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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:37 am

Until Ripclaw shows up with some high heels, bubblegum pink paint, long hair, lipstick or discernible breasts... I'm certainly not going to fault anyone for accidentally saying "he." I'm just going to let that slide. ;)

Or conversely, if Ripclaw shows up with a buzz cut, cowboy boots, flannel shirt, tool belt, and an Ani Difranco shirt... that will do just fine, too. :grin:

I just wish I could tell these robots were femmes... one way or another. :BANG_HEAD:

If anyone needs me, I'm going to go dig out my Botcon set with the three femmebot motorcycles.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:41 pm

I think Ripclaw looks awesome. Way better than Lazerback. Love the colors. Gonna be a must-buy for me.

It does have one problem, though - a problem it shares with Thundertron: backwards knees. Do the designers not know how the hind legs of animals work?
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:25 pm

I think that's the one place in the beasts that designers often fudge. I think they design the front end in the morning, and by the time it reaches about 4pm and they're designing the animal's butt-end, they're ready to go home.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:29 pm

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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:38 pm

In the fine print at the bottom of the package it says:

"Please use your imagination to add the transformation "cha-cha-cha-chaaak" noise... and for the back legs. Save some imagination for the back legs, too."
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:50 pm

PrymeStriker wrote:These beasts are more for display than action. That's why they have funky limbs.


If they're going for display value instead of action, that's all the more reason they should have legs that look correct. They HAVE managed to get it right on some past figures:

http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/TFUSnarl/beastmode.jpg

http://www.tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Sco ... stmode.jpg
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:52 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:These beasts are more for display than action. That's why they have funky limbs.


If they're going for display value instead of action, that's all the more reason they should have legs that look correct.


The legs are visually correct; they're dragons.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:55 pm

PrymeStriker wrote:The legs are visually correct; they're dragons.


Dragon knees bend backwards? Not Scourge's.

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/f ... rge033.jpg

Also, Thundertron isn't a dragon, and he has the same backwards knees.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:57 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:The legs are visually correct; they're dragons.


Dragon knees bend backwards? Not Scourge's.

http://www.tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Sco ... stmode.jpg

Also, Thundertron isn't a dragon, and he has the same backwards knees.


TFU protects their images. You can't link them here.

Also, I was reasoning Ripclaw and any other future Beast Hunters Predacons with these limbs. This does not include Thundertron.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:02 pm

PrymeStriker wrote:
TFU protects their images. You can't link them here.

Also, I was reasoning Ripclaw and any other future Beast Hunters Predacons with these limbs. This does not include Thundertron.


OK, fine, whatever. Are you telling me that dragons have backwards knees, that this is how they're depicted in the TF fiction, and Scourge was a mistake?
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:02 pm

Yeah! Our imaginary dragons and flame-blue tigers with pirate peg legs DO need to be anatomically correct! :lol:

LOL. But I actually really DO prefer their legs look right.

If only we could pull the chicken/dog legs off of all the MOVIE toys and transplant them on these beasties. (Looking at you, movie Starscream. Yeah, you BETTER be afraid.) 8)
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:12 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:OK, fine, whatever. Are you telling me that dragons have backwards knees, that this is how they're depicted in the TF fiction, and Scourge was a mistake?


Scourge was from the Cybertron line. I'm reasoning Beast Hunters.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:17 pm

PrymeStriker wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:OK, fine, whatever. Are you telling me that dragons have backwards knees, that this is how they're depicted in the TF fiction, and Scourge was a mistake?


Scourge was from the Cybertron line. I'm reasoning Beast Hunters.


So in the Beast Hunters universe, dragons have backwards knees. Hasbro established this in the fiction, so the toy designers were going for accuracy. I see.

:HEADHURTS:
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:19 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:OK, fine, whatever. Are you telling me that dragons have backwards knees, that this is how they're depicted in the TF fiction, and Scourge was a mistake?


Scourge was from the Cybertron line. I'm reasoning Beast Hunters.


So in the Beast Hunters universe, dragons have backwards knees. I see.

:HEADHURTS:


Hasbro's changed their design aesthetic. How in the hell do you know Ripclaw/Ser-Ket's dragon legs aren't supposed to be designed like that in fiction as well? Then, the "backwards knees" aren't a mistake and you can't legitimately complain about them. >:oP
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:19 pm

Well, I think stepping back - away from even the Transformers line in general - you DO see more dog-leg style dragons in the fantasy world. BUT I get your point... it's fantasy, so this line could decide to do their own thing.

Me? I'm a dog-leg-dragon kinda guy.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:24 pm

Every depiction of a dragon I've ever seen had normal legs like that of a reptile or mammal.

Hasbro has a history of making figures - dragons, mammals, dinosars, whatever - sometimes with backwards knees, sometimes with correct knees.

But you want me to believe that THIS figure's backwards knees were meant to reflect something in the fiction about how dragons knees are backwards, rather the way more obvious explanation that the toy designers didn't really care about anatomical accuracy?

Look, it's not a big deal; I'll buy the toys regardless. But don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. It's just a poor design decision.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:30 pm

Seriously... Google "dragon legs" if you want to see a full page of ONLY dog-leg dragons. I did it for curiosity, but it's seriously the accepted norm.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:32 pm

Lots of them even add the dew-claw, which is a big red flag how the bone structure and "foot" are constructed. You basically have the animals walking on their back leg toes, and the long part of the foot has become part of the leg.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:38 pm

gothsaurus gets it!

Of course, that's how back legs work on quadrupeds! Hasbro's toy designers have simply taken a shortcut (probably to reduce costs) by removing a joint from the legs. But they have the entire foot flat on the ground instead of just the toes, so the whole anatomy of the leg is messed up as a result. Let's not pretend this is anything other than a move to cut production costs or make the toy easier to design. The suggestion that this somehow ties into the fiction is ridiculous.

And to drive the point home, look at Beast Hunters Lazerback: he has anatomically correct legs, with knees that bend properly.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:40 pm

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I googled Dragons to look for legs similar to these and found nothing. Googled Dragon Legs, and found little to nothing. Hotlink a pic of one closest to Ripclaw's, Gothasaurus?
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby datguy86 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:43 pm

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If designers stepped away from either dog legs or the backwards knee, I think they'd find a lot more leeway with design.

Hell, I'd like to see a design one with six legs all mimicking human arms. The front legs can become the arms (love the way the claws turn into fists on Ripclaw here, btw). The next two legs transform flip two into a chest cavity and cover the cavity with a flip down plate. The last two sets of legs can combine together to ease the concern of hollow legs. Do eet, Hasbro.
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:49 pm

when you google it, click "images." You'll get a whole page of them. Pasting these below because I found this all quite interesting to dig into. No other reason. Enjoy!

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Here's one from a site about Dragon Anatomy. (ROTFL)

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en ... ,s:0,i:169

Welsh Dragon is always awesome:
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en ... ,s:0,i:386

Even the Chinese Dragon gets into the action:
http://www.google.com/imgres?start=304& ... s:300,i:31

and here, wormy dragon again:
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/imag ... sGQ-GsH2Q_

Even silly kiddy cartoon dragons have the heel showing up. Quite interesting:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/imag ... RT8SJPgUew
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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:50 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:But you want me to believe that THIS figure's backwards knees were meant to reflect something in the fiction about how dragons knees are backwards, rather the way more obvious explanation that the toy designers didn't really care about anatomical accuracy?


Take the focus off of beast modes and look at robot modes. Robot modes are generically humanoids, yet we've seen Hasbro freely turn robot modes into semi-humanoids, or not a humanoid at all. They're aiming for freedom to design as they please; we don't need to hound them down because they didn't make the dragon mode's legs like they "should" be. >:oP

gothsaurus wrote:*snip*


Thanks. This one's got "backwards knees" like Ripclaw, albeit a different kind of dragon (serpent).

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Re: Official Images: Transformers Prime "Beast Hunters" Deluxe Ripclaw

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:55 pm

There's probably no point in hounding them. But mind you, if the quality of the toys and designs keeps dropping (like FOC Jazz or this kind of missing joint/articulation), I can see myself switching to buying more 3rd party high-end figures.
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