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Look, Seibertronians, I'm going to discuss a topic here, a topic that hardly any of you will even want to read after hearing these next two words: THE TWINS
I know why they were taken out
I know how they would have died
I know how they would have acted
But why remove them?
like the remaining Arcee sister, Jolt, Longhaul, (Even though there is a protoform in TF3 that looks alot like him), the twins were givin the shaft.
I find this rather harsh.
See, In a movie like DOTM, the level of maturaty was so high, the twins would be welcomed, and here's why:
Skids and Mudflap BOTH have been on earth with the Autobots for the last 3 years. They could have been mature in DOTM. They didn't need to be wise-ass smack talking lumps of non-transforming metal. The maturity they have gained would have allowed them to be soldiers. sure, they'de have quirks, but so does every other 'bot on the team! I Mean skids must really like blending in like a ninja if you guys are gonna say he was there the whole time
All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film.
As far as steriotyping goes, I guess we can kiss the wreckers AND Dino goodbye! Steriotypes we'll never see again! Someone will get offended! They always are!
A Beer gutted irish nascar? hell, one of them's even green! Oh, what's that? A mullet?
A Firrari with an Italian Accent?
(Clearely Offensive and therefore dangerous to viewers)
Ironhide and que both died, Ironhide from a canister of cosmic rust, and poor que's death made me cry, but the one thing that I took away from that movie was how pollitical correctness screwed the pooch once again in my honest to god opinion. say what you like about the twins, poor ironhide, and que. RIP to all of them.

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

BeastProwl wrote:As far as steriotyping goes, I guess we can kiss the wreckers AND Dino goodbye! Steriotypes we'll never see again! Someone will get offended! They always are!
A Beer gutted irish nascar? hell, one of them's even green! Oh, what's that? A mullet?
A Firrari with an Italian Accent?
(Clearely Offensive and therefore dangerous to viewers)
Ironhide and que both died, Ironhide from a canister of cosmic rust, and poor que's death made me cry, but the one thing that I took away from that movie was how pollitical correctness screwed the pooch once again in my honest to god opinion. say what you like about the twins, poor ironhide, and que. RIP to all of them.

The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.

Dino, is out of their hands. His name and accent were mandated by Ferrari, according to news about the character and the deal to allow a Ferrari to be used. Blame the Italians on this one. To be honest though, I fail to see how it put them in a bad light. Dino was a competent soldier, he was well spoken and intelligent. Nothing offensive about him.

Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.

Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.

Autobot032 wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

BeastProwl wrote:As far as steriotyping goes, I guess we can kiss the wreckers AND Dino goodbye! Steriotypes we'll never see again! Someone will get offended! They always are!
A Beer gutted irish nascar? hell, one of them's even green! Oh, what's that? A mullet?
A Firrari with an Italian Accent?
(Clearely Offensive and therefore dangerous to viewers)
Ironhide and que both died, Ironhide from a canister of cosmic rust, and poor que's death made me cry, but the one thing that I took away from that movie was how pollitical correctness screwed the pooch once again in my honest to god opinion. say what you like about the twins, poor ironhide, and que. RIP to all of them.

The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.

Dino, is out of their hands. His name and accent were mandated by Ferrari, according to news about the character and the deal to allow a Ferrari to be used. Blame the Italians on this one. To be honest though, I fail to see how it put them in a bad light. Dino was a competent soldier, he was well spoken and intelligent. Nothing offensive about him.

Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.
Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.

well, Dino is, I guess, Give or take.
The "Mexican Standoff" Was by far the most hilarious thing I've ever seen.
Still, the twins got a bum wrap and they would have looked good alongside ironhide and sideswipe, not to mention that they could have proven vital points in the fights against shockwave, soundwave, and sentinel. they would have eventually been cannon fodder for a fact, but they should still have been a part of all this. same with jolt AND Arcee.
and what about that commercial jet? You see that guy? I think that was going to be silverbolt, but he was edited out as well.

down to the point.
Wreckers
Dino
Brains
Wheelie
doesn't matter.
the fact that enough people complain about 1 thing can get two surefire characters banned just steams me.

also, if sly see's this, I'm 100% Behind you and your nemesis prime theory, it's that missing piece of the puzzle we need.

Autobot032 wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

So I wasn't crazy for thinking that was a piece of Skids.

Thanks.

RhA wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

So I wasn't crazy for thinking that was a piece of Skids.

Thanks.

And if I remember correctly, someone even screams out their names just before the fiery debris flies out of the garage entrance when Mearing's team is approaching.

I'm sure someone has said this before in another thread so forgive me if I sound plagiaristic but here's how I look at it:
There are aspects of all three Michael Bay Transformers movies that everyone liked and disliked. From what I've seen on these forums since I started participating just prior to DOTM's premiere, there is one thing that Mr Bay must be given credit for above and beyond anything else: his work has inspired tremendous discussion and debate amongst a vast and diverse community of people devoted to the Transformers brand. For better or for worse, Michael Bay and the stars of the live-action films have left an indelible mark on the brand and its millions of fans worldwide.

Plus, he's made a s***-ton of cash off these movies too.

Autobot032 wrote:

RhA wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.

But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.

So I wasn't crazy for thinking that was a piece of Skids.

Thanks.

And if I remember correctly, someone even screams out their names just before the fiery debris flies out of the garage entrance when Mearing's team is approaching.

ok, well when it comes out on dvd, and footage starts popping up on youtube, your gonna have to show me these Skids and Mudlap scenes.

Not being American or in America, some references escape me so I hope you can enlighten me.

I don't really understand some of these accusations of political correctness/ incorrectness when there are traits seen in shows of these sort.

Some examples:

1. Skids and Mudflap - the furore due to the gold tooth, the language "e.g. capping yo ass") etc brings up slave past? Would Megatron's/ Starscream's "Come here, boy" also evoke this?

2. Wreckers and Rednecks - I know nothing much about Rednecks beyond the racist stereotypes. But it started confusing me when some toy reviewers mentioned the connection, especially the mullets. Are mullets associated with rednecks exclusively? Because I know of friends who are coloured be they black or Asian, who also wear that style.

3. The Dreads - I thought it was obvious that they were given a Jamaican feel. Does that make it a racist slur? To me I thought they were super cool, especially on the highway...reminded me of some clips of really good Jamaican Parkour practioners I've seen in action: somersaulting, vaulting, handspringing etc with dreads blowing in the air.

When you watch a movie, you'll see good guys, you'll see bad guys. If a bad guy is black, is that racism? And hence translated to the Transformers setting, where certain robots take on certain traits, it becomes a direct attack?

For example, in the Star Wars prequels, the Nemoidians were given Asian accents. Being Asian myself, while I may not have liked the decision, it was a long way towards feeling the film makers were deliberately casting racial slurs. After all why would they think to alienate at least half the paying movie going world?

Even more ridiculous to me have been claims like
- Jet Li as a villain in Lethal Weapon 4 = racist against Chinese
- Cyril Raffaeli in Die Hard 4 = racist against French

Perhaps someone can explain more because it confuses me when these discussions come up. Some seem like total non sequuntur to me.

Why are people complaining about The Dreads. They didn't talk at all, no jokes were made about they're appearance, so why are people complaining.

If a weed joke was made I could understand, but there was no such joke.

Jamacian wasn't the first thought when I saw the Dreads. Mine was "holy shit, it's a robot Predator."