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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby DMSL » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:45 am

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Here's hoping Fort Max will have the detail painted on and not have stickers, hate those.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:02 am

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Ravage XK wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
What IS a justifiable price for Fortmax anyway?


This is a good question and one for minds larger than ours.


I'm not good at math economics but iirc on a somewhat related vintage product aka as the Atari 2600, the computation factoring inflation pegs the Atari 2600 at close to $ 700 at todays price when back in the 1970s cost like $ 300. So if Fortmax back in 1987 cost around $ 100, it's SRP at amiami is Y 23,000 +, more or less $300.00 at todays exchange rates(not including shipping so you also have to take into consideration the cost of fuel/packaging overseas from China to the USA or Europe).

Given that, so Fortmax more or less tripled in price from his 1987 cost (then again, $ 100 + bought a lot of stuff back in the late 80s no?). Compare that to the astronomical price you get at ebay, I'd say Fortmax is still a bargain. Charging him any less than $ 300 is simply unrealistic! >:oP
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Ravage XK » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:08 am

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Costing £299 (equiv of $481) in the UK at Kapow Toys.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:23 am

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Ravage XK wrote:Costing £299 (equiv of $481) in the UK at Kapow Toys.


Does that include shipping? If not, then that must be the mark up of the shop you mentioned.

Here is the price of the now sold out Fortmax (not including shipping) at amiami:

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... agecnt%3D1

At todays exchange rates that should be more or less US 300.00 or at UK GBP of £185.

So Ravage XK, if the price you are quoting includes shipping, then that is more or less justified, if not, then you better look for another source (try hooking it up with another source)
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Ravage XK » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:31 am

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Weapon: 20 Megavolt Stun Rifle
That is the total price as I believe shipping from the shop (UK based) is free. Plus you don't have to worry about Customs etc, so yeah I can see how it would cost that much.

I still think its a lot of cash when Metroplex and Omega Supreme cost me about £60 each.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:41 am

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Agreed with your feelings........too much of a wallet buster but given how he's 3 x bigger (more plastic) than Metroplex.

P.S. So Kapow also handles customs and handling? Then the price you are quoting is verrrrrry much justified.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:54 am

At this point of time,I am curious to how the "Encore" packaging will look for Fortress Maximus. I have mine pre-ordered (sans the "early bird" option), and read on e-HOBBY's page that it might be a limited 25th anniversary release. Regardless of that, this was one of those pieces that I made a point of pre-ordering regardless of its price. 8)

As for Devastor, I have concluded that I am good only having "2010" Predaking when it comes to Destron combiners. And seeing this, it has added to that conclusion. :BOOM:

Ravage XK wrote:Maximus is huge but boxy and seems to be a giant brick. I have been collecting G1 Encore and the collector in me wants it but I cant justify that price :( I think my money will be going on Masterpiece figures for the moment.


Welcome to the world of 1987 Transformers! :lol: However, when it comes to pricing, here is what you need to know:

1) It is 22", it has three forms, and is the first (of three) double Headmasters.
2) It is an anniversary piece, and e-HOBBY hints that it might have a limited run.
3) It is being imported from Japan, so you have to add import costs.

So all-in-all, the prices here are an estimated $80 more than the cheapest price overseas. But it is still cheaper than buying it from e-HOBBY. And unless you do not have the money, or are not into Headmasters, this might end up being the only time Takara Tomy will reissue Fortress Maximus.

Oh... And Hasbro made it clear that they cannot reissue him due to safety regulations. Which has me say that you should consider if it fits your collection or not, and not use the price to say "no" (as you may see it cost more when you change your mind). ;)
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Ravage XK » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:07 am

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:1) It is 22", it has three forms, and is the first (of three) double Headmasters.
2) It is an anniversary piece, and e-HOBBY hints that it might have a limited run.
3) It is being imported from Japan, so you have to add import costs.

So all-in-all, the prices here are an estimated $80 more than the cheapest price overseas. But it is still cheaper than buying it from e-HOBBY. And unless you do not have the money, or are not into Headmasters, this might end up being the only time Takara Tomy will reissue Fortress Maximus.

Oh... And Hasbro made it clear that they cannot reissue him due to safety regulations. Which has me say that you should consider if it fits your collection or not, and not use the price to say "no" (as you may see it cost more when you change your mind). ;)



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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:08 am

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Choose your allegiance then! Fortmax or Masterpiece! :lol:
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:40 am

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fenrir72 wrote:Choose your allegiance then! Fortmax or Masterpiece! :lol:


Despite the price: Fortress Maximus! He's harder to get as it is.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:21 am

Motto: "Power to the strong and the right!"
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Plus the two Master swords adds the incentive! Right on JZGR! :grin:

(Unfortunately............I'm passing the bruiser up, 'cause already have the incomplete (non master sword wielding) USA vintage version :-( )
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Marcdachamp » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:30 am

Max is too rich for my blood. I'd love to buy a real Fort Max, but for now I'll settle for my Kabaya figure. On the plus side, the more I look at the Encore version of Max, the more impressed I am at how faithful Kabaya managed to make their version.

Also, you people are nuts! That Devastator is awesome sauce!
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Crisdecal » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:39 am

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I'm really digging the vintage style pics of Fort Max. Very Japanese, very 1980's. Reminds me of the old Japanese inserts and commercials. They even added laser beams! But I really hope he does come with his Master sword, being that Cerebros has his own in the pics. And even more... I really hope for a Grand Maximus repaint. I think I would have the ultimate Transgasam!

Wasn't this new re-re-relese of Devestator supposed to be a G2 yellow??
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:06 am

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Crisdecal wrote:Wasn't this new re-re-relese of Devestator supposed to be a G2 yellow??


That's what we originally assumed, but nothing was ever said about it. Now we know "A" probably stands for "Anime", as in cartoon-accurate.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Diem » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:28 am

That Devy deco is nice but it is just proof that you can't polish a turd; the G1 Constructicons are terrible figures.

Fort Max looks nice but I agree that it would be really nice to see confirmation that he's getting the Master Sword. Encore versions are usually pretty definitive so I would be surprised if it wasn't included.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Tigertrack » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:52 am

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Without pics next to the others, as was asked for by another poster, it's really hard to justify wanting that set.

I know Long Haul's head is painted differently. In fact, I think they all are a little different, 'MORE ACCURATE' to the cartoon painting on the heads/faces. Besides DEvi's head, I think Scrapper's chest and abdomen is differently painted too, and of course, they have like 0 stickers applied (okay they each have a couple).

Max is great. Glad to see it comes with the sword. Wishing it leads to a Grand Maximus re-paint.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby kirbenvost » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:53 am

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Soooo... the only difference to Devastator is the black forearms and cartoon head? Or is the shade of green different too. Regardless, I still have the first Encore in my Loot and don't need this one.

Fort Max looks EPIC.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:58 am

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kirbenvost wrote:Soooo... the only difference to Devastator is the black forearms and cartoon head? Or is the shade of green different too. Regardless, I still have the first Encore in my Loot and don't need this one.


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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:19 am

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Fortress Maximus, will be mine. I already own two Devastators, so I'm good there. ;)
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Flux Convoy » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:31 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
kirbenvost wrote:Soooo... the only difference to Devastator is the black forearms and cartoon head? Or is the shade of green different too. Regardless, I still have the first Encore in my Loot and don't need this one.


Don't forget Mixmaster's drum.

The head is a different sculpt. The forearms are black and not purple. Mixmaster's drum is purple, not green. Both green and purple appear to be different from the Encore. The individual faces of the bot modes have better painted/detailed faces. The faces are the same molds, just painted nicely.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Kibble » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:20 pm

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I'd like to have that Dev, but I'm not buying again after having just bought the new Encore version a year ago. This one looks better all around, though.
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby XDMan » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:08 pm

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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:32 pm

Ravage XK wrote:la la la la, Im not listening. Stop tempting me!! :)

I'm a sucker for limited runs etc.

No, its too much to pay for one figure and I need to pay for Masterpiece figures and holiday..........arrrrgghhhhh

:lol: ..... :))

Thanks for the laugh. You're awesome for doing that, as I needed it after the two responses I have received today (that had nothing to do with the point I made or the facts I based them on). :lol: But anyways... Would it be a bad time to also mention that TFsource offers both free shipping for all orders above $150, and also allows you to pay for this item the moment they receive it? :WHISTLE:
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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby Sodan-1 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:04 pm

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I know it's a trivial thing to contest but I saw Maximus' biography on BBTS earlier and had a :???: moment when I saw his speed is higher than his endurance.

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Re: Official Images: Takara Tomy Encore 20A Devastator and Encore 23 Fortress Maximus

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:10 pm

XDMan wrote:WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show accurracy Takara: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% Superior :D

BB loving Hasbro: -1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% Inferior :-(


Well, in Hasbro's defense, Michael Bay helped make BB be popular. :lol: But, ahem... >:oP On a more serious note, I have to be upset with them when it comes to the way they allowed the "Japanese Collection" be handled.

But yeah... Takara Tomy is trying to reestablish themselves within the G1 community since 2007. And I am hoping they continue as they are transitioning to the terminology first created by Marvel for Hasbro. :-B

Sodan-1 wrote:I know it's a trivial thing to contest but I saw Maximus' biography on BBTS earlier and had a :???: moment when I saw his speed is higher than his endurance.

Really???


You mean these stats?

http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/FortressMaximus/fortressmaximus.htm
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