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Postby leviebaby » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:07 pm

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but do you think since the beast wars 2nd and neo came out in japan on dvd you think shout factory will release them next
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Re: ok i kow we just got the takara collection

Postby leviebaby » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:40 am

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Re: ok i kow we just got the takara collection

Postby leviebaby » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:46 pm

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Re: ok i kow we just got the takara collection

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:05 pm

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leviebaby wrote:but do you think since the beast wars 2nd and neo came out in japan on dvd you think shout factory will release them next
Difficult to tell.

With the JG1 shows, they had already been released subbed in English by Metrodome and Madman, so all Shout! Factory had to do was take the subs from those versions and fix alter them for their release.

With Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, since these two had never been released on DVD before even in Japan, there's been no official English subbed versions of them.

Plus, it also depends on whether or not one could even get the masters of these two series. It was hard enough for all the of the above companies to get what they got of the JG1 cartoons from Toei (which what they got was pretty poor in quality), so who knows if Production Reed (the studio that made BWII and Neo) would be willing to offer the two JBW cartoons.

And then there's the matter of subbing the two series. While Metrodome got a professional to sub their DVDs from the ground up (with help from the ever-awesome Chris McFeely), both Madman and Shout! Factory used those subs as a basis for each of their subs. So if Shout! were to get these two, they'd have to sub them from the from the ground up as well, and it isn't known if they'd willingly go that far (since they just recycled and edited an existing subtitle track instead of making their own).

Then there's the matter of "how" Shout! would sub them, as their JG1 DVD subs were littered with Americanizations that detracted from the spirit of the original works. While subbing Lio Convoy as "Leo Prime" would be okay (since they're the same character), other characters using the names of their American counterparts wouldn't work since the characterizations of each are so drastically different from one another. Like, imagine if the Jointron Bros were subbed with the names of the Tripredacus Council. That would be royally messed up and would cause a ton of headaches. They'd be better off sticking to the Japanese names/terms, but with Hasbro in control of their subs, that ain't likely to happen. >:oP

So, yeah, these two series are in a tight jam in regards to getting official English subbed releases.

Same with even fansubbed releases, as hardly anyone likes these series enough to bother with them, as they're often reviled as being as bad as Energon or RiD. :-(
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Re: ok i kow we just got the takara collection

Postby Duke of Luns » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:58 pm

^Yeah, there's going to have to be a massive fan outcry for Shout to even consider bringing them over. Even more sad is the raw Japanese versions aren't even on youtube anymore. They were incomplete which is why I never watched too far into them, but still they at least were there. I WANT to see it, no matter the show's quality, because it's Transformers and I like seeing the figures in action.

Sabrblade wrote:Same with even fansubbed releases, as hardly anyone likes these series enough to bother with them, as they're often reviled as being as bad as Energon or RiD. :-(


Energon I agree with, but RiD? I started watching the series again recently(saw most of it but not all), and while it's not Beast Wars, Animated, or Prime quality, it's still a very decent series. Quick rundown of points:

-The voice acting is on par with other shows of the time, and the scripts are mostly error free.

-The animation, while not overly spectacular, is at least consistent, bright, colorful, and fun to watch.

-Fight scenes are frequent and pretty enjoyable.

-While most of the episodes can be considered stand alone, there is a running plot.

-Koji(the resident human kid) isn't useless or super annoying. He knows when to stay out of the way, and episodes don't focus aroudn him too much.

-Finally, the series does not take itself too seriously, and is just harmless fun.

So overall, again not quite Beast Wars, Animated, or Prime, but by and large above Armada, Engergon, and Takara's Headmasters.
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Re: ok i kow we just got the takara collection

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:51 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Same with even fansubbed releases, as hardly anyone likes these series enough to bother with them, as they're often reviled as being as bad as Energon or RiD. :-(


Energon I agree with, but RiD? I started watching the series again recently(saw most of it but not all), and while it's not Beast Wars, Animated, or Prime quality, it's still a very decent series. Quick rundown of points:
Oh, trust me, I LOVE RiD, but it's more of a guilty pleasure for me as it's far from a masterpiece and only gets really good nearer to the end.

The general consensus is that it wasn't good due to the villains being Team Rocket levels of pathetic and incompetent (doesn't mean we can't still like them ;) ), the jokey-nature of the show being unfunny and too kiddie, and the sheer amount of anime elements being overbearing for many people.

And, while it did have an overarching plot, I will admit that it was poorly structured. In the first thirteen episodes, barely anything happens to move the plot along, and the Autobots make next-to-no attempts to help Koji get his dad back, which was supposed to be the driving force of the show in the first place.

Duke of Luns wrote:So overall, again not quite Beast Wars, Animated, or Prime,
You forgot Rescue Bots. ;)

Duke of Luns wrote:but by and large above Armada, Engergon, and Takara's Headmasters.
Well, since The Headmasters was better than G1, guess that puts G1 at the bottom of the barrel too. :P
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Re: ok i kow we just got the takara collection

Postby Duke of Luns » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:12 am

Well, since The Headmasters was better than G1, guess that puts G1 at the bottom of the barrel too.


After viewing Headmasters again in good quality in it's entirety recently, I can't honestly say if it's better or worse than original G1. It's...different, and it was nostalgia that kept me watching. Not that G1 was expectacular overall, but it did have some good episodes/ideas/voice acting/music, and since it started the whole shebang I kind of keep it in limbo somewhere in between.
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Postby Sabrblade » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:05 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:
Well, since The Headmasters was better than G1, guess that puts G1 at the bottom of the barrel too.


After viewing Headmasters again in good quality in it's entirety recently, I can't honestly say if it's better or worse than original G1. It's...different, and it was nostalgia that kept me watching. Not that G1 was expectacular overall, but it did have some good episodes/ideas/voice acting/music, and since it started the whole shebang I kind of keep it in limbo somewhere in between.
I mean in that it actually "told a story" while G1 was mostly random battles that didn't amount to anything in the long run. Nothing ever came of the events of G1. It didn't even get a real ending ("The Rebirth" closed on a cliffhanger). Whereas The Headmaster had a beginning, middle, and end with a plot that developed all the way through.

while both were kinda lax on the equal distribution of characterization and character development, that fact that The Headmasters had things happen that mattered makes it just slightly above G1 in my eyes. :)
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Re: ok i kow we just got the takara collection

Postby Duke of Luns » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:00 pm

[quote="Sabrblade] while both were kinda lax on the equal distribution of characterization and character development, that fact that The Headmasters had things happen that mattered makes it just slightly above G1 in my eyes. :)[/quote]

To an extent, yeah, but to another extent, not really. Cybertron blew up....they spent most of their time on Athenia anyway. Mars blew up...nothing came of that until Victory referenced it. The Space Bridge was rendered unusable...yet Chromedome still managed to go through it in an episode(granted it may somewhat factor into the relatively small scale of the Decepticon/Autobot war in Masterforce). Ultra Magnus died, fine except he hadn't been seen in at least a dozen episodes and his "rivalry" with Sixshot was them shooting at each other in the first episode. Final example, Galvatron was thought to have died when Cybertron blew up. That could have mattered! Instead, he came back and the Decepticons toured the Universe for the middle part of the season, stealing energy...for a wacko plan that...never came to fruition. :BANG_HEAD:

So while I will agree it does have a flow as opposed to G1, it did not age very well, though the last third of Headmasters was marginally better than the first two-thirds.
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Postby Sabrblade » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:50 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:To an extent, yeah, but to another extent, not really. Cybertron blew up....they spent most of their time on Athenia anyway.
Yes, but considering that that was the prize both sides had been fighting over for millions of years, and with an outsider coming in and removing it from the equation, that forced the Decepticons to utterly change their ultimate goal since they lost the very thing that they had desired for so many years. And with their leader lost in the crossfire, that gave Scorponok his opportunity to seize control with ease.

Duke of Luns wrote:Mars blew up...nothing came of that until Victory referenced it.
It showed that Scorponok (now MegaZarak) was a force not to be trifled with and upped the stakes for the Autobots having failed to save not one but TWO planets they were trying to protect.

Plus, it gave the Decepticons the victory they needed in acquiring Mars's plasma energy and making Scorponok appear worthy enough to remain in command. It was only Galvatron's sudden return that put things on hold afterward.

Duke of Luns wrote:The Space Bridge was rendered unusable...yet Chromedome still managed to go through it in an episode(granted it may somewhat factor into the relatively small scale of the Decepticon/Autobot war in Masterforce).
It rendered travel from planet to planet much more difficult, but yeah, Chromedome somehow getting through felt like a cheat to me.

Duke of Luns wrote:Ultra Magnus died, fine except he hadn't been seen in at least a dozen episodes and his "rivalry" with Sixshot was them shooting at each other in the first episode.
His death was a dramatic shock that brought motivation to both sides, with the Decepticons feeling more confident than ever in conquering Earth and the Autobots feeling more determined to protect the planet and its inhabitants than ever before.

While, yes, it doesn't come across as being quite that clear, that does still seem to have been the intention (aside from the real-world reason of removing old toys).

Duke of Luns wrote:Final example, Galvatron was thought to have died when Cybertron blew up. That could have mattered! Instead, he came back and the Decepticons toured the Universe for the middle part of the season, stealing energy...for a wacko plan that...never came to fruition. :BANG_HEAD:
Well, his absence did give Scorponok a chance to shine as the leader, giving us a taste of his permanent status to come.

Galvatron's return was also a dramatic shock but not as good as it really needed an explanation beyond "I actually survived and chose to lay low for a while, watching and observing you all from afar until the right moment."

But, yeah, that his whole plan ultimately went nowhere was blah, but consider that that whole planet-hopping arc also did give MegaZarak enough motivation to finally have enough with being Galvatron's chauffeur and decide to get rid of him. MegaZarak wasn't the kind of villain who'd just overthrow someone on the spot like Starscream. He was willing to serve Galvatron at first back when he deemed Galvatron competent enough to work with. But after seeing Galvatron fail so many times, that settled things for him to have Galvatron removed from power once and for all. He hadn't intended to kill Galvatron back when he blew up Cybertron; he just took Galvatron's apparent demise as a convenience to his plans.

Duke of Luns wrote:So while I will agree it does have a flow as opposed to G1, it did not age very well, though the last third of Headmasters was marginally better than the first two-thirds.
Agreed.
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