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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:42 am

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Praxus Prime wrote: Personally, I would say it's demons (I do believe in those). I'm a Christian, so I've looked around in the Bible for anything concerning "ghosts", and the best thing I've come up with so far is demons. I don't believe that they can physically harm me, but that they can make their presence known, and are more likely to do so in times of uncertainty or tumult.



The book of Revelation confirms the existence of Hades (during the final day of judgement, when the dead rise again, "...Hades will {open up} also...").

Ancient Greek Myth, in turn, puts potentially ghost-like entities in Hades, tho I leave the final categorization to you, I thought I'd suggest the consideration.

To be stricter with the act of translation, the Greek word for ghost is 'Phantasma' and for spirit is 'Pneuma' (pronounced Pnevma)(Pneumonia is a branch word for both the lungs and the illness, related to the medical concept of life at the time).Spirit, Pneuma and Psyche are seperate parts of the spiritual anatomy in Greece, as Soul,being,will,spirit etc are different in English ("A brook is not a Creek is not a stream is not a River...")

When the spirit of Jesus reappears to his followers, it is strictly designated to be his Pnevma in the Orthodox texts, never his Phantasm. Also, in Orthodox, the Holy spirit is called "To Agio Pneuma". There is no such term or concept as "The Holy Ghost". ("Agio" [Holy] translates to "A" ["Not of"] and "Gaia" ["Earth"]).

The Odyssey places Odysseus/Ulysses in Hades at one point. It doesn't say anything that I remember about spirits per se, just that he finds some people 'Necroi' ("as Dead", "In the state/status/condition/being of Death"). Amongst these are his Mother, who died while he was fighting at Troy and whom he had no idea had passed away, Agamemnon (I think) and Heracles/Hercules.

No real conclusion (tho I have no right to make up your mind for you in regards to a matter as prominent as spirituality,for lack of a better term), but thought I'd mention just in case it puts more structure somewhere for you.

EDIT: Where I type 'Confirms' I intended to type 'Acknowledges'.
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby Blast Cannon » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:17 pm

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Blast Cannon wrote:I know, actual evidence of the paranormal is pretty insane right? All you suckers have are stories! I've got the holy damn grail right there.

Teach me your methods, o wise one! :BOWDOWN:


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Praxus Prime wrote: Personally, I would say it's demons (I do believe in those). I'm a Christian, so I've looked around in the Bible for anything concerning "ghosts", and the best thing I've come up with so far is demons. I don't believe that they can physically harm me, but that they can make their presence known, and are more likely to do so in times of uncertainty or tumult.



The book of Revelation confirms the existence of Hades (during the final day of judgement, when the dead rise again, "...Hades will {open up} also...").

Ancient Greek Myth, in turn, puts potentially ghost-like entities in Hades, tho I leave the final categorization to you, I thought I'd suggest the consideration.

To be stricter with the act of translation, the Greek word for ghost is 'Phantasma' and for spirit is 'Pneuma' (pronounced Pnevma)(Pneumonia is a branch word for both the lungs and the illness, related to the medical concept of life at the time).Spirit, Pneuma and Psyche are seperate parts of the spiritual anatomy in Greece, as Soul,being,will,spirit etc are different in English ("A brook is not a Creek is not a stream is not a River...")

When the spirit of Jesus reappears to his followers, it is strictly designated to be his Pnevma in the Orthodox texts, never his Phantasm. Also, in Orthodox, the Holy spirit is called "To Agio Pneuma". There is no such term or concept as "The Holy Ghost". ("Agio" [Holy] translates to "A" ["Not of"] and "Gaia" ["Earth"]).

The Odyssey places Odysseus/Ulysses in Hades at one point. It doesn't say anything that I remember about spirits per se, just that he finds some people 'Necroi' ("as Dead", "In the state/status/condition/being of Death"). Amongst these are his Mother, who died while he was fighting at Troy and whom he had no idea had passed away, Agamemnon (I think) and Heracles/Hercules.

No real conclusion (tho I have no right to make up your mind for you in regards to a matter as prominent as spirituality,for lack of a better term), but thought I'd mention just in case it puts more structure somewhere for you.


I'm sorry, but are you actually giving someone theological advice on demons based on what you have read in the Iliad and the Odyssey?
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby RhA » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:41 pm

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Blast Cannon wrote:I know, actual evidence of the paranormal is pretty insane right? All you suckers have are stories! I've got the holy damn grail right there.

Teach me your methods, o wise one! :BOWDOWN:


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Praxus Prime wrote: Personally, I would say it's demons (I do believe in those). I'm a Christian, so I've looked around in the Bible for anything concerning "ghosts", and the best thing I've come up with so far is demons. I don't believe that they can physically harm me, but that they can make their presence known, and are more likely to do so in times of uncertainty or tumult.



The book of Revelation confirms the existence of Hades (during the final day of judgement, when the dead rise again, "...Hades will {open up} also...").

Ancient Greek Myth, in turn, puts potentially ghost-like entities in Hades, tho I leave the final categorization to you, I thought I'd suggest the consideration.

To be stricter with the act of translation, the Greek word for ghost is 'Phantasma' and for spirit is 'Pneuma' (pronounced Pnevma)(Pneumonia is a branch word for both the lungs and the illness, related to the medical concept of life at the time).Spirit, Pneuma and Psyche are seperate parts of the spiritual anatomy in Greece, as Soul,being,will,spirit etc are different in English ("A brook is not a Creek is not a stream is not a River...")

When the spirit of Jesus reappears to his followers, it is strictly designated to be his Pnevma in the Orthodox texts, never his Phantasm. Also, in Orthodox, the Holy spirit is called "To Agio Pneuma". There is no such term or concept as "The Holy Ghost". ("Agio" [Holy] translates to "A" ["Not of"] and "Gaia" ["Earth"]).

The Odyssey places Odysseus/Ulysses in Hades at one point. It doesn't say anything that I remember about spirits per se, just that he finds some people 'Necroi' ("as Dead", "In the state/status/condition/being of Death"). Amongst these are his Mother, who died while he was fighting at Troy and whom he had no idea had passed away, Agamemnon (I think) and Heracles/Hercules.

No real conclusion (tho I have no right to make up your mind for you in regards to a matter as prominent as spirituality,for lack of a better term), but thought I'd mention just in case it puts more structure somewhere for you.


I'm sorry, but are you actually giving someone theological advice on demons based on what you have read in the Iliad and the Odyssey?


Well it HAS to be true, because old stuff is never full of donkeyplop.
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby Praxus Prime » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:57 pm

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Blast Cannon wrote:Well it HAS to be true, because old stuff is never full of donkeyplop.

Donkeyplop?! That's my favorite ice cream!
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:25 am

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BeastProwl wrote:And as for the two of you thinking its "All in the mind" then how do you explain everyone in the room on christmas morning (My deadbeat uncle, POS grandfather, then annoying cousin, my other cousin I consider my brother, my saint of a grandmother, and my uncle's "Wife", and me) All juming and stairing at the wall at the same time? I saw an elderly man walk through the living room and out through the window. Just then my cousin asked "you saw him too?" I said "yeah" and he said it looked like an old man.


Mass-hysteria is one explaination.

It's really a powerfull force, a while ago I was at a schoolcamp (as a teacher). During dinnertime one table of six students got sick and went out to puke. While I was searchiong for the cause, antoher teacher explained to me that similar cases frequently occur. One gets sick for some reason and the rest convince themselves that they are too. A symptom not of sickness, but of social conformation.


The mind is a great thing, it can bullshit itself severely. All six girls where fine ten minutes later.


Tho I don't disagree with Mass Hysteria, ppl are known to puke when they see one prson retch or puke (just as a group will yawn if one member yawns in the case of a lot of different mammals).
Generic Psychology states that a person will be happier in an unfamiliar environment if they eat familiar food, moreso if it's from home rather than from the Hometown (ie- Nannas Sunday Roast than a McDonalds meal.If the food was exceptionally unfamiliar (eg Horse, Wichitty grub,Snail) they may have been ready to puke anyway.

If the food was familiar but the the ppl at this table were just being rebellious: Textbook rampaging hormones (assuming they were Teens), but as for a healthy group suddenly getting sick, I'll drop in the word Psychosomatics as well.

A more traditional/less mainstream conceptualization of Karma has a person store the anticipation of an experience on the grounds that they identify themselves as an individual who is likely to be subjected to that particular experience* (this whole setup being known as the Karmic body nowadays). It's theoretically very similar to simple premeditated action, but I don't see why these two technologies have to be alienated from one another or sit there trying to ridicule and shoot down one another.

*In the case of the girls, shot in the dark without having been there: That they are a unique group who does not have to partake in the actions of the greater collective, that someone in the immediate circle will always step in to help them on the grounds that they are frail,fragile etc., that if they can't be observed as frail, they will fake it;That if they can't fake it (Cuz Daddy isn't there) they suddenly get sick anyway: One gets sick,(or states she will be), the rest see the anticipated event window and use it so they all get sick (long enough to escape the 'chore' and to celebrate it-which can again be a premeditated and stored event that they are anticipating from much earlier).
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:51 am

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I'm sorry, but are you actually giving someone theological advice on demons based on what you have read in the Iliad and the Odyssey?[/quote]


For a start, Christianity is built on top of the older religions, Sciences and Lores already does that for me and you both, but I'm sure you were aware of that already. I can understand the knowledge slipping your mind in your haste to troll.

Secondly, I state I have no right to make up anothers' mind, which you saw as well.Wherever you honestly feel (rather than want to make it look like) you see me giving advice, treat it as guarded advice. Fact is I can do whatever I want.

What I'm doing is sharing some key reference points regarding the presence of a specific word (Ghosts) from a different edition of the same story (The Bible).

The Bible references Hades, so I cross reference the mention of Hades with some older texts, without dictating whether or not they actually used the term Ghost or not.(That is, I mention, without suggesting, further reading based on what I read in the Bible and based on what I read in this thread).

I haven't given anybody theological advice about Demons based on what I read in Homers' writings-or anyone elses- at all. This is an attempt by you to start throwing **** at something you've decided that you see as a target of low resistance. I accept your apology,tho I know you don't mean it.

I'm partaking in what I feel is a worthwhile general discussion in a general discussion forum.

Have I bothered you or has this subject bothered you? Is there something you want out of what you're doing or the reaction you're trying to get?
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby Blast Cannon » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:01 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:For a start, Christianity is built on top of the older religions, Sciences and Lores already does that for me and you both, but I'm sure you were aware of that already. I can understand the knowledge slipping your mind in your haste to troll.

Secondly, I state I have no right to make up anothers' mind, which you saw as well.Wherever you honestly feel (rather than want to make it look like) you see me giving advice, treat it as guarded advice. Fact is I can do whatever I want.

What I'm doing is sharing some key reference points regarding the presence of a specific word (Ghosts) from a different edition of the same story (The Bible).

The Bible references Hades, so I cross reference the mention of Hades with some older texts, without dictating whether or not they actually used the term Ghost or not.(That is, I mention, without suggesting, further reading based on what I read in the Bible and based on what I read in this thread).

I haven't given anybody theological advice about Demons based on what I read in Homers' writings-or anyone elses- at all. This is an attempt by you to start throwing **** at something you've decided that you see as a target of low resistance. I accept your apology,tho I know you don't mean it.

I'm partaking in what I feel is a worthwhile general discussion in a general discussion forum.

Have I bothered you or has this subject bothered you? Is there something you want out of what you're doing or the reaction you're trying to get?


Well somebody is all too familiar with the role of the victim. I won't bother with the majority of your nonsensical ramblings as you clearly labour under the asinine assumption that I am out to, as you put it, 'troll'. You won't get very far in life if this is the general reaction you give when anybody questions what you are saying but you can take that as 'guarded advice'.

First of all, I was asking a genuine question regarding your own 'advice' as I find it hard to believe that anybody could possibly gleam any legitimate information on the current topic from a fictional story about ancient Greek myths. Because that's what Homer's writings are, a work of fiction based on a semi-fictional war and you're using that source as a reference point in a debate about ghosts when in reality you may as well be quoting the Lord of the Rings based on the fact that Middle Earth has its own alluded to afterlife.

Second of all, I have neither the time or inclination to get into an etymological or semantic debate with you regarding the term 'ghosts'. Suffice to say that I think your reference points are about as relevant to the debate at hand as a particularly bad episode of the Real Ghostbusters.

You're clearly somebody who considers themselves to be very spiritual and well read in this discussion and if you feel threatened by somebody questioning your belief set then there are ways and means of entering a debate, particularly on a forum, without resorting to having nothing short of a **** fit. It's most unseemly.
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:39 am

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:For a start, Christianity is built on top of the older religions, Sciences and Lores already does that for me and you both, but I'm sure you were aware of that already. I can understand the knowledge slipping your mind in your haste to troll.

Secondly, I state I have no right to make up anothers' mind, which you saw as well.Wherever you honestly feel (rather than want to make it look like) you see me giving advice, treat it as guarded advice. Fact is I can do whatever I want.

What I'm doing is sharing some key reference points regarding the presence of a specific word (Ghosts) from a different edition of the same story (The Bible).

The Bible references Hades, so I cross reference the mention of Hades with some older texts, without dictating whether or not they actually used the term Ghost or not.(That is, I mention, without suggesting, further reading based on what I read in the Bible and based on what I read in this thread).

I haven't given anybody theological advice about Demons based on what I read in Homers' writings-or anyone elses- at all. This is an attempt by you to start throwing **** at something you've decided that you see as a target of low resistance. I accept your apology,tho I know you don't mean it.

I'm partaking in what I feel is a worthwhile general discussion in a general discussion forum.

Have I bothered you or has this subject bothered you? Is there something you want out of what you're doing or the reaction you're trying to get?


Well somebody is all too familiar with the role of the victim. I won't bother with the majority of your nonsensical ramblings as you clearly labour under the asinine assumption that I am out to, as you put it, 'troll'. You won't get very far in life if this is the general reaction you give when anybody questions what you are saying but you can take that as 'guarded advice'.

First of all, I was asking a genuine question regarding your own 'advice' as I find it hard to believe that anybody could possibly gleam any legitimate information on the current topic from a fictional story about ancient Greek myths. Because that's what Homer's writings are, a work of fiction based on a semi-fictional war and you're using that source as a reference point in a debate about ghosts when in reality you may as well be quoting the Lord of the Rings based on the fact that Middle Earth has its own alluded to afterlife.

Second of all, I have neither the time or inclination to get into an etymological or semantic debate with you regarding the term 'ghosts'. Suffice to say that I think your reference points are about as relevant to the debate at hand as a particularly bad episode of the Real Ghostbusters.

You're clearly somebody who considers themselves to be very spiritual and well read in this discussion and if you feel threatened by somebody questioning your belief set then there are ways and means of entering a debate, particularly on a forum, without resorting to having nothing short of a **** fit. It's most unseemly.



*It's not a debate, it's a discussion. Major diff.TROLLS look to lure ppl into debates in discussions.
*If you read or even skimread 50 posts and avoid contributing your own view but are willing to find and upload an image of Casper and declare yourself a chosen one, you have both time and inclination (to TROLL).
*You obviously consider yourself intellectually superior to everyone who had the balls to lay their TRUE point of view down in this thread. You tried to use ridicule, which tells every school student and above in the world that the issues are with you. Of all the ppl who were tempted to bag this thread, you succumbed. The rest resisted. Think about it.
*The genuine answer is given to your genuine question and you know it.
* The point of a discussion is to leave things open to discussion how is it that I fear being questioned if I leave others to draw their own conclusions? Who is pushing their belief sets, you or me?

Now, again: In the search for the presence or absence of a single word in an entire text, why is it wrong to reference an underlying text? It's not about whether those stories are real, whether the locations in those stories are real or not and whether or not they contain ghosts, it's about whether the English word GHOST is present in a non-English form that still ACCURATELY translates to GHOST in English in any edition of the same text (the Bible), or in foundation texts of said text.
It's not even the use of Spirituality but of Archival Reference. What does it matter if the story is real or not in the scan for the presence of a specific word?
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:45 am

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I've had a few experiences like that myself. One night at a friends house I saw a shadow shaped like a head move across the wall directly above the window. I don't know what could have caused that since it was above the window, so it couldn't have been from a passing car. Nobody walked by and there weren't any light sources strong enough to cast such a perfectly defined shadow.

A few years ago there was this house I walked by and I got such a weird feeling from it. It's hard to explain, but I could feel something coming from that house. I got the same weird vibe every time I walked past it until they started doing renovations on it.

There's a graveyard I walk past all the time, but I never payed much attention to it. Then one day I got that same weird feeling I got from the house. I looked around to see if there was anything going on and there was a tent set up with some flowers around it. It's an odd coincidence that I get that same weird feeling on the same day someone it getting buried.
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Well, then, here is a list of POSITIVE 'paranomal' experiences to ease your mind:

* Obi Wans description of the Force in A New Hope.(As Qui Gon says- Focus determines reality- dwelling on Old Bens words grants a feeling of shared control in an encounter with anything spooky, in my opinion).

* Getting up on time to go somewhere, getting interrupted by something like an 'annoying' visit or phone call that drags on, leaving 2 hours late and accidentally running into somebody important from the past who has been out of your life for ages, would never otherwise have been re-encountered, and turns out to be a welcome return!

*KNOWING that the next batch of Transformers have arrived in the shop *Today!!!!!!* (Don't tell me it's never happened to each of you- I won't believe you readily unless you only collect casually or have just begun). It happened to me with Armada wave 1 and TFP/RID wave 1 and still happens with the latest posted Epic Rap Battles of History on YouTube every now and then.

*Suddenly deciding to turn left instead of right down some street, and then suddenly avoiding a brawl or coming across an accident where you can help.

*Picking up the phone to call someone just when it rings and it's them!

*Opening a random book in a random bookshop to a random page, reading a paragraph of blah, and then magically being specifically equipped to stop two friends from breaking up a year later with that exact suddenly recalled blah!

*Getting the urge to start a chat with a total stranger who turns out to have significant information or loads of stuff in common with you.

*Channel surfing and having characters in different shows all have the same name.(huh? moment-happened to me more than once with News reports, then Law & Order shows & some Greys anatomy type show about plastic Surgeons, with a name & case repeated the next night on some other Crime Night type show).

*Standing around the front door in a hurry to leave, positive you forgot something & trying hard & fast to remember what it is you forgot, when the phone rings to tell you "don't rush cuz I'm running late"- and it turns out during your more casual post phone call triplecheck that you never forgot anything in the first place.

Things like that happen to me all the time, but they're rarely positive. For example I managed to find a couple of HA Mudflaps for really cheap at TJ Maxx. One for me and I was going to sell the other on ebay. I didn't have a camera and when I finally managed to get some pictures of it my paypal account got hacked that very same day. I never used the damn thing and it had to get hacked on that day of all others.
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby Blast Cannon » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:33 pm

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*If you read or even skimread 50 posts and avoid contributing your own view but are willing to find and upload an image of Casper and declare yourself a chosen one, you have both time and inclination (to TROLL).
*You obviously consider yourself intellectually superior to everyone who had the balls to lay their TRUE point of view down in this thread. You tried to use ridicule, which tells every school student and above in the world that the issues are with you. Of all the ppl who were tempted to bag this thread, you succumbed. The rest resisted. Think about it.
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* The point of a discussion is to leave things open to discussion how is it that I fear being questioned if I leave others to draw their own conclusions? Who is pushing their belief sets, you or me?

Now, again: In the search for the presence or absence of a single word in an entire text, why is it wrong to reference an underlying text? It's not about whether those stories are real, whether the locations in those stories are real or not and whether or not they contain ghosts, it's about whether the English word GHOST is present in a non-English form that still ACCURATELY translates to GHOST in English in any edition of the same text (the Bible), or in foundation texts of said text.
It's not even the use of Spirituality but of Archival Reference. What does it matter if the story is real or not in the scan for the presence of a specific word?


What? Trolls want to lure you into a debate? The thinking man's wind up merchant! A little on the paranoid side, aren't you?

Yes, usually a lot of my posts are quite lackadaisical in nature, even in what you might consider to be 'serious' topics (I certainly have the time and inclination for that!). That's how I am. Stop taking life and what people post on a Transformer's message board so seriously and you might enjoy it a little bit more.

No, I don't consider myself intellectually superior to anybody on the internet. I don't know you past your handle and the way you come across in your posts. I don't think in terms of "his opinion is wrong, therefore I am superior to this person in every way. Now I shall post an image of Casper in a display of self assured mockery of all those who have posted previously! Mwa ha ha ha!"

I fail to see how I could be pushing my belief set in one instance, yet not bothering to contribute a viewpoint in another? Never mind. As for the rest of your post, I told you that I wasn't getting into a semantic debate. People are posting 'true stories' or experiences, you are treating us all to the fascinatingly contemporary fact that the afterlife was mentioned in works of fiction. I did not, nor do I not, understand the relevance to the actual discussion taking place!

My slightly jesting original post was designed to provoke an explanation, not this current tedious exchange.

Also, BeastProwl, I like to air my dirty laundry in public! Complete transparency is essential to an open democracy. :KREMZEEK:
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:28 am

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Understood Beastprowl. I prefer the arena of 1000+ views as well and the Troll is a Troll but I'll respect and stand down (for now).

The Stymphalide Ornithes (blade-tipped fowl) that Heracles fights match the overall description of Velociraptors. Not the Jurassic Park steroid version but the actual Museum combat goose version.
That being the cross reference of Pre Homeric Myth with a Spielberg movie.


The Feathered-Serpent-is-an-Alien story is the one, maybe the only one, that I can't disprove to myself so far. There have been allegations lately that Spaceship references appearing in Hindu Myth (I don't know enough but something about a flying superweapon) and Greek (The Argo, which 'glided over the water'). To be honest I stopped caring about stories regarding Aliens that left & will return in the year 1984,1999,2000,2012 etc ages ago.If they come, they come.If they don't, they don't.
HOWEVER, even tho I don't have an opinion as to whether the same aliens who allegedly came with the feathered Serpent were busy refuelling their Spaceships on the tips of the Pharaohs' Pyramids in Egypt (a popular 80s theory), Autopsy results on mummified Ancient Egyptians (of social status)have found Cocaine in their lungs & throats. Cocaine only came from South America at the time, so there was some kind of cultural exchange going on between the two groups regarding their two opinions of the skies (and reasons for Pyramids being aligned with sky themes).
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby Blast Cannon » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:07 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:Understood Beastprowl. I prefer the arena of 1000+ views as well and the Troll is a Troll but I'll respect and stand down (for now).


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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby BeastProwl » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:19 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:Understood Beastprowl. I prefer the arena of 1000+ views as well and the Troll is a Troll but I'll respect and stand down (for now).


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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:30 pm

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I've been watching weird ass 2-3 hour videos all day yesterday and today about this kind of stuff.
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby Dagon » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:42 am

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What I've never understood is how belief in the paranormal is usually decried as silly or groundless, while belief in religion is totally fine, and even admirable. Belief in either requires an acceptance of things one does not understand or have concrete knowledge of. Yes, concrete, because no matter how hard either side rails on the notion of "it's true because I believe it to be true" (looking at you religion.....) that is in no way at all grounds for accepting the belief as true in a concrete sense.

I believe in the paranormal more than aliens, although the alien stuff is pretty cool for looking in to, but I am the first person to understand that my belief in it is simply that. But look, in all reality, if everyone conceded that belief in unseen presences and unexplainable happenings was silly and that there's no way someone could still inhabit the mortal realm after they've died or that visitors from the heavens came to us and somehow improved our lives or had contact with us, and that there was no reason to believe in stories that portray such events or that people who maintain a belief in them were not to be taken seriously, religion in general would be on the short list of things that now classify as a silly or pointless belief. I've never been sure how seeing a ghost is a hallucination and no other possible explaination is even needed but seeing Jesus' face in a potato chip is a sign of the true existence of god. If I think I woke up in the middle of the night and see an alien in my room I'm 'clearly' still dreaming, but if I replace the alien with an angel somehow it's a proof of my faith, when we know it's the same thing. We accept religion as a society and relegate the paranormal to something that guys in Ed Hardy shirts do on the Travel Channel.

Now, I know, I know. Religion is an act of faith, and you must believe in it for it to have meaning or be true. Somehow, that just isn't applicable to a belief in the paranormal though.
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:10 am

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Dagon wrote:What I've never understood is how belief in the paranormal is usually decried as silly or groundless, while belief in religion is totally fine, and even admirable. Belief in either requires an acceptance of things one does not understand or have concrete knowledge of. Yes, concrete, because no matter how hard either side rails on the notion of "it's true because I believe it to be true" (looking at you religion.....) that is in no way at all grounds for accepting the belief as true in a concrete sense.

I believe in the paranormal more than aliens, although the alien stuff is pretty cool for looking in to, but I am the first person to understand that my belief in it is simply that. But look, in all reality, if everyone conceded that belief in unseen presences and unexplainable happenings was silly and that there's no way someone could still inhabit the mortal realm after they've died or that visitors from the heavens came to us and somehow improved our lives or had contact with us, and that there was no reason to believe in stories that portray such events or that people who maintain a belief in them were not to be taken seriously, religion in general would be on the short list of things that now classify as a silly or pointless belief. I've never been sure how seeing a ghost is a hallucination and no other possible explaination is even needed but seeing Jesus' face in a potato chip is a sign of the true existence of god. If I think I woke up in the middle of the night and see an alien in my room I'm 'clearly' still dreaming, but if I replace the alien with an angel somehow it's a proof of my faith, when we know it's the same thing. We accept religion as a society and relegate the paranormal to something that guys in Ed Hardy shirts do on the Travel Channel.

Now, I know, I know. Religion is an act of faith, and you must believe in it for it to have meaning or be true. Somehow, that just isn't applicable to a belief in the paranormal though.

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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:14 pm

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Dagon wrote:What I've never understood is how belief in the paranormal is usually decried as silly or groundless, while belief in religion is totally fine, and even admirable. Belief in either requires an acceptance of things one does not understand or have concrete knowledge of. Yes, concrete, because no matter how hard either side rails on the notion of "it's true because I believe it to be true" (looking at you religion.....) that is in no way at all grounds for accepting the belief as true in a concrete sense.


>>>>>Absolutely agree with you, but there are so many schools of thought cancelling each other out that anyone who investigates for themselves will get bogged down- the only thing immediately provable is that each group will distill or camoflage their own messages for marketing.

Regarding "Its true cuz I believe so": At a party I was at once there was a Muslim kid pretty much alone in the corner. I decided to chat with him and found him very (defensively) standoffish but decided to stick at being friendly-(Confession:It was at the early[ish] stage but I could see he was getting increasingly isolated, drunk and violent and I had decided to intercept that).
He continuously turned the chat to differences between Australia (where this happened) and the Middle East and the culture shock in him was evident,even tho he was 2nd Gen. I saw him leaning towards spiritual/religious fundamentals, so I decided to just cut to the chase and ask him to tell me about Islam, Allah and the Q'Ran. It took a few tries (and I'm in no way stereotyping ANYBODY here,BTW), but he eventually acknowledged that I meant what I was asking. He calmed down visibly and immediately, locked my gaze with a very strong, MATURE AND WISE one of his own and said "Allah is a state of mind", with a demeanor to the effect of "How many times will I have to tell you before I get through to you?".
My point: How definitely can one argue that this is not a scientific approach, and how can the consideration "I believe because I believe" remain unsupported by a scientific comment which in this case is close to perfectly Mystical?

Each group has enough 'perfectly scientific & yet Mystical' arguments to prove the rest out as non believers.

(Go to a Hardcore Christian who grew up afraid of "The Commies" during the Cold War, and tell them "The only Communist was Jesus-He owned nothing and Shared anything he had with him" and they might even go a little berserk) (even tho the counterargument is "Whaddaya mean he owned nothing? The Dude is like the Prince of Heaven and Earth!").


I believe in the paranormal more than aliens, although the alien stuff is pretty cool for looking in to, but I am the first person to understand that my belief in it is simply that. But look, in all reality, if everyone conceded that belief in unseen presences and unexplainable happenings was silly and that there's no way someone could still inhabit the mortal realm after they've died or that visitors from the heavens came to us and somehow improved our lives or had contact with us, and that there was no reason to believe in stories that portray such events or that people who maintain a belief in them were not to be taken seriously, religion in general would be on the short list of things that now classify as a silly or pointless belief. I've never been sure how seeing a ghost is a hallucination and no other possible explaination is even needed but seeing Jesus' face in a potato chip is a sign of the true existence of god. If I think I woke up in the middle of the night and see an alien in my room I'm 'clearly' still dreaming, but if I replace the alien with an angel somehow it's a proof of my faith, when we know it's the same thing. We accept religion as a society and relegate the paranormal to something that guys in Ed Hardy shirts do on the Travel Channel.

Now, I know, I know. Religion is an act of faith, and you must believe in it for it to have meaning or be true. Somehow, that just isn't applicable to a belief in the paranormal though.


>>>>> I suggest that asking ourselves if we saw a Ghost, Alien, Angel and so on is an act of faith as well (as is asking ourselves if we didn't but totally wanted to). Moments of truth are always faced alone, and all of us will eventually have to ask ourselves what we are experiencing on the paranormal side of things. I reckon almost all of us (not including a bunch of Zen Masters somewhere, the odd Golden Child, a Rasputin or two) are unprepared for that final truth because of our conditioning (and we shouldn't hold other peoples' conditioning against them but we do and our religions and Sciences even tell us to).

Re: Truth vs faith- Science will track brain 'energy', concluding that we only use (up to 15% now, depending on the source) of our brain without saying that electrical frequencies that change can't be accurately tracked and without counting the Brains' messages in the spine and nerves as Brain Energy.

Science has been sitting around ignoring the sudden inability to disprove the existence of Chi,Ki,Qi when the actual term KInetic energy starts with what sound?

The Church of scientology published an article I found in a TV guide (!) saying that anyone who reported past life recollection in which they were royalty were in fact just lonely & sad & needed help from a special book available via phone order. Later, so many ppl who watched the Titanic movie had past life experiences about being on the Titanic that you could fill 45 Titanics with 'em. So do ppl 'invent' past lives about being rich & unstoppable or about suffering horribly?
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:25 pm

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This isnt a thread about beliefs, its a thread about experiences with unexplainable things.
Like, after I read this popular "Creepypasta" about Jeff The Killer, I thought, eh, not that bad a story i guess, but then I saw his face after the incident, and now that damn face of his haunts me, and the reason why is simple. I was able to read the story behind WHY his face turned out the way it did, so now that everything scary about him is explained, the un believable becomes believable and so on. The story was made to make his face believable, thus making it haunt you. They never mention that, but thats the only thing that makes any sort of sense. Heres his mug BTW: You may want to close your eyes before scrolling down if you dont want to see him. It's hard to un-see his horrific face. At least for me...
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby Blast Cannon » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:42 pm

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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

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Really? Who's worse than jeff?

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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

Postby Blast Cannon » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:16 am

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Blast Cannon wrote:Meh. I've woken up to worse.

Really? Who's worse than jeff?

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From my hazy memory of events, I believe that her name was Kirsty....
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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

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Blast Cannon wrote:Meh. I've woken up to worse.

Really? Who's worse than jeff?

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From my hazy memory of events, I believe that her name was Kirsty....

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Re: Paranormal and other unexplained things: A discussion.

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Like, after I read this popular "Creepypasta" about Jeff The Killer, I thought, eh, not that bad a story i guess, but then I saw his face after the incident, and now that damn face of his haunts me, and the reason why is simple. I was able to read the story behind WHY his face turned out the way it did, so now that everything scary about him is explained, the un believable becomes believable and so on. The story was made to make his face believable, thus making it haunt you. They never mention that, but thats the only thing that makes any sort of sense. Heres his mug BTW: You may want to close your eyes before scrolling down if you dont want to see him. It's hard to un-see his horrific face. At least for me...


Yeah the face is really f#%king haunting, but that, that is not what haunts me about jeff the killer. Nor is it the story, it's that I was reading about, and the story, the original creepypasta takes place in the general area that I live. yay * sarcasm*
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