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It Is Him wrote:I voted yes. Here's why:
- RTS from last year - Classics Jazz, Tracks, Wreck Gar and more
- Generations from last year - Seekers, Red Alert, Blur, Skullgrin, etc.
- MP-10 from Hasbro this year
- Voyager Grimlock, Soundwave and Blaster in 2013, plus Legends deployers

So one toy in December makes up for them wasting an entire year? Early last year, awesome! Next year, a couple things to look forward to! This year? ...ahhhh no...

Not happy. 3rd parties are blowing up right now and we get Botshots and Kre-O. Yeahhhhh...

zodconvoy wrote:

It Is Him wrote:I voted yes. Here's why:
- RTS from last year - Classics Jazz, Tracks, Wreck Gar and more
- Generations from last year - Seekers, Red Alert, Blur, Skullgrin, etc.
- MP-10 from Hasbro this year
- Voyager Grimlock, Soundwave and Blaster in 2013, plus Legends deployers

So one toy in December makes up for them wasting an entire year? Early last year, awesome! Next year, a couple things to look forward to! This year? ...ahhhh no...

Not happy. 3rd parties are blowing up right now and we get Botshots and Kre-O. Yeahhhhh...

perhaps that's why they are giving up on the collectors and refocusing on the children's market. I know my niece loves her bot shots and kre-o sets(especially the kreons, I'm kinda partial to the kreons myself.)

Not really happy with current TFs. Paying more for less is never going to makeme happy. Plus, distribution is just pathetic. Must I turn to online retailers to buy anything I want? Hm.

I pretty much collect Neo G1 stuff, so until that's out ... we'll see. It looks like there's a lot to look forward to, but right now I'm not too happy. Not miserable since there's the new MP Print to look forward to and the domestic release of the Asian exclusives, but I'm not happy like I was when they released the RTS series of figures and their United counterparts.

I voted "yes"...but here are my few caveats:

1. Hasbron't is full of FAIL. If it wasn't for TT and all the fine 3rd party peeps giving me what I really wanted from my childhood, I never would have started collecting again and a large chunk of my nostalgia would have forever gone unfulfilled. This is not to say that they dont make a few good bots (most in the RTS and classics line), but overall...ahem.

2. Although there a many missing characters I would LOVE to have (*cough* DINOBOTS *cough*), the 75% complete G1 roster I already makes me happy happy joy joy every time I take one down off the shelf for some "selective action posing". I also know that they will come, in time, and that anticipation only increases my jones.

3. Bayverse can LICK MY SCHWETTY *oh my!*. MB desevers to be *censored* for what he did to our childhood nostalgia, what he almost did to TMNT, and what he does to basically everything he puts his tainted little hands on.

4. I would prefer to have a wider range of characters available (*cough* DINOBOTS *cough*), as opposed to DOZENS of molds of the same character, i.e. DUMB-lebee, 10 different "MAXIMUM POWER WEAPONIZER ULTIMATE SPACE CONQUERER OPTIMUS PRIME" etc, etc.

Would just like to say that a "no" vote (like mine) does not mean we don't love and continue to purchase and be enthusiastic about TFs. Seems to me that voting no is perceived by some as not being a good fan or supporter of the brand. I vote no because I care and want Hasbro to succeed and do better.

Also some folks reasoning for their votes seem a little off. Good Generations figures from 2011 or other things from the past do not make me feel good about the current state, in fact they make me feel worse as they serve as a stark contrast to the CURRENT state and direction we are now clearly headed in, which is lesser quality for more money. I feel the apologists of Hasbro who constantly bring up the rising cost of doing business are missing something which has been brought up before. Less toy for the same money is ok, the same toy for more money is ok. The perception of far less toy for a good amount more money is not ok and wouldnt float in many other product markets and I'm not sure how long Hasbro can get away with this for. That's my opinion as a lifelong fan and supporter of Hasbro and Transformers.

njb902 wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:

It Is Him wrote:I voted yes. Here's why:
- RTS from last year - Classics Jazz, Tracks, Wreck Gar and more
- Generations from last year - Seekers, Red Alert, Blur, Skullgrin, etc.
- MP-10 from Hasbro this year
- Voyager Grimlock, Soundwave and Blaster in 2013, plus Legends deployers

So one toy in December makes up for them wasting an entire year? Early last year, awesome! Next year, a couple things to look forward to! This year? ...ahhhh no...

Not happy. 3rd parties are blowing up right now and we get Botshots and Kre-O. Yeahhhhh...

perhaps that's why they are giving up on the collectors and refocusing on the children's market. I know my niece loves her bot shots and kre-o sets(especially the kreons, I'm kinda partial to the kreons myself.)

Ok, but then shouldn't they not care that collectors are buying third party products? I understand the entire IP argument, but children are not buying Hercules or the Bruticus upgrade kit, and Hasbro has stated that collectors are such a small percentage of their monetary profit anyway, so even if a third party is making another Sea Spray, it's not lik Hasbro cares about the collector who's buying it, right? I mean, they have admitted to not being overly concerned with our dollars, so why should they care if we stop giving them to the company?

But I agree with zod inasmuch as things from the past year or two do not affect my feelings when I hold a FoC figure. Even the DOTM stuff was cheap feeling and looking (imo). FoC figures even look flimsy and cheap in the pictures we get of them.
As far as Bruticus goes, I was a fan of the PCCs, but I thought that those were supposed to be the test run of new combiner technology toy-wise. Someone mentioned the FoC Bruticus as being perhaps another evolutionary step in TF tech, but how many more evolutionary steps are we supposed to be happy about? Did TFC have an evolutionary step or five before releasing their not-Devastator? Doesn't Hasbro have a 20 year head start on them, and thus be understandable to expect them to be doing better?
But, to an extent I also agree with JelZe. None of the let downs recently are enough to cloud over my enjoyment of the toys. However, the idea that sort of makes it seem like we're just supposed to love things that say "Transformers" on the package without developing individual opinons on the matter, and that's just stupid. You can like a sports team without having to like every single member of it, a record without liking every single song on it, and so on and so on. So, why does there need to be some stupid categorical acceptance of all things that say "Transformers"? The answer is that there doesn't, despite how many tears people shed when they claim that the only reason you don't like something is because you're feeling entitled.
My vote was for no, by the way.

RAcast wrote:

njb902 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Seriously, you guys only seeing the bad kinda scares me and takes part of the fun of the hobby for me as part of it is sharing enthusiasm. While I do acknowledge the problems the toys have, I would never dismiss their good sides.

I stand with JelZe. Things like this need to be said more often.

bingo

Indeed!

This.

Dagon wrote:

njb902 wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:

It Is Him wrote:I voted yes. Here's why:
- RTS from last year - Classics Jazz, Tracks, Wreck Gar and more
- Generations from last year - Seekers, Red Alert, Blur, Skullgrin, etc.
- MP-10 from Hasbro this year
- Voyager Grimlock, Soundwave and Blaster in 2013, plus Legends deployers

So one toy in December makes up for them wasting an entire year? Early last year, awesome! Next year, a couple things to look forward to! This year? ...ahhhh no...

Not happy. 3rd parties are blowing up right now and we get Botshots and Kre-O. Yeahhhhh...

perhaps that's why they are giving up on the collectors and refocusing on the children's market. I know my niece loves her bot shots and kre-o sets(especially the kreons, I'm kinda partial to the kreons myself.)

Ok, but then shouldn't they not care that collectors are buying third party products? I understand the entire IP argument, but children are not buying Hercules or the Bruticus upgrade kit, and Hasbro has stated that collectors are such a small percentage of their monetary profit anyway, so even if a third party is making another Sea Spray, it's not lik Hasbro cares about the collector who's buying it, right? I mean, they have admitted to not being overly concerned with our dollars, so why should they care if we stop giving them to the company?

But I agree with zod inasmuch as things from the past year or two do not affect my feelings when I hold a FoC figure. Even the DOTM stuff was cheap feeling and looking (imo). FoC figures even look flimsy and cheap in the pictures we get of them.
As far as Bruticus goes, I was a fan of the PCCs, but I thought that those were supposed to be the test run of new combiner technology toy-wise. Someone mentioned the FoC Bruticus as being perhaps another evolutionary step in TF tech, but how many more evolutionary steps are we supposed to be happy about? Did TFC have an evolutionary step or five before releasing their not-Devastator? Doesn't Hasbro have a 20 year head start on them, and thus be understandable to expect them to be doing better?
But, to an extent I also agree with JelZe. None of the let downs recently are enough to cloud over my enjoyment of the toys. However, the idea that sort of makes it seem like we're just supposed to love things that say "Transformers" on the package without developing individual opinons on the matter, and that's just stupid. You can like a sports team without having to like every single member of it, a record without liking every single song on it, and so on and so on. So, why does there need to be some stupid categorical acceptance of all things that say "Transformers"? The answer is that there doesn't, despite how many tears people shed when they claim that the only reason you don't like something is because you're feeling entitled.
My vote was for no, by the way.

who doesn't like to have their cake and eat it to, or the I'm taking my ball and going home approach. I'll admit I have no data for my thought.

Some people really know how to take all the fun out of a hobby. Why not just be thankful for the good figures they DO make and not get all worked up about how they're not doing what you want?

think of this seibertron says this site gets 50,000 unique hits a day. if there was a petition put up on the front page so people could put down there names(real names), possibly a protected area for contact info, let it run for a month and give it to Hasbro. hell try to get the other transformers sites to sign on. get together work out it's wording(do we have any resident lawyers?), come up with something simple and to the point. it may do no good, I just know I'd rather go down swinging.

so what do ya say seibertron any chance of looking into this.