block buster and shouldn't require you to "dig" for explanations.

For the Anit ROTF crowd..
-While yes, the movie had its flaws, but no movies perfect. many movies out there have simular problems but nobody bats an eye.
-The nit picking is a little on the ridiculous side. I don't see how you can enjoy any movie when you pick it apart to the extent as many here have.
-accept there while it may not be to your liking, there are explanations to many of the "plot holes" you all claim are there.

Anyhow, the movie is 2yrs old. DOTM will be out in 2 days. Here's hoping this one will unite us all back together.
"Till are are one." ;)


Oh don't get me wrong, I know it's a flawed film. The plot is too shallow and the story is too big. The characters don't get much characterization and the humor is in a word, crap. There's also alot of missed moments they could have done in place of alot they could have left out. It is indeed a flawed film.

However the plot is not as full of holes as accused. Does it have holes, well yeah namely Wheelie and his mysterious stealth abilities. But bias on the part of the vocal minority has done alot of warp the plot's status as "full of holes" out of proportion. Anyone who pays attention to the film can notice that the plot holds itself together much better than advertised.

Though in review I will admit the Optimus/Jetfire combination thing was a bit of an asspull.

See shamone, even I can admit I was wrong. ;)
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Re: Now You're Thinking With Plot Holes

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Re: Now You're Thinking With Plot Holes

Postby shamone » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:58 am

Capt.Failure wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:I think both sides are starting to over think, and nit pic waaaaayy yo much. :roll: All the exapmles given... From the pro and anti side of this debate.. can be found in 90% of moies out there. There is no such thing as a perfect movie were every asspect is going to fit perfectly toeghter. it preety much comes down to this..

For the Pro ROTF crowd..
-We (yes, i liked the movie :D ) need to accept that there were flaws in the movie. This isn't a bad thing because as i've said before, 90% of movies out there suffer from simular "continuity errors".

-Accept that while their might be an explanation if you dig/think hard enough, that in itself is an admitance of a flaw. This movie was a summer block buster and shouldn't require you to "dig" for explanations.

For the Anit ROTF crowd..
-While yes, the movie had its flaws, but no movies perfect. many movies out there have simular problems but nobody bats an eye.
-The nit picking is a little on the ridiculous side. I don't see how you can enjoy any movie when you pick it apart to the extent as many here have.
-accept there while it may not be to your liking, there are explanations to many of the "plot holes" you all claim are there.

Anyhow, the movie is 2yrs old. DOTM will be out in 2 days. Here's hoping this one will unite us all back together.
"Till are are one." ;)


Oh don't get me wrong, I know it's a flawed film. The plot is too shallow and the story is too big. The characters don't get much characterization and the humor is in a word, crap. There's also alot of missed moments they could have done in place of alot they could have left out. It is indeed a flawed film.

However the plot is not as full of holes as accused. Does it have holes, well yeah namely Wheelie and his mysterious stealth abilities. But bias on the part of the vocal minority has done alot of warp the plot's status as "full of holes" out of proportion. Anyone who pays attention to the film can notice that the plot holds itself together much better than advertised.

Though in review I will admit the Optimus/Jetfire combination thing was a bit of an asspull.

See shamone, even I can admit I was wrong. ;)


admitting you are wrong is the first step to recovery

as i have shown the plot doesnt hold together, there are gaps in logic.

i n fact the greatest problem with the movie is that it writes itself into corners and then produced deus ex machinas or mcguffins to get out of.

its like the plot was written as they went along, as opposed to having a clear vision of how it would get from a to b to c
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Re: Now You're Thinking With Plot Holes

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:03 pm

shamone wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:I think both sides are starting to over think, and nit pic waaaaayy yo much. :roll: All the exapmles given... From the pro and anti side of this debate.. can be found in 90% of moies out there. There is no such thing as a perfect movie were every asspect is going to fit perfectly toeghter. it preety much comes down to this..

For the Pro ROTF crowd..
-We (yes, i liked the movie :D ) need to accept that there were flaws in the movie. This isn't a bad thing because as i've said before, 90% of movies out there suffer from simular "continuity errors".

-Accept that while their might be an explanation if you dig/think hard enough, that in itself is an admitance of a flaw. This movie was a summer block buster and shouldn't require you to "dig" for explanations.

For the Anit ROTF crowd..
-While yes, the movie had its flaws, but no movies perfect. many movies out there have simular problems but nobody bats an eye.
-The nit picking is a little on the ridiculous side. I don't see how you can enjoy any movie when you pick it apart to the extent as many here have.
-accept there while it may not be to your liking, there are explanations to many of the "plot holes" you all claim are there.

Anyhow, the movie is 2yrs old. DOTM will be out in 2 days. Here's hoping this one will unite us all back together.
"Till are are one." ;)


Oh don't get me wrong, I know it's a flawed film. The plot is too shallow and the story is too big. The characters don't get much characterization and the humor is in a word, crap. There's also alot of missed moments they could have done in place of alot they could have left out. It is indeed a flawed film.

However the plot is not as full of holes as accused. Does it have holes, well yeah namely Wheelie and his mysterious stealth abilities. But bias on the part of the vocal minority has done alot of warp the plot's status as "full of holes" out of proportion. Anyone who pays attention to the film can notice that the plot holds itself together much better than advertised.

Though in review I will admit the Optimus/Jetfire combination thing was a bit of an asspull.

See shamone, even I can admit I was wrong. ;)


admitting you are wrong is the first step to recovery

as i have shown the plot doesnt hold together, there are gaps in logic.

i n fact the greatest problem with the movie is that it writes itself into corners and then produced deus ex machinas or mcguffins to get out of.

its like the plot was written as they went along, as opposed to having a clear vision of how it would get from a to b to c


And I bolded that bottom line for a good reason. You remember the part were the writers only got a quarter of the script written when the writer's strike forced them to quit, right? How they chose to finish the script for Star Trek 2009 instead and ran out of time on RotF's script?
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Re: Now You're Thinking With Plot Holes

Postby shamone » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:51 am

Capt.Failure wrote:
shamone wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:I think both sides are starting to over think, and nit pic waaaaayy yo much. :roll: All the exapmles given... From the pro and anti side of this debate.. can be found in 90% of moies out there. There is no such thing as a perfect movie were every asspect is going to fit perfectly toeghter. it preety much comes down to this..

For the Pro ROTF crowd..
-We (yes, i liked the movie :D ) need to accept that there were flaws in the movie. This isn't a bad thing because as i've said before, 90% of movies out there suffer from simular "continuity errors".

-Accept that while their might be an explanation if you dig/think hard enough, that in itself is an admitance of a flaw. This movie was a summer block buster and shouldn't require you to "dig" for explanations.

For the Anit ROTF crowd..
-While yes, the movie had its flaws, but no movies perfect. many movies out there have simular problems but nobody bats an eye.
-The nit picking is a little on the ridiculous side. I don't see how you can enjoy any movie when you pick it apart to the extent as many here have.
-accept there while it may not be to your liking, there are explanations to many of the "plot holes" you all claim are there.

Anyhow, the movie is 2yrs old. DOTM will be out in 2 days. Here's hoping this one will unite us all back together.
"Till are are one." ;)


Oh don't get me wrong, I know it's a flawed film. The plot is too shallow and the story is too big. The characters don't get much characterization and the humor is in a word, crap. There's also alot of missed moments they could have done in place of alot they could have left out. It is indeed a flawed film.

However the plot is not as full of holes as accused. Does it have holes, well yeah namely Wheelie and his mysterious stealth abilities. But bias on the part of the vocal minority has done alot of warp the plot's status as "full of holes" out of proportion. Anyone who pays attention to the film can notice that the plot holds itself together much better than advertised.

Though in review I will admit the Optimus/Jetfire combination thing was a bit of an asspull.

See shamone, even I can admit I was wrong. ;)


admitting you are wrong is the first step to recovery

as i have shown the plot doesnt hold together, there are gaps in logic.

i n fact the greatest problem with the movie is that it writes itself into corners and then produced deus ex machinas or mcguffins to get out of.

its like the plot was written as they went along, as opposed to having a clear vision of how it would get from a to b to c


And I bolded that bottom line for a good reason. You remember the part were the writers only got a quarter of the script written when the writer's strike forced them to quit, right? How they chose to finish the script for Star Trek 2009 instead and ran out of time on RotF's script?


yeh i meant to add the line, that it was probably due to the strike

but i do blame hasbro and paramounjt for rushing the movie in that case.

in fact i think two years turn around isnt enough for any movie to be sufficiently made, especially effects heavy movies like TF
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