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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:27 pm

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K2vox wrote:WTF is with that stupid blue panel right by the door??? Talk about a fail. All the other paint apps look good but geez.. throw this toy in the garbage! :SICK:
Unpaintable nylon plastic. Molded on the same sprue as other parts of his robot mode that need to be blue. Can't be helped.
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby Rated X » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:30 pm

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From far away the logo on the hood of the car looks like a clown face. :o)

So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ? I cant believe they voted for this over alpha trion, silverbolt and the omnibots.
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:31 pm

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Skywarp64 wrote:Still can't believe this utter nobody Go-Shooter was elected rather than Alpha Trion. So pissed at that.


And we don't go BS crazy when an obscure character like Scoop gets a new toy? :roll:

I think the original concept of the poll escaped him, but still, being that annoyed at the results is a bit strange, considering we would have to import regardless of who won
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:41 pm

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Rated X wrote:So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ?
No, JelZe was teasing with you.

I explained who he is here:
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Rated X wrote:All the cool choices and the fans chose the crappiest character using the crappiest mold ? Who is this guy ? Is he even G1 ?
I'll do JelZe to favor of say, yes, he is a G1 character, and a well done one at that.

Goshooter, better known as Shuta Go, was one of the Autobot Headmaster Juniors from the Japanese Super-God Masterforce cartoon. His toy was a redeco of the G1 Siren toy.



However, don't let that video clip fool you. Though he looks to be a mere human merging with a lifeless Transformer body when he transforms into robot mode in this video, the end of the series had all of the human-bonded TFs gaining their own life and separating from the humans completely, no longer needing them anymore.

This new toy of Goshooter represents the fully-living robot version of him after that series, so there's no need to worry about some human boding with him to give him life. But, the little Targetmaster this toy comes with is meant to be that same human, by now grown up into an adult, likely wearing a Targetmaster exosuit like those we saw the G1 Targetmasters wearing in the three-part G1 cartoon episode "The Rebirth".
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby gothsaurus » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:07 pm

Yeah, after these ideas are out 'on the table' for Takara and Hasbro.... I bet we can bank on seeing at least one or two of them in the next year or two.

I mean, look at the Protectobot set... they're getting some repaint value out of those guys... and still, I'm loving it. If it's a good mold, bring on the retools and repaints.
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:13 pm

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I never realized he came with a targetmaster as well, interesting I must of glanced over the pictures without fully looking.
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:27 pm

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Rated X wrote:So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ? I cant believe they voted for this over alpha trion, silverbolt and the omnibots.


#-o on so many levels, I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious with the emoticon and hidden text.

Anyway, see Sabrblade's post just above mine. Seriously, it's like the third time he's told you.
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby jgilkinson » Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:19 pm

Not sure why there is such a lack of love for this one, think it is a really good use of that mold. I am hoping for a Siren repaint but not holding my breath, was one of my fav figures when I was a kid.
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby shajaki » Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:55 pm

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theres really no reason for me to like this. a character ive never heard of, a mold i dont like, even his targetmaster i dont care for. and a big price tag to boot.

BUT I LIKE IT. i like it, and want it. whyyyyyyy....
maybe its just the colors work well for me, the head sculpt, i dunno. but i like it. im confident after him being out for a while i get snag him for a discount. if so, he's so mine :grin:
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby Rated X » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:02 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Rated X wrote:So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ? I cant believe they voted for this over alpha trion, silverbolt and the omnibots.


#-o on so many levels, I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious with the emoticon and hidden text.

Anyway, see Sabrblade's post just above mine. Seriously, it's like the third time he's told you.



I know very little about the Japanese G1 cartoons. I would watch them, but I just cant get past those annoying subtitles and voices that all sound like the same actor.

How many times was the mold used in Japan ?

Nightbeat

Minerva

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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby Wolfman Jake » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:10 pm

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I was very "meh" before on this, but seeing this mock-up, it looks fantastic! And it's not even a character that was even on my radar until the recent Million Publishing poll. I'm going to have to get around to watching the Japanese G1 cartoon spin-offs soon.

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Rated X wrote:So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ? I cant believe they voted for this over alpha trion, silverbolt and the omnibots.


#-o on so many levels, I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious with the emoticon and hidden text.

Anyway, see Sabrblade's post just above mine. Seriously, it's like the third time he's told you.



I know very little about the Japanese G1 cartoons. I would watch them, but I just cant get past those annoying subtitles and voices that all sound like the same actor.

How many times was the mold used in Japan ?

Nightbeat

Minerva

Goshooter

Siren (never heard of him either)


Nightbeat and Minerva shared a mold. Nightbeat was Hasbro's release. Minerva was Takara's mainline release, but a special mail-away version of her in Nightbeat's colors (though still identified as Minverva) was made available later on in Japan.

Siren and Goshooter shared a completely DIFFERENT mold. Siren was the Hasbro release while Goshooter was the Takara release. Again, a version of Goshooter with Siren's colors was available later on in Japan, but once more, it was presumably supposed to be the same character with a new paint scheme, not the Hasbro character.

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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby Razama » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:00 am

I foresee this guy ending up in the clearence bin of online import stores. The head sculpt fits but the body is meh..
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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:09 pm

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Rated X wrote:I know very little about the Japanese G1 cartoons. I would watch them, but I just cant get past those annoying subtitles and voices that all sound like the same actor.
We keep trying to tell you who this guy is, but I can't for the life of me figure out why you're not getting what we're saying. It comes off as just making you look bad, and that's what we're trying to avoid, yet you still seem to not understand no matter how many times we try to explain to you who this guy is. It's really frustrating.

The clip I keep showing you barely even has any dialogue in it, and ALL of it is English words anyway, so you don't even have to bother reading what little subtitles there are. I think you're man enough to survive a mere 30 seconds of someone speaking English.

Rated X wrote:How many times was the mold used in Japan ?
This mold? This particular Generations mold? Once. Only one time has it ever been used in Japan. As this toy: Generations Bumblebee Goldbug.

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Any other release of it has been all Hasbro.

Rated X wrote:Nightbeat

Minerva

Goshooter

Siren (never heard of him either)
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Okay...

I'm gonna take a deep breath... and try to clarify all this.

*deep breath*

Now, in 1988, Hasbro continued the Transformers line with many more toys of new characters who were created after the cartoon had ended. These included:
  • the Powermasters,
  • the Large Pretenders,
  • the Pretender Beasts,
  • the Pretender Vehicles,
  • the Small Headmasters,
  • the Small Targetmasters,
  • the Sparkabots,
  • the Firecons,
  • the Triggerbots,
  • the Triggercons,
  • the Seacons,
  • the Autobot Six Changer known as Quickswitch
  • the Powermaster Mercenary known as Doubledealer
  • and new Cassettes for both Autobot and Decepticon alike
Of these, we'll be looking at the Small Headmasters, particularly the Autobot ones. They were called "Small" because they were smaller sized figures from the bigger Large Headmasters of 1987, and had slightly different engineering for their Headmaster gimmick, with simpler-designed head robots whose helmets were formed by their vehicles' driver's seats placed over the main head unit.

For the Autobots, there were three Small Headmasters released:
  • Siren w/ Quig - a fire chief Mazda RX-7
  • Hosehead w/ Lug - a fire truck
  • Nightbeat w/ Muzzle - a blue and yellow Porche 959
Quig, Lug, and Muzzle were the names of their Nebulan partners who turned into their heads. Yes, the Nebulan partnership thing continued into 1988.

Here is what each of them looked like:

Siren w/ Quig
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Hosehead w/ Lug
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Nightbeat w/ Muzzle
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When Japan created their Super-God Masterforce cartoon, they took the Small Headmasters and reworked them into a slightly different concept called "Headmaster Juniors". A Headmaster Junior is similar to a regular Headmaster from a Western perspective, except that the larger robot body, referred to in this version as a "Transtector", is lifeless, being driven and fully controlled by its Headmaster, who is not a Nebulan or an adult, but a teenage human. The head attaches to the body and forms a bond with it, granting the body life via the human that forms its head, who essentially becomes a Transformer in this supernatural science fiction process.

The three Autobot Headmaster Juniors were all new characters in Japan, different from their Hasbro counterparts. The toys of Siren and Nightbeat were redecoed to go with these new identities, while Hosehead's toy remained unchanged deco-wise.
  • Siren was changed into Goshooter, better known as Shuta Go, whose toy was now a police car
  • Hosehead was changed into Cab, whose toy stayed as a fire truck
  • Nightbeat was changed into Minerva, who was a GIRL and whose toy was now a Porche ambulance
Here's is what these three looked like:

Goshooter (A.K.A. Shuta Go)
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Cab (same toy as Hosehead)
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Minerva
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As a side note (and I only mention this because I know some are gonna point out that I didn't if I don't mention it), both the original Hasbro Siren and Nightbeat toys were later released in Japan as mail-away figures, who were now special toy versions of the Goshooter and Minerva characters, renamed "Goshooter Siren" and "Minvera Night Beat", respectively. But I digress.

Now, after all this, you may be wondering why the Japanese would use the Generations toy for Nightbeat as the base for a new toy of Goshooter. Would it not make more sense for them to redeco Nightbeat into Minvera? Or wouldn't it make more sense for there to first be a Generations Siren toy for them to make Goshooter from? Well, there is a very specific reason for their making a Goshooter out of Nightbeat instead of going with one of the other choices.

Back in the 1980's, when the folks who worked for Hasbro were making the commercials for the Hasbro toys and making the Marvel G1 comic books, for some unknown reason, the head designs for Nightbeat and Siren got swapped with each other somehow, and both the animators for the commercials and the artists for the comic books ended up drawing Siren with Nightbeat's toy face, and Nightbeat with Siren's toy face:

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This was later corrected for Siren in later comic books created in the 21st Century by Dreamwave, Fun Publications, and IDW, but not for Nightbeat who, due to his becoming a very popular character, kept Siren's visor eyes in all of Nightbeat's future fiction to come, as the visored look had become an iconic look for Nightbeat. Thus, Generations Nightbeat has a visored face.

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In Japan, however, Siren's and Nightbeat's counterparts, Goshooter and Minerva, did NOT have their head designs swapped, and so kept their respective toy head designs, with Goshooter having his toy's visored eyes.

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Thus, the Japanese are using the visor-eyed Nightbeat toy to make a visor-eyed Goshooter toy, all thanks to Nightbeat's iconic head design having originally come from Siren, whom Goshooter was redecoed from.

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If all that still doesn't help you to understand who this guy is and why this toy is being made, then I frankly don't know what else there is to do.
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Postby Metro Prime » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:19 pm

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Million Publishing Generations Shouki Gun Mode revealed

Postby mooncake623 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:29 am

Weapon: Concussion Rifle
Seibertron.com member Sabrblade just dropped by and pointed us to TFYUKI's twitter page where he revealed that Million Publishing Generations Shouki has Gun Mode.

You can check out the image TFYUKI shared imbedded below.

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Seibertron.com member Powered convoy also took a scan from the manga that shows off this gun mode being wielded by Goshooter

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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:36 am

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Let's add that to the list of "media-original modes":

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Re: Potential Takara Tomy Repaint/Remolds: Omnibots, Alpha Trion, and More

Postby hinomars19 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:38 am

Motto: "never forget what you don't know"
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Basically...that means Astrotrain has a gun mode then?...
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Why does he have to be in storage right now #-o
I still need to get Henkei Astrotrain. I much prefer that to Hasbro's toy white one I have. It just felt like a pointless double dip on a mold/character...however, If I get Henkei 'anime' Astro now, then white Astro can be Metroplex's new partner! 8-}

I can also cry into my knees over how never in a million (publishing :D ) years will I own Shouki! Why'd they have to make him homage Thunder Arrow/Skystalker? Must they make me want things I can not afford? :HEADHURTS:
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