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Poll: Vote Of Confidence

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Are you happy with the current state of Transformers Toys

Yes
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31%
No
47
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Total votes : 68

Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby zodconvoy » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:23 am

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It Is Him wrote:I voted yes. Here's why:
- RTS from last year - Classics Jazz, Tracks, Wreck Gar and more
- Generations from last year - Seekers, Red Alert, Blur, Skullgrin, etc.
- MP-10 from Hasbro this year
- Voyager Grimlock, Soundwave and Blaster in 2013, plus Legends deployers


So one toy in December makes up for them wasting an entire year? Early last year, awesome! Next year, a couple things to look forward to! This year? ...ahhhh no... >:oP

Not happy. 3rd parties are blowing up right now and we get Botshots and Kre-O. Yeahhhhh...
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby njb902 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:52 am

zodconvoy wrote:
It Is Him wrote:I voted yes. Here's why:
- RTS from last year - Classics Jazz, Tracks, Wreck Gar and more
- Generations from last year - Seekers, Red Alert, Blur, Skullgrin, etc.
- MP-10 from Hasbro this year
- Voyager Grimlock, Soundwave and Blaster in 2013, plus Legends deployers


So one toy in December makes up for them wasting an entire year? Early last year, awesome! Next year, a couple things to look forward to! This year? ...ahhhh no... >:oP

Not happy. 3rd parties are blowing up right now and we get Botshots and Kre-O. Yeahhhhh...


perhaps that's why they are giving up on the collectors and refocusing on the children's market. I know my niece loves her bot shots and kre-o sets(especially the kreons, I'm kinda partial to the kreons myself.)
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:27 am

Not really happy with current TFs. Paying more for less is never going to makeme happy. Plus, distribution is just pathetic. Must I turn to online retailers to buy anything I want? Hm.

I pretty much collect Neo G1 stuff, so until that's out ... we'll see. It looks like there's a lot to look forward to, but right now I'm not too happy. Not miserable since there's the new MP Print to look forward to and the domestic release of the Asian exclusives, but I'm not happy like I was when they released the RTS series of figures and their United counterparts.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby DJrasmo » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:33 am

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I voted "yes"...but here are my few caveats:

1. Hasbron't is full of FAIL. If it wasn't for TT and all the fine 3rd party peeps giving me what I really wanted from my childhood, I never would have started collecting again and a large chunk of my nostalgia would have forever gone unfulfilled. This is not to say that they dont make a few good bots (most in the RTS and classics line), but overall...ahem.

2. Although there a many missing characters I would LOVE to have (*cough* DINOBOTS *cough*), the 75% complete G1 roster I already makes me happy happy joy joy every time I take one down off the shelf for some "selective action posing". I also know that they will come, in time, and that anticipation only increases my jones.

3. Bayverse can LICK MY SCHWETTY *oh my!*. MB desevers to be *censored* for what he did to our childhood nostalgia, what he almost did to TMNT, and what he does to basically everything he puts his tainted little hands on.

4. I would prefer to have a wider range of characters available (*cough* DINOBOTS *cough*), as opposed to DOZENS of molds of the same character, i.e. DUMB-lebee, 10 different "MAXIMUM POWER WEAPONIZER ULTIMATE SPACE CONQUERER OPTIMUS PRIME" etc, etc.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby JackStraw » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:18 am

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Would just like to say that a "no" vote (like mine) does not mean we don't love and continue to purchase and be enthusiastic about TFs. Seems to me that voting no is perceived by some as not being a good fan or supporter of the brand. I vote no because I care and want Hasbro to succeed and do better.

Also some folks reasoning for their votes seem a little off. Good Generations figures from 2011 or other things from the past do not make me feel good about the current state, in fact they make me feel worse as they serve as a stark contrast to the CURRENT state and direction we are now clearly headed in, which is lesser quality for more money. I feel the apologists of Hasbro who constantly bring up the rising cost of doing business are missing something which has been brought up before. Less toy for the same money is ok, the same toy for more money is ok. The perception of far less toy for a good amount more money is not ok and wouldnt float in many other product markets and I'm not sure how long Hasbro can get away with this for. That's my opinion as a lifelong fan and supporter of Hasbro and Transformers.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby Dagon » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:05 pm

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njb902 wrote:
zodconvoy wrote:
It Is Him wrote:I voted yes. Here's why:
- RTS from last year - Classics Jazz, Tracks, Wreck Gar and more
- Generations from last year - Seekers, Red Alert, Blur, Skullgrin, etc.
- MP-10 from Hasbro this year
- Voyager Grimlock, Soundwave and Blaster in 2013, plus Legends deployers


So one toy in December makes up for them wasting an entire year? Early last year, awesome! Next year, a couple things to look forward to! This year? ...ahhhh no... >:oP

Not happy. 3rd parties are blowing up right now and we get Botshots and Kre-O. Yeahhhhh...


perhaps that's why they are giving up on the collectors and refocusing on the children's market. I know my niece loves her bot shots and kre-o sets(especially the kreons, I'm kinda partial to the kreons myself.)



Ok, but then shouldn't they not care that collectors are buying third party products? I understand the entire IP argument, but children are not buying Hercules or the Bruticus upgrade kit, and Hasbro has stated that collectors are such a small percentage of their monetary profit anyway, so even if a third party is making another Sea Spray, it's not lik Hasbro cares about the collector who's buying it, right? I mean, they have admitted to not being overly concerned with our dollars, so why should they care if we stop giving them to the company?

But I agree with zod inasmuch as things from the past year or two do not affect my feelings when I hold a FoC figure. Even the DOTM stuff was cheap feeling and looking (imo). FoC figures even look flimsy and cheap in the pictures we get of them.
As far as Bruticus goes, I was a fan of the PCCs, but I thought that those were supposed to be the test run of new combiner technology toy-wise. Someone mentioned the FoC Bruticus as being perhaps another evolutionary step in TF tech, but how many more evolutionary steps are we supposed to be happy about? Did TFC have an evolutionary step or five before releasing their not-Devastator? Doesn't Hasbro have a 20 year head start on them, and thus be understandable to expect them to be doing better?
But, to an extent I also agree with JelZe. None of the let downs recently are enough to cloud over my enjoyment of the toys. However, the idea that sort of makes it seem like we're just supposed to love things that say "Transformers" on the package without developing individual opinons on the matter, and that's just stupid. You can like a sports team without having to like every single member of it, a record without liking every single song on it, and so on and so on. So, why does there need to be some stupid categorical acceptance of all things that say "Transformers"? The answer is that there doesn't, despite how many tears people shed when they claim that the only reason you don't like something is because you're feeling entitled.
My vote was for no, by the way.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby TulioDude » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:32 pm

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njb902 wrote:
It Is Him wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Seriously, you guys only seeing the bad kinda scares me and takes part of the fun of the hobby for me as part of it is sharing enthusiasm. While I do acknowledge the problems the toys have, I would never dismiss their good sides.


I stand with JelZe. Things like this need to be said more often.


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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby njb902 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:56 pm

Dagon wrote:
njb902 wrote:
zodconvoy wrote:
It Is Him wrote:I voted yes. Here's why:
- RTS from last year - Classics Jazz, Tracks, Wreck Gar and more
- Generations from last year - Seekers, Red Alert, Blur, Skullgrin, etc.
- MP-10 from Hasbro this year
- Voyager Grimlock, Soundwave and Blaster in 2013, plus Legends deployers


So one toy in December makes up for them wasting an entire year? Early last year, awesome! Next year, a couple things to look forward to! This year? ...ahhhh no... >:oP

Not happy. 3rd parties are blowing up right now and we get Botshots and Kre-O. Yeahhhhh...


perhaps that's why they are giving up on the collectors and refocusing on the children's market. I know my niece loves her bot shots and kre-o sets(especially the kreons, I'm kinda partial to the kreons myself.)



Ok, but then shouldn't they not care that collectors are buying third party products? I understand the entire IP argument, but children are not buying Hercules or the Bruticus upgrade kit, and Hasbro has stated that collectors are such a small percentage of their monetary profit anyway, so even if a third party is making another Sea Spray, it's not lik Hasbro cares about the collector who's buying it, right? I mean, they have admitted to not being overly concerned with our dollars, so why should they care if we stop giving them to the company?

But I agree with zod inasmuch as things from the past year or two do not affect my feelings when I hold a FoC figure. Even the DOTM stuff was cheap feeling and looking (imo). FoC figures even look flimsy and cheap in the pictures we get of them.
As far as Bruticus goes, I was a fan of the PCCs, but I thought that those were supposed to be the test run of new combiner technology toy-wise. Someone mentioned the FoC Bruticus as being perhaps another evolutionary step in TF tech, but how many more evolutionary steps are we supposed to be happy about? Did TFC have an evolutionary step or five before releasing their not-Devastator? Doesn't Hasbro have a 20 year head start on them, and thus be understandable to expect them to be doing better?
But, to an extent I also agree with JelZe. None of the let downs recently are enough to cloud over my enjoyment of the toys. However, the idea that sort of makes it seem like we're just supposed to love things that say "Transformers" on the package without developing individual opinons on the matter, and that's just stupid. You can like a sports team without having to like every single member of it, a record without liking every single song on it, and so on and so on. So, why does there need to be some stupid categorical acceptance of all things that say "Transformers"? The answer is that there doesn't, despite how many tears people shed when they claim that the only reason you don't like something is because you're feeling entitled.
My vote was for no, by the way.


who doesn't like to have their cake and eat it to, or the I'm taking my ball and going home approach. I'll admit I have no data for my thought.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby GuyIncognito » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:12 pm

Some people really know how to take all the fun out of a hobby. Why not just be thankful for the good figures they DO make and not get all worked up about how they're not doing what you want?
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby njb902 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:13 pm

think of this seibertron says this site gets 50,000 unique hits a day. if there was a petition put up on the front page so people could put down there names(real names), possibly a protected area for contact info, let it run for a month and give it to Hasbro. hell try to get the other transformers sites to sign on. get together work out it's wording(do we have any resident lawyers?), come up with something simple and to the point. it may do no good, I just know I'd rather go down swinging.

so what do ya say seibertron any chance of looking into this.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby JackStraw » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:30 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:Some people really know how to take all the fun out of a hobby. Why not just be thankful for the good figures they DO make and not get all worked up about how they're not doing what you want?


I think its important for people to be able to freely express their opinions on the things they are most passionate about. Questioning things, negative feedback etc...is what makes the world go 'round, and leads to progress and improvement.

Like a previous poster said, it seems "they" do listen sometimes.

Didnt mean to take all of the fun out of the hobby for you.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby RodimalToyota » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:38 pm

for US?

I vote No

Worldwide?

I vote yes

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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby Blurrz » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:05 pm

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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby GuyIncognito » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:20 pm

JackStraw wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:Some people really know how to take all the fun out of a hobby. Why not just be thankful for the good figures they DO make and not get all worked up about how they're not doing what you want?


I think its important for people to be able to freely express their opinions on the things they are most passionate about. Questioning things, negative feedback etc...is what makes the world go 'round, and leads to progress and improvement.

Like a previous poster said, it seems "they" do listen sometimes.

Didnt mean to take all of the fun out of the hobby for you.


A. I never said or implied that people shouldn't express their opinions. [That's a "straw man" argument - appropriate from someone with the name Jack Straw ;) ] What I was implying was that people who focus on the negatives might want to change their perspective in order to allow themselves to enjoy their hobby (and life in general) more.

B. I never said or implied that you or anyone else was taking the fun out the hobby FOR ME. People who focus on the negatives take the fun out of the hobby FOR THEMSELVES.

C. If negative feedback makes the world go round, I don't want to live in that world.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:25 pm

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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby zodconvoy » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:26 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:Some people really know how to take all the fun out of a hobby. Why not just be thankful for the good figures they DO make and not get all worked up about how they're not doing what you want?


Well, that's part of my issue. Back in December, I bought my last Transformer at retail and it was Sky Shadow. It looked so sweet and I just had to have it right then! Yesterday when I was in the city, I had that feeling again for the first time in 8 months! ...it was Sky Shadow again. The TRU Express in the Gallery finally got him and Junkheap in. Five fully loaded pegs of Bumblebees and Cliffjumpers and a single peg of last years Generations. And there is seriously nothing that I actually want until FoC Grimlock and Blaster and those are just to replace the Classics and Device Label ones, respectively. I don't have the Hub so I don't care for Prime. I don't like chibi rock-paper-scissors toys. I really think Hasbro should have made that the focal gimmick of Battle Beasts what with it being the original point of Battle Beasts in the '80s anyway. I'm disappointed in what I'm seeing of Kre-O after what I consider an excellent start (at least for the Autobots) and the single release Kreons in my opinion aren't as good as last years either. I love the little guys but I want the large robots made out of Legos thing to be worth it. Even FoC and Prime Ultra Magnus and FoC Swindle aren't definite purchases right now. And that is a sorry state of affairs.

Also, for the last time, HASBRO DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH DISTRIBUTION! THAT IS THE RETAILERS! ONCE IT LEAVES CHINA IT'S NOT THERE PROBLEM! THEY EVEN DO THE CASE ASSORTMENTS BASED ON RETAILER NEEDS AND WANTS! HASBRO DOESN'T CARE IF THEY MAKE 6,000 BUMBLEBEES OR 6,000,000, IT'S THE RETAILERS THAT ORDER THEM! BLAME WALMART, NOT HASBRO!
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby Blurrz » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:43 pm

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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:50 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Isn't that in Singapore though?


Nope, my hometown in Canada.


Close enough, that was my second guess. Even the Walmart closest to me in the US doesn't have that big of a section for Transformers, I'm jealous. :shock: Having FE up the wazoo... Too bad it's mostly Bumblebee thanks to case breakdowns.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby JackStraw » Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:12 pm

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JackStraw wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:Some people really know how to take all the fun out of a hobby. Why not just be thankful for the good figures they DO make and not get all worked up about how they're not doing what you want?


I think its important for people to be able to freely express their opinions on the things they are most passionate about. Questioning things, negative feedback etc...is what makes the world go 'round, and leads to progress and improvement.

Like a previous poster said, it seems "they" do listen sometimes.

Didnt mean to take all of the fun out of the hobby for you.


A. I never said or implied that people shouldn't express their opinions. [That's a "straw man" argument - appropriate from someone with the name Jack Straw ;) ] What I was implying was that people who focus on the negatives might want to change their perspective in order to allow themselves to enjoy their hobby (and life in general) more.

B. I never said or implied that you or anyone else was taking the fun out the hobby FOR ME. People who focus on the negatives take the fun out of the hobby FOR THEMSELVES.

C. If negative feedback makes the world go round, I don't want to live in that world.


Just because folks are not happy with the sad state of Transformers doesnt mean they focus on the negative, don't enjoy the hobby or life for that matter. I think you're overreaching a little there....but, your point does make sense....but since you took a shot at my family name (I think?) I guess all I can do is just thank you for the invaluable life advice.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby DevastaTTor » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:25 pm

JackStraw wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:
JackStraw wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:Some people really know how to take all the fun out of a hobby. Why not just be thankful for the good figures they DO make and not get all worked up about how they're not doing what you want?


I think its important for people to be able to freely express their opinions on the things they are most passionate about. Questioning things, negative feedback etc...is what makes the world go 'round, and leads to progress and improvement.

Like a previous poster said, it seems "they" do listen sometimes.

Didnt mean to take all of the fun out of the hobby for you.


A. I never said or implied that people shouldn't express their opinions. [That's a "straw man" argument - appropriate from someone with the name Jack Straw ;) ] What I was implying was that people who focus on the negatives might want to change their perspective in order to allow themselves to enjoy their hobby (and life in general) more.

B. I never said or implied that you or anyone else was taking the fun out the hobby FOR ME. People who focus on the negatives take the fun out of the hobby FOR THEMSELVES.

C. If negative feedback makes the world go round, I don't want to live in that world.


Just because folks are not happy with the sad state of Transformers doesnt mean they focus on the negative, don't enjoy the hobby or life for that matter. I think you're overreaching a little there....but, your point does make sense....but since you took a shot at my family name (I think?) I guess all I can do is just thank you for the invaluable life advice.

Agreed. If we didn't care about the hobby and love Transformers, we would care enough to complain. I'll give credit where credit is due (FOC Grimlock, upcoming MPs, China repaints) but right now, the 3Ps are really driving the hobby (at least for me).
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:53 pm

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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby MGrotusque » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:53 pm

I'm not particularly stoked on anything Hasbro has to offer these days. I feel they need to release more obscure characters in toy form and use them in Prime and explore the richness of personalities that have accumulated over the past 30 years since Prime is meant to be their long term permanent vehicle for the franchise and canon.

Also, they need to keep the Classics line going with old schoolish designs. Not movieverse aesthetic and also quit with the massive amounts of repaints. That **** is boring!

The Prime line isn't really doing it for me because of such a limited cast....at the present time(fingers crossed). They are spicing it up though here and there(insecticons). But they need to step up their game in that regard and maybe use Animated as a template. That show seemed to be a hopefull one when introducing older characters anew.IMO.

3rd party stuff feeds my needs, and as far as obscure characters go.....the comics are really peeking my interest these days. MTMTE and RID are bringing them to the forefront. In fact, the comics are my main focus right now. They keep my interest peeked and are far more stimulating than the politics and shortcomings of plastic crack these days. Of which i believe there is definite room for improvement.

Nevertheless, with that being said. My vote is NO.

Whatever...i'll shut up and wait patiently for things to get "cool" again on the toy front. Until then...i'll keep reading and looking at rad artwork.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby Megatron000 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:07 am

Generally, I am happy. We need to take into consideration that oil prices have increased dramatically over the years and it's going to cost more to produce less for manufacturers nowadays.
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby bossman328 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:43 pm

Am I happy with the price increase for figures? NO.
Am I happy with the size decrease? doesn't really bother me too much.
Am I happy with the quality decrease? NO.
Do I enjoy the cartoons, video games and comics? Yes
Will I continue to by the toys? Yes

so overall...I am happy with the state of Transformers. I am concerned with the cost cutting and price increasing...but what else am I going to do? I love this hobby
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Re: Poll: Vote Of Confidence

Postby Cobalt Prime » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:04 pm

Motto: ""Excessive force is not necessary.""
I voted an unequivocal NO.

While yes, poor distribution is at the head of the list as I go from store to store seeing either empty or BB cluttered pegs, the Vulcan Science Consulate has determined that this should be blamed on the retailers and not Hasbro. I don't know which party is truly responsible, but it is a source of great unhappiness nonetheless.

This could be swallowed with a really strong chaser if the other negative elements were not present as well. These have already been discussed to death, so I will go on about my new pet peeve: Bot Shots. While I have no beef with anyone who enjoys these things, I have to believe that a majority of the fandom would prefer main line offerings to these things. And the pegs are absolutely cluttered with them. Huge swaths of space that used to be reserved for Deluxes have been annexed by the munchkin bots. I have to ask WHY these tiny game pieces (and that's what they are too) weren't relegated to the Bakugan/Duel Masters/Beyblade etc isle with the rest of this crap instead of taking up space in the ACTION FIGURE isle. These do not follow the basic definition of action figure at all. I mean, I guess one could technically say that them springing into bot-form (term loosely used) could be considered "action", but that's not what an action figure is all about.

And if they simply MUST place these in the action figure section, why not a tiny one or two peg place like they used to do with legends? Why so darn many pegs devoted to these?

It's gotten like in the movie Rocky 3 (or was it 4?) where Rocky got so popular that he got over commercialized and the quality of his training and hence performance got ridiculously soft. Hasbro has seriously deviated from the very spirit and essence that made Transformers what they are over the years. Soon, the only thing that will be left will be the character identities with no actual transforming Transformers to be found.

This began during the initial movie line, where they started to stick "other stuff" in with the real Transformers. Unleashed plastic statues, those transforming movie cameras and other handheld things that had no bot modes, and continued with "Power Bots" (my cat just sprayed my Power Bot Optimus the other day which I use as a doorstop Having gotten him for free. The CAT doesn't even like it!), Robot Heroes, and RPMS. Every non-transforming novelty toy line subtracts from the main line, and THAT'S where the plastic that's not going into actual Transformer figures is going. And that's where all the shelf space is going too.

Somebody thought too far out of the box in that Hasbro board room and it's ruining the line. Someone needs to jump back into the box and get back to the basics, to that which made these toys great back in the day.

Rant finished.

Time for the sarcastic rebuffs now...
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