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I have read that Bay is scouting for locations in Egypt and around the Freemasonry temple in Philadelphia.

I have also read that the Sphinx, located in Egypt, is a powerful symbol in Freemasonry.

Furthermore, according to Richard Hoagland, the alleged "Face On Mars" is that of a feline/hominid cross similar to the Egyption Sphinx which has the body of a lion and the head of a human.

I have read that the myth of Horus, an Eqyption savior god similar to Jesus in many ways, might have some connection to the Great Sphinx.

I find all of this very interesting in conjunction to the depiction of Optimus Prime in the IDW prequel comic books. For like the Egyption Great Sphinx, Optimus Prime, on Cybertron, has some rather interesting cat-like features, especially in regards to his feet. It seems like from the torso downwards, he's cat-like, but upwards he is humaniod. Like the Great Sphinx, Prime's Cybertronian robot mode seems to be a combination of feline and humaniod elements.

Why in the Universe would they make Prime's Cybertronian body cat-like?

Could it be that Optimus Prime has a connection to the Great Sphinx and the Face On Mars? Is Optimus Prime the Sphinx and that Face?

I'm wonde

I don't see the cat in prime.

Well those feet look kind of cat-like to me.

I have a cat and those look nothing like cat feet.

I have a cat too. A really furry black and white Persian cat. (She's so cute!)

But if you take away all the fur on their paws, spread each toe out, and look at the bone structure of those toes in particular, Prime's feet do resemble those of a feline.

Interesting observation, but I doubt the writers had this in mind. It would be interesting if TFs turned out to be the inspiring factor behind certain mythological creatures, but they made it quite clear the TFs besides Megatron landed on Earth not until the 1970s.
@ Moldavite: you happen to have pictures?

moldavite wrote:But if you take away all the fur on their paws...

Let's not shave any cats unnecessarily, eh?

Now then... @ Rushie...
Megatron landed long before the 1970s, mate.
Hence Archibald Witwicky and all that rubbish.

There is a face on Mars? Wasn't that just in that movie?

Primes protoform feet do look a little catlike to me.

Dead Metal wrote:There is a face on Mars? Wasn't that just in that movie?

The Face on Mars in that movie is based on the myth in real life.


The Cydonia Region on Mars is a mountain, facing directly up at the camera, with sharp cliffs on one side that leave that half in shadow.

The lit half, the smooth half, has two grooves in shadow, and the photograph has a black speck as well (a dead pizel).


Pariedolia is the instinct in humans to recognize faces as patterns and curves. Therefore, the familiar patterns, when replicated in the surface of tortillas, or Mountains on Mars, the mind thinks "Face!" and adds the emotion that the curves represent (smile or frown).


In other words, there is no real face on Mars. It just looks like one.


And the best part is, from satellite photos of later satellites, we have pictures of the same mountain that are vastly different from the original "face" photo.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/face.html

Phil Plaite pwns joo

Rocketeer wrote:Now then... @ Rushie...
Megatron landed long before the 1970s, mate.

That's exactly what I said: all TF besides Megatron didn't arrive until the seventies (BB)

moldavite wrote:I have read that Bay is scouting for locations in Egypt and around the Freemasonry temple in Philadelphia.

I have also read that the Sphinx, located in Egypt, is a powerful symbol in Freemasonry.

Furthermore, according to Richard Hoagland, the alleged "Face On Mars" is that of a feline/hominid cross similar to the Egyption Sphinx which has the body of a lion and the head of a human.

I have read that the myth of Horus, an Eqyption savior god similar to Jesus in many ways, might have some connection to the Great Sphinx.

I find all of this very interesting in conjunction to the depiction of Optimus Prime in the IDW prequel comic books. For like the Egyption Great Sphinx, Optimus Prime, on Cybertron, has some rather interesting cat-like features, especially in regards to his feet. It seems like from the torso downwards, he's cat-like, but upwards he is humaniod. Like the Great Sphinx, Prime's Cybertronian robot mode seems to be a combination of feline and humaniod elements.

Why in the Universe would they make Prime's Cybertronian body cat-like?

Could it be that Optimus Prime has a connection to the Great Sphinx and the Face On Mars? Is Optimus Prime the Sphinx and that Face?

I'm wonde

Ah, you're speaking my language...

Freemasonry, in general, was an attempt by leet Christians in the middle ages and Renaissance to incorporate magical energy and symbolism under the Christian system. Sort of a "my magic is better than your magic" paradigm. The major magic players and pimps up until that point were the Chaldeans, the Persians, the Greeks, the Jews, and the Egyptians. Each of these religious orders had their own magic, theology, and allegorical symbols of power, so to speak. For the Egyptians, the symbols were the pyramids, the various hieroglyphs in general, and yes, the sphinx.

Horus was similar to Jesus, but then again, nearly every human/deity is like Jesus. I hate to break it to you, but Jesus ain't all that original (I'm a sociologist of comparative religion, which is why I know this weird sh1t). The king pimp of Egypt was a cat named Hermes Trismegistus, literally, "three times awesomesauce Hermes." Hermes of course is the Greek name for the guy, Mercury in Rome, and Thoth to the Egyptians. It's murmured that this same cat was Moses to the Jews. He's REALLY important, and named the same way that god is Yahweh to the Jews, Allah to the Muslims, and "God" to Christians; they're all the same guy. Hermes Trismegistus was a god, literally a pantheon member, but he was also the closest to humans and inhabtied earth, sharing wisdom, knowledge, and inventions, which in those days translated to the arts and humanities upon which today's modern liberal arts are based. Bumblebee rolls like Hermes Trismegistus, the closest friend to Spike.

Freemasons loved to dabble with mysticism and the occult, and "tame" it by incorporating it. Freemasons were way preoccupied with rites of mysticism, especially rebirth, and their re-birthrights incorporated the levels of heaven and earth as described by the Chaldeans and Egyptians, with Jesus conveniently placed on top as a sort of afterthought. Mozart's "The Magic Flute", is based on this, and if you look for the magic flute PBS torrent that was animated in the 1970's, it's some of the trippiest stuff you'll ever see, and now you'll know what the odd, mystical imagery is based upon.

If you want some books about this kind of stuff, I can recommend some.

Rushie wrote:

Rocketeer wrote:Now then... @ Rushie...
Megatron landed long before the 1970s, mate.

That's exactly what I said: all TF besides Megatron didn't arrive until the seventies (BB)

Sorry, dude.
I misunderstood what ya meant.

moldavite wrote:I have read that the myth of Horus, an Eqyption savior god similar to Jesus in many ways, might have some connection to the Great Sphinx.

Similar, but very distinct. Jesus preached peacefulness, and was a martyr.

Horus took out Set's left nut in a fight. I'm not joking, either, it's supposed to explain why Set's half of Egypt is so infertile.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:There is a face on Mars? Wasn't that just in that movie?

The Face on Mars in that movie is based on the myth in real life.


The Cydonia Region on Mars is a mountain, facing directly up at the camera, with sharp cliffs on one side that leave that half in shadow.

The lit half, the smooth half, has two grooves in shadow, and the photograph has a black speck as well (a dead pizel).


Pariedolia is the instinct in humans to recognize faces as patterns and curves. Therefore, the familiar patterns, when replicated in the surface of tortillas, or Mountains on Mars, the mind thinks "Face!" and adds the emotion that the curves represent (smile or frown).


In other words, there is no real face on Mars. It just looks like one.


And the best part is, from satellite photos of later satellites, we have pictures of the same mountain that are vastly different from the original "face" photo.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/face.html

Phil Plaite pwns joo

I'm very skeptical about the "Face On Mars". But you know Hollywood...

Rushie wrote:Interesting observation, but I doubt the writers had this in mind. It would be interesting if TFs turned out to be the inspiring factor behind certain mythological creatures, but they made it quite clear the TFs besides Megatron landed on Earth not until the 1970s.
@ Moldavite: you happen to have pictures?

What's funny is a video on Youtube accusing the Transformers movie of illuminati/free mason involvement. It ranges from the eye that overlooks earth to the numbers and symbols on Sam's clothing. It would be hilarious if Bay put all that stuff in the first movie intentionally and then used the second movie to expose the Free Masons!

Abilor wrote:

moldavite wrote:I have read that Bay is scouting for locations in Egypt and around the Freemasonry temple in Philadelphia.

I have also read that the Sphinx, located in Egypt, is a powerful symbol in Freemasonry.

Furthermore, according to Richard Hoagland, the alleged "Face On Mars" is that of a feline/hominid cross similar to the Egyption Sphinx which has the body of a lion and the head of a human.

I have read that the myth of Horus, an Eqyption savior god similar to Jesus in many ways, might have some connection to the Great Sphinx.

I find all of this very interesting in conjunction to the depiction of Optimus Prime in the IDW prequel comic books. For like the Egyption Great Sphinx, Optimus Prime, on Cybertron, has some rather interesting cat-like features, especially in regards to his feet. It seems like from the torso downwards, he's cat-like, but upwards he is humaniod. Like the Great Sphinx, Prime's Cybertronian robot mode seems to be a combination of feline and humaniod elements.

Why in the Universe would they make Prime's Cybertronian body cat-like?

Could it be that Optimus Prime has a connection to the Great Sphinx and the Face On Mars? Is Optimus Prime the Sphinx and that Face?

I'm wonde

Ah, you're speaking my language...

Freemasonry, in general, was an attempt by leet Christians in the middle ages and Renaissance to incorporate magical energy and symbolism under the Christian system. Sort of a "my magic is better than your magic" paradigm. The major magic players and pimps up until that point were the Chaldeans, the Persians, the Greeks, the Jews, and the Egyptians. Each of these religious orders had their own magic, theology, and allegorical symbols of power, so to speak. For the Egyptians, the symbols were the pyramids, the various hieroglyphs in general, and yes, the sphinx.

Horus was similar to Jesus, but then again, nearly every human/deity is like Jesus. I hate to break it to you, but Jesus ain't all that original (I'm a sociologist of comparative religion, which is why I know this weird sh1t). The king pimp of Egypt was a cat named Hermes Trismegistus, literally, "three times awesomesauce Hermes." Hermes of course is the Greek name for the guy, Mercury in Rome, and Thoth to the Egyptians. It's murmured that this same cat was Moses to the Jews. He's REALLY important, and named the same way that god is Yahweh to the Jews, Allah to the Muslims, and "God" to Christians; they're all the same guy. Hermes Trismegistus was a god, literally a pantheon member, but he was also the closest to humans and inhabtied earth, sharing wisdom, knowledge, and inventions, which in those days translated to the arts and humanities upon which today's modern liberal arts are based. Bumblebee rolls like Hermes Trismegistus, the closest friend to Spike.

Freemasons loved to dabble with mysticism and the occult, and "tame" it by incorporating it. Freemasons were way preoccupied with rites of mysticism, especially rebirth, and their re-birthrights incorporated the levels of heaven and earth as described by the Chaldeans and Egyptians, with Jesus conveniently placed on top as a sort of afterthought. Mozart's "The Magic Flute", is based on this, and if you look for the magic flute PBS torrent that was animated in the 1970's, it's some of the trippiest stuff you'll ever see, and now you'll know what the odd, mystical imagery is based upon.

If you want some books about this kind of stuff, I can recommend some.

I know it! They're going to turn Prime into Jesus Christ! And the Free Masons/Illuminati will be hunting him!

So is Sam's college going to have a version of the Skull And Bones there?

Hmm, I have not seen the comic covers of which you speak, but the cat-like legs only seem to be depicted in the protoform mode and not the standard Earth-mode. Will Prime re-scan for the next film? I doubt it. Some resemblance to Egyptian lore is probably purposeful due to the legend-status of Prime and just about all mythological leader-types. Other than a basic core similarity, I do not think much more on this really and am sorry, but this idea seems to be marginal in nature to the importance of keeping him PRIME and not bastardizing the character like the new cartoon has.

Please allow Prime to be his own legend and let the Egyptians have theirs. Optimus Prime would not approve of freemasonry because it requires faith in an idea that is not disclosed until an oath of secrecy by way of blood is taken, and that would not bode well with Prime in any way.

moldavite wrote:I'm very skeptical about the "Face On Mars". But you know Hollywood...

The funny part is, if they did use the Face on Mars in the plot of TF2, I might just be a fan.

Because as fantasy, the Face is a good idea if done right. But on the other hand it will make millions of kids and paranoid people never shut up about the Face.


On second thought, I'd be pissed if they used it.

Freemasonry, in general, was an attempt by leet Christians in the middle ages and Renaissance to incorporate magical energy and symbolism under the Christian system. Sort of a "my magic is better than your magic" paradigm.

What do you know about freemasonry? Ever heard of Hiram Mabiff? Do you know that the G does not stand for God and that it in fact stands for geometry and they worship a deity they call "the great architect of the universe" and do you know that at a specific degree they are sworn to never speak the name of Jesus or God again?

Do you realize that freemasonry has absolutly NOTHING to do with Christians and was NEVER started by them, leet or not.

Please do not lump Christians into that group, thanks.
and next time do your slaggin' homework before opening your uneducated mouth.

AncientSpark wrote:Freemasonry, in general, was an attempt by leet Christians in the middle ages and Renaissance to incorporate magical energy and symbolism under the Christian system. Sort of a "my magic is better than your magic" paradigm.

What do you know about freemasonry? Ever heard of Hiram Mabiff? Do you know that the G does not stand for God and that it in fact stands for geometry and they worship a deity they call "the great architect of the universe" and do you know that at a specific degree they are sworn to never speak the name of Jesus or God again?

Do you realize that freemasonry has absolutly NOTHING to do with Christians and was NEVER started by them, leet or not.

Please do not lump Christians into that group, thanks.
and next time do your slaggin' homework before opening your uneducated mouth.

You don't have to get so defensive. I nor anyone else is lumping Freemasonry with Christianity.

But the story of Jesus is not all that original with many elements borrowed from the story of Horus. And Horus is a key figure in Freemasonry.

Dark Zarak wrote:

moldavite wrote:I'm very skeptical about the "Face On Mars". But you know Hollywood...

The funny part is, if they did use the Face on Mars in the plot of TF2, I might just be a fan.

Because as fantasy, the Face is a good idea if done right. But on the other hand it will make millions of kids and paranoid people never shut up about the Face.


On second thought, I'd be pissed if they used it.

It would be funny if they find a secret NASA photograph of the Face On Mars in the movie and it happens to be Prime's face!

AncientSpark wrote:Hmm, I have not seen the comic covers of which you speak, but the cat-like legs only seem to be depicted in the protoform mode and not the standard Earth-mode. Will Prime re-scan for the next film? I doubt it. Some resemblance to Egyptian lore is probably purposeful due to the legend-status of Prime and just about all mythological leader-types. Other than a basic core similarity, I do not think much more on this really and am sorry, but this idea seems to be marginal in nature to the importance of keeping him PRIME and not bastardizing the character like the new cartoon has.

Please allow Prime to be his own legend and let the Egyptians have theirs. Optimus Prime would not approve of freemasonry because it requires faith in an idea that is not disclosed until an oath of secrecy by way of blood is taken, and that would not bode well with Prime in any way.

Who says the Freemasons are going to be the good guys in this movie? Maybe they are doing a David Icke-like conspiracy with all the above-33rd-degree Masons being major evil illuminati players. (In some conspiracy theories, their are Masonic degrees past 33, but those are secret. Those who attain these higher degrees become major Illuminati players and are secretly put into key positions of power.)

So maybe all these secret Masons are evil Illuminati types who either hate Prime, are afraid of him, or perhaps covet and want to capture him for some reason. Don't know why. Maybe they know something that no one else does. Perhaps the cube in the first movie was not the Allspark, but a simple plot device designed to throw us all off. Perhaps the cube was just a piece of technology created by Unicron or some other alien force to colonize all planets with technology by races of machines, serving their agenda of destroying all organic life in the process. Perhaps they know about and have their hands on the real Allspark. But they can't use its power, because it is destined to be joined with and controlled by only one being: Optimus Prime.

If the religion of Ancient Egypt was based on even older mythologies (like those from Atlantis and civilizations from space), and these mythologies were based on prophecies about the Allspark and the Transformer beings who are connected to it, then maybe Optimus is connected to the Horus myth. Perhaps that is why they are obsessed with Egyptions mythology and Horus.

So perhaps they are out trying to hunt Prime down, knowing that if they can capture and control him, then they can get him to use the Allspark to do their bidding. They would essentially have God-like power then, far above the power of the Cube!

First of all even IF this is true that he is filming a scene in Egypt we have no idea the nature of the scene so this is all really just speculation as to the nature of it.
There is absolutely no way to say who or what is in any scene at all, this may even be more disinformation to throw people off.

Transformers has always been an escape from the real world and a great one at that. There is no need to get political. Even with the aid of the military in the first film, it still was not a political film in any respect. Transformers never got into issues on religeon except for false ones when Astrotrain pretended to be a god to rule these naive people on some planet and it wasn't about faith, it was about being intelligent and not trusting people who want to rule over you and brainwash you. Outside of that one episode there never was a need to get political or religeous and TransFormers should STAY that way.

I say keep the freemasons and any OTHER cult out of the plot entirely. Let's focus on Megatron and Starscream instead, and their plots to rule the entire universe whilst fighting eachother every step of the way. That's TransFormers.