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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby nikeprime » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:44 am

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Its a shame they were removed, because what happens in the novel would of been a perfect redemption for them both.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Noideaforaname » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:34 am

If people had problems with the Twins before, painting them black and killing them off probably wouldn't come across as "redemption."
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Biddybot » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:31 am

I've never minded the Twins. I guess I see them more as part of a much broader stereotype than some people do--they're just Two Stupid Guys to me. Bill and Ted, Beavis and Butthead, the nontalking Darryl brothers from the Newhart show (the third brother was relatively 'bright' by comparison), the two twits from the Dumb And Dumber movies, hell, even Cheech and Chong, if you want to go back that far...all examples of Two Stupid Guys and their relationships to one another or their specific racial types or even their species don't much matter. Two Stupid Guys should not be confused with Two Dumb Gals or The Idiot Couple or the more solitary, case-by-case Bimbo and Bozo stereotypes.

Stupidity doesn't necessarily negate courage either. Chalk me up as another person who would've enjoyed watching the Twins go out in a dissolve of glory fighting Sentinel Prime.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Optimus1138 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:41 pm

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I think it would've been good to show their deaths to show how evil and dangerous Sentinel is.

Noideaforaname wrote:If people had problems with the Twins before, painting them black and killing them off probably wouldn't come across as "redemption."


If they died heroically enough, that could "redeem" them in some people's eyes.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:47 pm

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Optimus1138 wrote:I think it would've been good to show their deaths to show how evil and dangerous Sentinel is.

Noideaforaname wrote:If people had problems with the Twins before, painting them black and killing them off probably wouldn't come across as "redemption."


If they died heroically enough, that could "redeem" them in some people's eyes.

It would have in mine, especially if they got the audience to bond with them alittle first! they would be warriors by this point in time,and if it was anything like Q's death, then I would have cried, probably.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby shamone » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:57 am

Autobot032 wrote:
shamone wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:
shamone wrote:delighted twins were kicked off the movie

a victory for political correctness


And a lose for continuity.


im sorry bu there is only response to that

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You're not sorry. Stop it. You're an instigator and you know it.

You have no right to mock his opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but he's entitled to it without having to be treated in this manner.


no i really am sorry, sorry that fans care mor about continuity than bay

i wasnt laughing at his opinion, just that he thinks the twins ruin the continuity

what about jolt, potentially one of the arcees, barricade in the second movie

none of those were removed because of political correctness were they
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby BeastProwl » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:30 am

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shamone wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
shamone wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:
shamone wrote:delighted twins were kicked off the movie

a victory for political correctness


And a lose for continuity.


im sorry bu there is only response to that

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You're not sorry. Stop it. You're an instigator and you know it.

You have no right to mock his opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but he's entitled to it without having to be treated in this manner.


no i really am sorry, sorry that fans care mor about continuity than bay

i wasnt laughing at his opinion, just that he thinks the twins ruin the continuity

what about jolt, potentially one of the arcees, barricade in the second movie

none of those were removed because of political correctness were they

Theres been enough bitching about arcee, she didnt make the cut cause she wouldnt fit, and like jolt, wasnt supposed to be in the third film from the get go. it's not like she was in the movie and edited out for some dumb reason. barricade came back in 3 huh? Yeah, and jolt was just a chevy volt product placement, and we were told from the beginning that he didnt make the cut. the twins were bitched out of the film!
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby shamone » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:34 am

BeastProwl wrote:
shamone wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
shamone wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:
shamone wrote:delighted twins were kicked off the movie

a victory for political correctness


And a lose for continuity.


im sorry bu there is only response to that

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You're not sorry. Stop it. You're an instigator and you know it.

You have no right to mock his opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but he's entitled to it without having to be treated in this manner.


no i really am sorry, sorry that fans care mor about continuity than bay

i wasnt laughing at his opinion, just that he thinks the twins ruin the continuity

what about jolt, potentially one of the arcees, barricade in the second movie

none of those were removed because of political correctness were they

Theres been enough bitching about arcee, she didnt make the cut cause she wouldnt fit, and like jolt, wasnt supposed to be in the third film from the get go. it's not like she was in the movie and edited out for some dumb reason. barricade came back in 3 huh? Yeah, and jolt was just a chevy volt product placement, and we were told from the beginning that he didnt make the cut. the twins were bitched out of the film!


well i dont blame bay for the continuity flaw of the twins, if the reason the coninuity error is because the editors included scenes with the twins

that was just ****** and shoddy
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Marcdachamp » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:13 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:
Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.


First of, i loved the Wreckers. Probabaly my favorite characters in DOTM. I felt there accents were fitting, but am I the only one who thinks they were given the scotish accents so people in no way shape or form could claim they were stereotypical nascar fans?


Yeah, you probably are the only one who thinks that. :grin:

The Wreckers had accents that originated from the UK because the Wreckers first appeared in comics from the UK. It was a nod to their history.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby ScreamerFTW » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:50 pm

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What gets me is if you don't like the Twins why wouldn't you want to see them get killed? In the book didn't take the hits for Bumble Bee and the other Autobots? (Minus Ironhide of course) At least it would have been an honorable death

Too true. I can't remember which twin died first, but one of them jumped in the path of the blast to save Bumblebee. The other, enraged by this, tackles Sentinel, gets a few good whacks in before, during and after being shot with the barrel in his mouth. He crumbles and Sentinel brushes him away like nothing had happened and continues his rampage.

People hated the twins so much, they didn't want them to have a hero's redemption. They wanted them gone, no matter the cost. Their hatred is out of control.


Now I'm thinking of how awesome it would be if he took the Novel into consideration and had Bumblebee die (because of no Twins) to show that political correctness ruins everything.... that would make me laugh pretty hard
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:51 pm

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Marcdachamp wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:
Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.


First of, i loved the Wreckers. Probabaly my favorite characters in DOTM. I felt there accents were fitting, but am I the only one who thinks they were given the scotish accents so people in no way shape or form could claim they were stereotypical nascar fans?


Yeah, you probably are the only one who thinks that. :grin:

The Wreckers had accents that originated from the UK because the Wreckers first appeared in comics from the UK. It was a nod to their history.


I sincerely doubt it was that. I'm guessing it was to keep the bitchers at bay. (No pun intended.)
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby SlyTF1 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:57 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:
Marcdachamp wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:
Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.


First of, i loved the Wreckers. Probabaly my favorite characters in DOTM. I felt there accents were fitting, but am I the only one who thinks they were given the scotish accents so people in no way shape or form could claim they were stereotypical nascar fans?


Yeah, you probably are the only one who thinks that. :grin:

The Wreckers had accents that originated from the UK because the Wreckers first appeared in comics from the UK. It was a nod to their history.


I sincerely doubt it was that. I'm guessing it was to keep the bitchers at bay. (No pun intended.)


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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Marcdachamp » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:05 pm

Autobot032 wrote:I sincerely doubt it was that. I'm guessing it was to keep the bitchers at bay. (No pun intended.)


Why would you doubt it was that? They made a couple nods to the comics, including using the same name their ship had in the comics.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:20 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:I sincerely doubt it was that. I'm guessing it was to keep the bitchers at bay. (No pun intended.)


Why would you doubt it was that? They made a couple nods to the comics, including using the same name their ship had in the comics.


The honest truth? Bay usually doesn't go for fanwank, period. He most certainly wouldn't go for one that obscure.

I'm almost certain he went for rednecks, but at the last minute just decided to stop the potential backlash.

If I'm wrong, so be it, but I have a feeling this is the honest story.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:08 pm

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shamone wrote:
no i really am sorry, sorry that fans care mor about continuity than bay

i wasnt laughing at his opinion, just that he thinks the twins ruin the continuity

what about jolt, potentially one of the arcees, barricade in the second movie

none of those were removed because of political correctness were they


Your not getting my point. Arcee was not planned to be in DOTM. Neither was Jolt. The point is the twins for all intents and purposes were in the 3rd movie. They were filmed in scenes, they were writen in the script and they served a purpose. Then they were removed because political correctness. So in this case i'd put it more on fans about continuity than Bay.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:11 pm

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5150 Cruiser wrote:
shamone wrote:
no i really am sorry, sorry that fans care mor about continuity than bay

i wasnt laughing at his opinion, just that he thinks the twins ruin the continuity

what about jolt, potentially one of the arcees, barricade in the second movie

none of those were removed because of political correctness were they


Your not getting my point. Arcee was not planned to be in DOTM. Neither was Jolt. The point is the twins for all intents and purposes were in the 3rd movie. They were filmed in scenes, they were writen in the script and they served a purpose. Then they were removed because political correctness. So in this case i'd put it more on fans about continuity than Bay.


*psst* C'mere...

He does get it, has all along. I still think he was trolling. He got called on the carpet for it and is now trying to back pedal. Don't feed him. He wouldn't have laughed and treated your post as asinine if he was being sincere.

And you're right. They did screw up the continuity and flow of the film by cutting them out. Those scenes involving the hangar when they're supposed to be around are choppy and feel rushed like something was there but now it's not.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Optimus1138 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:46 am

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Autobot032 wrote:
Marcdachamp wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:
Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.


First of, i loved the Wreckers. Probabaly my favorite characters in DOTM. I felt there accents were fitting, but am I the only one who thinks they were given the scotish accents so people in no way shape or form could claim they were stereotypical nascar fans?


Yeah, you probably are the only one who thinks that. :grin:

The Wreckers had accents that originated from the UK because the Wreckers first appeared in comics from the UK. It was a nod to their history.


I sincerely doubt it was that. I'm guessing it was to keep the bitchers at bay. (No pun intended.)


I have a feeling that it was either this or as an homage to Scotty from Star Trek (engineers who work on a starship and have Scottish accents).
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby shamone » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:59 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:
shamone wrote:
no i really am sorry, sorry that fans care mor about continuity than bay

i wasnt laughing at his opinion, just that he thinks the twins ruin the continuity

what about jolt, potentially one of the arcees, barricade in the second movie

none of those were removed because of political correctness were they


Your not getting my point. Arcee was not planned to be in DOTM. Neither was Jolt. The point is the twins for all intents and purposes were in the 3rd movie. They were filmed in scenes, they were writen in the script and they served a purpose. Then they were removed because political correctness. So in this case i'd put it more on fans about continuity than Bay.



their absence did not take anything away from the story, it didnt leave a gap in the story

loads of things are planned in movies but dont happen, arcee was meant to be in the first movie

Autobot032 wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:
shamone wrote:
no i really am sorry, sorry that fans care mor about continuity than bay

i wasnt laughing at his opinion, just that he thinks the twins ruin the continuity

what about jolt, potentially one of the arcees, barricade in the second movie

none of those were removed because of political correctness were they


Your not getting my point. Arcee was not planned to be in DOTM. Neither was Jolt. The point is the twins for all intents and purposes were in the 3rd movie. They were filmed in scenes, they were writen in the script and they served a purpose. Then they were removed because political correctness. So in this case i'd put it more on fans about continuity than Bay.


*psst* C'mere...

He does get it, has all along. I still think he was trolling. He got called on the carpet for it and is now trying to back pedal. Don't feed him. He wouldn't have laughed and treated your post as asinine if he was being sincere.

And you're right. They did screw up the continuity and flow of the film by cutting them out. Those scenes involving the hangar when they're supposed to be around are choppy and feel rushed like something was there but now it's not.


where did you get the power to interpret others thoughts and actions

Mods ahve already warned people for accusing others of trolling because they disagree. im sure you are not immune to that warning !

I would have laughed and i still do when someone believes by cares about continuity. he had an actor play two different roles in the first two movies for example

and what are the excuses for the choppiness and rushed scenes in the first two movies
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby HoundimusPrime » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:07 pm

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their absence did not take anything away from the story, it didnt leave a gap in the story

loads of things are planned in movies but dont happen, arcee was meant to be in the first movie



The Difference is Arcee was cut out in Pre-Production, she was replaced with Ironhide. The Twins were cut out in Post-Production, they weren't replaced, that's why the hangar scene feels rushed. That's also why there's no explanation for a destroyed smart car, and why there's no explanation for pieces of them lying around when Sentinel betrays.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby shamone » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:17 pm

HoundimusPrime wrote:
shamone wrote:
their absence did not take anything away from the story, it didnt leave a gap in the story

loads of things are planned in movies but dont happen, arcee was meant to be in the first movie



The Difference is Arcee was cut out in Pre-Production, she was replaced with Ironhide. The Twins were cut out in Post-Production, they weren't replaced, that's why the hangar scene feels rushed. That's also why there's no explanation for a destroyed smart car, and why there's no explanation for pieces of them lying around when Sentinel betrays.


thats just poor editing

the parts remaing should have been removed in post production

they could have cut around the bits to tighten up th scene
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby BeastProwl » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:46 am

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shamone wrote:
HoundimusPrime wrote:
shamone wrote:
their absence did not take anything away from the story, it didnt leave a gap in the story

loads of things are planned in movies but dont happen, arcee was meant to be in the first movie



The Difference is Arcee was cut out in Pre-Production, she was replaced with Ironhide. The Twins were cut out in Post-Production, they weren't replaced, that's why the hangar scene feels rushed. That's also why there's no explanation for a destroyed smart car, and why there's no explanation for pieces of them lying around when Sentinel betrays.


thats just poor editing

the parts remaing should have been removed in post production

they could have cut around the bits to tighten up th scene

well, poor editing or not, It left a big enough gap in the story to make a seibertronian post a thread that got over 6 pages of feedback about it, proving not only is it a "touchy subject", but enough of you guys actually care enough about it to return to this thread and respond to your posts! the question is, in the future, what can be done to prevent this sort of thing?
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby shamone » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:34 am

BeastProwl wrote:
shamone wrote:
HoundimusPrime wrote:
shamone wrote:
their absence did not take anything away from the story, it didnt leave a gap in the story

loads of things are planned in movies but dont happen, arcee was meant to be in the first movie



The Difference is Arcee was cut out in Pre-Production, she was replaced with Ironhide. The Twins were cut out in Post-Production, they weren't replaced, that's why the hangar scene feels rushed. That's also why there's no explanation for a destroyed smart car, and why there's no explanation for pieces of them lying around when Sentinel betrays.


thats just poor editing

the parts remaing should have been removed in post production

they could have cut around the bits to tighten up th scene

well, poor editing or not, It left a big enough gap in the story to make a seibertronian post a thread that got over 6 pages of feedback about it, proving not only is it a "touchy subject", but enough of you guys actually care enough about it to return to this thread and respond to your posts! the question is, in the future, what can be done to prevent this sort of thing?


what i saying is if the smart car had been removed as it should have been in post production and the pieces also would people have complained

the twins would just have been missing then, like jolt and arcee
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:32 pm

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shamone wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:
shamone wrote:
HoundimusPrime wrote:
shamone wrote:
their absence did not take anything away from the story, it didnt leave a gap in the story

loads of things are planned in movies but dont happen, arcee was meant to be in the first movie



The Difference is Arcee was cut out in Pre-Production, she was replaced with Ironhide. The Twins were cut out in Post-Production, they weren't replaced, that's why the hangar scene feels rushed. That's also why there's no explanation for a destroyed smart car, and why there's no explanation for pieces of them lying around when Sentinel betrays.


thats just poor editing

the parts remaing should have been removed in post production

they could have cut around the bits to tighten up th scene

well, poor editing or not, It left a big enough gap in the story to make a seibertronian post a thread that got over 6 pages of feedback about it, proving not only is it a "touchy subject", but enough of you guys actually care enough about it to return to this thread and respond to your posts! the question is, in the future, what can be done to prevent this sort of thing?


what i saying is if the smart car had been removed as it should have been in post production and the pieces also would people have complained

the twins would just have been missing then, like jolt and arcee


Has it occurred to you that it's possible they did the editing as is, on purpose? Get the fans pissed, get the people talking?

Bay wanted them in. People whined and complained and went on and on and he caved. This is why I hate fandoms for the most part. Chock full o' idiots who know nothing.

The movies were for everyone, in general, and didn't cater to a certain group. Oooh. Big whoop. Whiner babies.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:08 pm

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Autobot032 wrote: Has it occurred to you that it's possible they did the editing as is, on purpose? Get the fans pissed, get the people talking?

Bay wanted them in. People whined and complained and went on and on and he caved. This is why I hate fandoms for the most part. Chock full o' idiots who know nothing.

The movies were for everyone, in general, and didn't cater to a certain group. Oooh. Big whoop. Whiner babies.


This. 100 times this.
What really erks me is they would have had an honorable death.

Whom ever takes on the next movies is going to do the same thing Bay did. Make them in his/her vision and have it cater to the masses and not the fandom. It will be interesting to see what the next few years holds for TF movies.
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Re: Political Correctness Strikes again....

Postby shamone » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:56 am

5150 Cruiser wrote:
Autobot032 wrote: Has it occurred to you that it's possible they did the editing as is, on purpose? Get the fans pissed, get the people talking?

Bay wanted them in. People whined and complained and went on and on and he caved. This is why I hate fandoms for the most part. Chock full o' idiots who know nothing.

The movies were for everyone, in general, and didn't cater to a certain group. Oooh. Big whoop. Whiner babies.


This. 100 times this.
What really erks me is they would have had an honorable death.

Whom ever takes on the next movies is going to do the same thing Bay did. Make them in his/her vision and have it cater to the masses and not the fandom. It will be interesting to see what the next few years holds for TF movies.


well its not exactly like loads of people are talking about it are they

a few guys ona dedicated transformers site isnt going to set the world alight now is it

in general the reviews from the mainstream respected press if they comment on the twins its to be thankful they werent in

just as the marginalised bay haters have little say, the bay lovers have about as much say
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