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Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Absolute Zero » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:41 pm

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Psychout wrote:Cybertron; a planet destroyed.

History calls it:
Heavy Metal War: First Generation.

You watched, as for millennia the Autobots and Decepticons fought a civil war that ended when Optimus Prime, making the ultimate sacrifice, hurled himself and his nemesis Megatron into the core of Cybertron, uniting it with the Matrix.

The shockwave crashed all transformer-descended life across the universe.
The Great War was ended, but the cost was huge.

This was ‘The Great Reset’


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The time for the First Generation was over, thus began:
Heavy Metal War: The Organic Age

You saw Cybertron, devastated and drifting in space until struck by an alien asteroid.
From this, a new species of Transformer evolved; Efficient, smaller, just as powerful - maybe even deadlier. Heroic peacekeepers and warlike predators took the names Maximal and Predacon and war resumes for a new generation whilst the Autobots and Decepticons, reactivated as weapons of war, broke free to continue to their unending battle across Cybertron.

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Now it is time for you to join that war.

Maximal, Autobot, Predacon, Decepticon; four factions fighting for Cybertron; to protect her; to bring her peace; to conquer her; to make her the seat of power in the universe. Will you choose to further Cybertron’s evolution and stop the archaic first generation tearing your planet apart or will you choose the fight to eradicate this new organic disease that has infected your home and decendants?

Chose your allegiance carefully:
ImageMaximals; Reluctantly fighting the Predacon’s to bring order to your world, drawn deeper into conflict by the warlike ways of the ancient Autobots and Decepticons that ravaged the planet so long ago. All must be stopped if order is to survive.

ImagePredacons; Fighting to seize control of Cybertron and purge the weak Maximal fools, to return the world it to its natural chaotic state ruled by us alone. If the ancients try to stand in our way, then they will be destroyed for none can oppose our might.

ImageImage Or chose to follow the ancient path of the Autobot or Decepticon survivors, continue the great galactic war that raged across the universe, and purge the planet of all who would oppose you or threaten your freedom.

Defend or destroy, purge or protect?

Four Warring Factions
Heavy
Two Generations
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One Planet
War
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The strategy game that's more than meets the eye..


*edit*
The Original Plan wrote: And if someone wants to take over my idea for the Beast Wars Tourney, be my guest. It was generally well received among those I sent it to, but I'm not a writer, as I had told them, and I feel that it needs someone of at least modest skill.

The premise was taken from Pyschout's post starting off the new era, with the Beasties developing from the meteor, but since there were beast factions before that event, my idea was that the meteor was actually the beasties returning to cybertron. Rat Convoy had a good idea that was a variation, where the beasties had taken control of Cybertron and the G1ers returned, being the meteor I guess.

But, given the nature of the game, fighting between the two factions quickly spreads, focusing around Iacon. The Gen 1 factions for the tournament would be considered offline. Missions against those factions wouldn't nessicarily count, though I believe Psychout offered that they could be drones, playing off his story where the beast factions are awakening the Gen 1 factions and using them as proxy soldiers. The only downside I see to that is that it would favor the Maximals more then just counting the beast missions.

During the first day of fighting, the winning side would find the matrix in the offline corpse of (a) Prime, and the fighting would revolve around that, each day would be fighting for control of the matrix, winning faction for the day getting possession of it, and if we could, the first day would determine who had it (winning faction best performer) with each day either the matrix going to either the best of the winner or the one who managed to defeat the current holder the most for the day in the tournament missions.

For the backstory, Rat and I were discussing whether to use canon characters, or pick from people who play the game for the factions and have them be the leaders. I favor using people from the game honestly, because there are no canon characters in HMW. People might use a canon name, they may use a canon background, but I view the game as more of a original universe, with it's own unique characters. For better or worse.

The original plan was fighting for territory or something, with the matrix coming in at the end and awakening the G1ers (a stray shot hits the matrix, causing it to release a bit of it's power and bringing the offline bots back online, like in DW's G1 series), leading into part two to be run at a later time with all 4 factions fighting for the matrix.

Honestly, I think it's a pretty deceint idea, and something that could be fun to play. But I've come to the conclusion that I'm not the one to run it. As I said, I'm not a writer. It needs one in my opinion. And with the way things are going in life for me, I'm pretty much to depressed to put forth the effort, as much as I really want to see it go forward and be run.


*** Not really reediting here, but just wanted to say that I thought HMW was already a shattered glass universe? The Autobots and Maximals are typically the more blood thirsty players, while the Decepticons and Predacons are typically the more friendly, willing to help each other and defend the weak.

Keeping track of those infected with the hate plague, possessing the all spark or matrix (my idea, completely unrelated) would be simple with a modified minicon code.

Modified because you wont be buying, but taking control of the item or being infected. Then ya just tag them with a little image next to their name. The All Spark or Matrix for those in control of that, and a skull next to the infected. Of course, it would take a bit of work.

*edit*
Absolute Zero's Second Idea wrote:Oh! Idea! What if Psychout's meteor contained nanobots? It solves the problem of microbes reformmating transformers, and it directly connects to his story. The nanobots could have begun reformatting fallen warriors into beasties, and nanomachines can replicate or imitate organic flesh, depending on the source you reference, and protoforms, from what I read online (yah, real reliable I know) have a lot of nanobots in them. They build the body ontop of a base frame.


Wingspan wrote:Proposed Narrative

Part 0 - Idle Peace
I'm thinking we run a narrative that's told beginning at the moment of the Matrix waking up the G1ers and bring the moments of time up to that through dialogue of characters and flashback. The first sentence could simply be "One bad shot" and the whole tourney builds to who fired that bad shot.

"You slaggin' fools! We had resolved this nonsense on Gaea and your power hungry.."
*explosion*
"Stow it fuzzball - we were not going to be subjects again; common enemies create new opportunities now. Until we trash these resurrected zombie relics lets hold on past differences."

Enter flashback to tell story of crash, introduction to Seibs, and a time of harmony. This would also tell of the discovery of the G1 stasis locked bodies and how both sides gathered them as a joint cleanup - this could be the catalysts for the initial peace. All this is a neutral setup to drive character inclusion in remaining segments based on tournament success.

Part 1 - War Resurrection
Let's re-use the Beast Wars (Cartoon) common ground that the Predacons are unsatisfied with being controlled subjects and that it's been so long no good history accurately records why the Fuzzies have dominance over Squishes. Conflict starts simply over territory - Preds want to have a designated area (e.g. state, country), Maxs decline, Preds establish anyway, Maxs start to push - then bang.

First part of the tournament would determine which Maxs push and which Preds push back.

Part 2 - History Revealed
Time (2-3 months) has passed. Top player of winning faction for second part (note: I did ask for some periods between collecting missions; these parts are generic and just indicate that tournament happens then results dictate story) were involved in a heavy conflict (need links for their sole-survivor / nearly lost missions to incorporate other characters) and damaged. In retreating from the field they venture for cover and, in accessing data banks to setup some security while repairs are done, some history is uncovered (the fall of Prime and Megatron, the leaderless factions, and the planet wide stasis).

We could then have this told as the winning team bringing the news back to the faction along with a proposal to search out revealed areas; in one of these areas the Matrix is discovered. (Describing the depth and destruction internal to Seibertron will be a challenge but worth it - as well as the remains of the former G1 leaders). (note: I know this isn't the Matrix on Day 1 but Day 2, but it sets up better I think)

Part 3 through X - Charred Metal
Recounting conflict in segments following each tournament part - by this point contributing teams will stand out and their characters (if they provide backgrounds / participate) can drive content. If not, then we'll apply their progress to chosen canon characters which best represent how things have progressed. (To Psychout, the Midget Mod, thanks for that point; writing this to our characters will only work with larger participation)

The matrix will begin to change hands - the first time it does let's write it as the attempt to use it as a weapon (based on the data bank review mentioned previously). Then it's fighting over to try and claim it (which leads to the "One Shot" which restarts the G1ers).

During this, we can arbitrarily choose to include the G1 missions as possibly counting as the two sides enable the fallen bodies as "drones"; since the Beasts will not have any ties to either side, every mission could count. However - we do not HAVE to include the G1 missions, it's an option. Doing so will mean writing in the re-animation and controlling of the drone bodies - any volunteer Mad Scientists on either side? If a consistent losing side can be identified, we can choose them to be the initiator (out of desperation) or it could be the current matrix holder (as a reward for holding the matrix). (reminder: Only the Beasts are competing, this is more so to let a broader mission pool be selectable for entry.)

Quantity of segments is determined by how long we run the tournament.

Part X+1 - One Fated Shot
We somehow determine who gets to be the hero / moron / fated fool who activates the Matrix and re-grants life to the G1ers, breaking their drone state. Narrative picks up from the moment it first began with the bickering Max/Pred and the last segment of the tournament (where we'll do something special to include more missions and the G1 missions) will be a big blowout with massive repercussions.

Edit: We could have the One Fated Shot be the last story we write, but have another tournament segment that follows with no additional story. It will let the story close at a good climax and then let the tournament missions have their own good conclusion.

Edit 2: As this can be broken down into segments, this opens up the possibility for contribution to a much broader group - not just AZ or I - making this truly a HMW event.
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Re: Brainstorming for future tournaments

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:44 pm

Dude AZ you knocked the ball right out of the park with your last post. Excellent points all around dude. Although the way I see it HMW isn't Shattered Glass but rather Universe. Seeing as how everyone's teams have different themes and such it's more like they were all pulled from alternate realities. Although I saw what you did there. ;)
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Anything for the preds?

Postby Name_Violation » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:15 am

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I keep hoping that some tournies or scalp hunts or anything would pop up for us preds...

are we just too small of a faction for this to be reasonable?

i understand we dont have enough players to do anything major but even something small amongst a few dedicated players seems like fun...

if i knew more i'd be willing to do something myself. if anyone needs help starting something i'm more than willing to offer as much help/support as i can give.

hope this isnt "falling on deaf ears"
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Burn » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:48 am

Name_Violation wrote:I keep hoping that some tournies or scalp hunts or anything would pop up for us preds...


You could ... always organise one yourself?

Though I wouldn't be surprised if The-artist-formerly-known-as-Redimus was working on something.
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Name_Violation » Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:05 am

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Name_Violation wrote:
if i knew more i'd be willing to do something myself.

i would but honestly i dont know what im doin.

Even if i could figure it out it does require enough people to make it worth while. just a hand full of peopl wouldnt be enough to actually do much. i wouldnt mind trying if i could get some help.

if i could get some help/ideas and and enough preds involved i'd atlesat give it a shot.../
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Psychout » Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:33 am

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Actually, you'd be suprised.

Absolute Zero had an idea for a tourney that he has been throwing around for the last few weeks between you guys and the Maximals, and there is a fair bit of interest in joining you faction should the opportunity ever arise, so the interest is there.

Seriously; get AZ, ex-pRed and youself together and see what you can come up with. Anything that raises the profile of the best factions is good...
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Wingspan » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:35 am

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Psychout wrote:Actually, you'd be suprised.

Absolute Zero had an idea for a tourney that he has been throwing around for the last few weeks between you guys and the Maximals, and there is a fair bit of interest in joining you faction should the opportunity ever arise, so the interest is there.

Seriously; get AZ, ex-pRed and youself together and see what you can come up with. Anything that raises the profile of the best factions is good...

AZ tournament idea is phenomenal. (Read here - viewtopic.php?f=201&t=46527&p=834640#p834343) Seconding our midget moderator's point that collaboration is what's key - we're a community game after all.

Can this get moved to GD as it's more of a general question than tournament specifics? Might spark a few more to contribute thoughts and when rubber-meets-road something new created here.
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Re: Brainstorming for future tournaments

Postby Wingspan » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:42 am

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Absolute Zero wrote:...

Honestly, I think it's a pretty deceint idea, and something that could be fun to play. But I've come to the conclusion that I'm not the one to run it. As I said, I'm not a writer. It needs one in my opinion. And with the way things are going in life for me, I'm pretty much to depressed to put forth the effort, as much as I really want to see it go forward and be run.

...

I'm in - but I won't take this over from you. What I will do is help translate your thoughts into story. PM and we can discuss / start an email chain with whomever is interested. Would volunteer players with character backgrounds be the right next step to translate the outline into narrative?

As for the depression, and not to over-step bounds into too many assumptions, doing something you care about can be the best medicine.
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Psychout » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:55 am

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Wingspan wrote:...Seconding our midget moderator's point...
You've been talking to Phaze too much. :lol:

Ill keep this here as its about a tourney discussion and it will help to keep it spam lite, but feel free to start another thread about it in GD to generate interest.


Ill also state this now; I have no objections to the Beast Wars era factions running a tournament between themselves, if that is their intention.
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Wingspan » Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:05 pm

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Psychout wrote:
Wingspan wrote:...Seconding our midget moderator's point...
You've been talking to Phaze too much. :lol:

Or not enough - depends on perspective.

Would it be possible to do something so that for a brief period the factions only generate against each other for the tournament sake? Would that even be necessary or do others think it can be executed with the missions as-is?
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Absolute Zero » Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:30 pm

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Wingspan wrote:AZ tournament idea is phenomenal. (Read here - viewtopic.php?f=201&t=46527&p=834640#p834343) Seconding our midget moderator's point that collaboration is what's key - we're a community game after all.


People keep praising me, my head might swell even more. 8)
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Re: Brainstorming for future tournaments

Postby Absolute Zero » Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:41 pm

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Wingspan wrote:
Absolute Zero wrote:...

Honestly, I think it's a pretty deceint idea, and something that could be fun to play. But I've come to the conclusion that I'm not the one to run it. As I said, I'm not a writer. It needs one in my opinion. And with the way things are going in life for me, I'm pretty much to depressed to put forth the effort, as much as I really want to see it go forward and be run.

...

I'm in - but I won't take this over from you. What I will do is help translate your thoughts into story. PM and we can discuss / start an email chain with whomever is interested. Would volunteer players with character backgrounds be the right next step to translate the outline into narrative?

As for the depression, and not to over-step bounds into too many assumptions, doing something you care about can be the best medicine.


No offense about the PM offer, but I proposed this forum so that I didn't have to PM 6 people. *L* We can start a thread, or maybe Psychout can seperate the last few off of this one. That way we don't blow up people's inboxes. And personally, my email is so full of spam, I really need to just start a new one.
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Psychout » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:47 am

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Wingspan wrote:Would it be possible to do something so that for a brief period the factions only generate against each other for the tournament sake? Would that even be necessary or do others think it can be executed with the missions as-is?
Not sure that's possible outside of direct coding for the game.

I dont get to see them, but how frequent are the max/pred missions?

AZ wrote:People keep praising me, my head might swell even more. 8)
Get you're heads together with the preds and maximals and write this thing then...
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Absolute Zero » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:54 am

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Psychout wrote:
Wingspan wrote:Would it be possible to do something so that for a brief period the factions only generate against each other for the tournament sake? Would that even be necessary or do others think it can be executed with the missions as-is?
Not sure that's possible outside of direct coding for the game.

I dont get to see them, but how frequent are the max/pred missions?

AZ wrote:People keep praising me, my head might swell even more. 8)
Get you're heads together with the preds and maximals and write this thing then...


Split the other thread for me and maybe I will. :P
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Re: Anything for the preds?

Postby Kaijubot » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:28 am

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Psychout wrote:I dont get to see them, but how frequent are the max/pred missions?


Theoretically as common as any other sort of mission, I think, but in practicallity I see far more Max vs Con missions than anything else (aside from a statistical anomaly this morning when I managed to generate two missions against each faction.)
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Re: AZ's tourney idea...

Postby Psychout » Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:01 am

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Absolute Zero wrote:
AZ wrote:People keep praising me, my head might swell even more. 8)
Get you're heads together with the preds and maximals and write this thing then...


Split the other thread for me and maybe I will. :P[/quote]Ive added it all to to this one...

Kaijubot wrote:Theoretically as common as any other sort of mission, I think, but in practicallity I see far more Max vs Con missions than anything else (aside from a statistical anomaly this morning when I managed to generate two missions against each faction.)
Ok, so how often are they full?
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Re: AZ's tourney idea...

Postby Wingspan » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:47 am

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Long post, but much to contribute (me hopes).

Psychout wrote:
Kaijubot wrote:Theoretically as common as any other sort of mission, I think, but in practicallity I see far more Max vs Con missions than anything else (aside from a statistical anomaly this morning when I managed to generate two missions against each faction.)
Ok, so how often are they full?

Not nearly enough; frankly its the Maximal missions I'm sure to join because - on average - if a Level 1+ Pred joins the mission first the bandwagon follows and Preds get the victory. Generating the missions against Maximals comes at odd times too, but when I generate one I'll usually generate 2 or 3 more as well.

Aboslute Zero wrote:For the backstory, Rat and I were discussing whether to use canon characters, or pick from people who play the game for the factions and have them be the leaders. I favor using people from the game honestly, because there are no canon characters in HMW. People might use a canon name, they may use a canon background, but I view the game as more of a original universe, with it's own unique characters. For better or worse.

This is precisely where I'd like to come in to help - but with which characters? What I would like to do is have a handful of Beast teams and/or characters around which the story revolves. Or, alternatively, we can choose the teams to start including into story as the tournament progresses (victors / large contributors get included). Letting victory determine inclusion isn't a bad idea - but we'd have to structure the tournament such that some padding between segments would allow for writing, revision, and posting BUT it would also mean that a generic introduction can get started immediately.

If we want to let success in tournament mean inclusion in story can we plan to run things day-on then day-off to allow for story progress or is the consensus to choose highlighted leaders early? Also, which Maximals do we kick to get their contributive input over here?

Aboslute Zero wrote:The premise was taken from Pyschout's post starting off the new era, with the Beasties developing from the meteor, but since there were beast factions before that event, my idea was that the meteor was actually the beasties returning to cybertron. Rat Convoy had a good idea that was a variation, where the beasties had taken control of Cybertron and the G1ers returned, being the meteor I guess.
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During the first day of fighting, the winning side would find the matrix in the offline corpse of (a) Prime, and the fighting would revolve around that, each day would be fighting for control of the matrix, winning faction for the day getting possession of it, and if we could, the first day would determine who had it (winning faction best performer) with each day either the matrix going to either the best of the winner or the one who managed to defeat the current holder the most for the day in the tournament missions.
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The original plan was fighting for territory or something, with the matrix coming in at the end and awakening the G1ers (a stray shot hits the matrix, causing it to release a bit of it's power and bringing the offline bots back online, like in DW's G1 series), leading into part two to be run at a later time with all 4 factions fighting for the matrix.

Let the planning shenanigans begin.
    * First, let's choose - beasties returning to Seibertron or G1ers returning or meteor causing reaction that brings beasties to life? What's the final vote?
    * Second, my understanding is that this tourney determines faction dominance, correct? So for determining daily success, is this done by mission wins or some point system or something else? This leads into the next...
    * Third, would all beast players be included as possible matrix holders? If yes, then we could have some random shmuck who never checks the forums be our champ; if no, how do we calculate?
    * Fourthly, I'm almost thinking that each participant can submit one mission daily for each character. That way each character contributes in some way to the overall conflict (like fantasy football.... sort of) to determine which faction is winning and we don't then have to deal with the Max/Pred missions being generated inconsistently. For Matrix transfer, what about if when the faction dominance switches sides whomever of the opposing faction got the most kills on the matrix holders team takes the matrix? If we go with 1 mission per character, this should influence which missions are chosen; perhaps missions score points similar to the current Bot/Con? Like...
    -- 1pt per kill
    -- 3pt per participating character kill
    -- 5pt per matrix holder team kill
    -- Matrix holder team gets a +1pt bonus for each kill (to balance threat)
    -- 2pt sole survivor
    -- 2pt top of mission
    -- 2pt bonus for 3+ kills (in 6 slot mission)
    -- 5pt bonus for all kills (in 6 slot mission)
    * Fifthly, prizes; are there volunteer sig creators for various awards? This tourney seems about pride more than anything, so sigs seem appropriate.
    -- Matrix Finder (first day holder)
    -- Matrix Champion (last day holder)
    -- Pred/Max Warrior (most contributive to faction success by points or missions or ...)
    -- Chaos Inducer (one who is determined to have caused the G1 return)

Now, last contribution for the moment - my preference would be the asteroid / meteor sparking something on Seibertron itself which begins the beast creation rather than either generation returning; the introduction of organic material on a world that's had time to heal from the G1 conflict which sparks the new creations. But that's primarily because I'm having difficulty imaging where either generation would return from; give me that and my opinion can easily be swayed.

Edit: On reading AZ's team I realize he deserve a nut-kicking for stating he cannot write and the meteor / asteroid bringing something would be interesting as, for those stories to hold, it would have to bring something human.
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Postby Absolute Zero » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:14 am

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I had tossed some ideas for where they had come from. Planet Beest/Beast was one. Gaea (i think that was the spelling from... was that Beast Wars 2 or Neo...) is another possiblity.

As for the who, I was figuring we could ask the vets. Give them a nod since they lost a whole bunch of crap. So, for the Preds, Redimus, Original Sin, and Edge. Maximals I think deffinetly Rat Convoy, and maybe Starlock. I'm not real sure who they have.
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Postby Tammuz » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:50 am

Sumo, though i'm not really sure about starlock.
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Postby Absolute Zero » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:09 pm

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Tammuz wrote:Sumo, though i'm not really sure about starlock.


I picked him for lack of another option.

Another planet the beasties could come from is Jungle Planet.
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Re: AZ's Pred vs Maxi Tournie Idea! Need help/suggestions/writer

Postby Kaijubot » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:29 pm

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Absolute Zero wrote:
Tammuz wrote:Sumo, though i'm not really sure about starlock.


I picked him for lack of another option.

Another planet the beasties could come from is Jungle Planet.


Ah, yes, good ol' Animatros.

Incidentally, why would the Maximals and Predacons (as factions) come from anywhere but Cybertron? If the new, more fuel effecient bodies were smaller than the previous ones it would make sense that they might adopt alt modes better suited to the size.
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Re: AZ's Pred vs Maxi Tournie Idea! Need help/suggestions/writer

Postby Psychout » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:30 pm

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The idea of the article I wrote was in the vein of the beast wars factions evolving whilst the ancients were all shut down.
Bearing in mind that the G1's would have brought the knowledge of earth based animals and such back with them it would have been stored in Cybertrons databanks until reactivated then, using the asteroid was the catalyst like Mt. St. Hilary erupting in the G1 cartoon, the databanks 'woke up' and reformatted everything using organics.
If that helps, feel free to use it...


My suggestion to AZ was to run the tourney between you guys to start, then involve the cross-gen missions using the G1's as 'war drones', and then when the matrix is 'redescovered' the ancients can wake up and get back to trashing the planet.

As a sidenote though; Writing a story involviong fan-made characters can be fun, but everyone has their own nuances as to how their characters should act, which is why I stayed away from it as much as possible and stuck to canons. For the article, I started with a ramble 3 pages long involving loads of different ones and just edited the hell out of it, kinda like this post... :lol:
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Re: AZ's Pred vs Maxi Tournie Idea! Need help/suggestions/writer

Postby Absolute Zero » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:44 pm

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Crapy Story wrote:The ship breaks out of hyperspace. Fires burning where the engines should be. Scorch marks and holes cover the ship, the most heavy damage coming in the rear.

"We've lost main thrust and rear weapons. Sensors and nav as well." the robotic form at the helm reports.

"Use manuevering jets. Try to get us broadside for when they come out, then open with everything we've got." The captain responds.

The ship slowly begins to turn, but not fast enough as the second ship erupts into real space behind it and begins opening fire. The first ship beings to blindly return fire, mildly raking the second ship, but causing no serious damage, as the second crosses above the first ship.

More fireballs explode out of the first ship as it seems that at any moment, it might ultimately explode. Ultimately, a worse fate awaits it, as it begins falling into the metal planet below's gravity well.

The second ship follows behind, firing constantly. Not willing to simply assume that the planet will finish their job.

"Jettison all stasis pods. Arm forward facing missiles and eject them. If they're going to follow us down, lets make sure they die as well." The captain orders.

The second ship following behind doesn't slow, doesn't cease firing. Some of the stasis pods are blasted, others collide with the ship and are sent spiraling away. The missiles do their job and cripple the second ship, causing it to not be able to contol itself in the gravity well either.

Both ships begin their descent into the metallic world. The first crashing through what once was a spire amid a great city. The second slamming into the ground further away.

From orbit, the surviving stasis pods begin their decent down to the planet. Warriors inside ready to begin their war again on a new planet.


Meh. It sounded better in my head lastnight at 2 AM...
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Re: AZ's Pred vs Maxi Tournie Idea! Need help/suggestions/writer

Postby Absolute Zero » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:48 pm

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Kaijubot wrote:
Absolute Zero wrote:
Tammuz wrote:Sumo, though i'm not really sure about starlock.


I picked him for lack of another option.

Another planet the beasties could come from is Jungle Planet.


Ah, yes, good ol' Animatros.

Incidentally, why would the Maximals and Predacons (as factions) come from anywhere but Cybertron? If the new, more fuel effecient bodies were smaller than the previous ones it would make sense that they might adopt alt modes better suited to the size.


My thinking was that because the beast factions where added before the restart, that they could be returning.

*edit* It's also not without presciedence. I know I spelled that wrong, but what I mean is it's happened before. There are other planets shown in some of the series having transformers, or atleast mechanical people on them. Granted, several where colonies that had left Cybertron before. Which was kinda my idea. The beast factions had left cybertron, evolved, and came back.

Psychout wrote:The idea of the article I wrote was in the vein of the beast wars factions evolving whilst the ancients were all shut down.
Bearing in mind that the G1's would have brought the knowledge of earth based animals and such back with them it would have been stored in Cybertrons databanks until reactivated then, using the asteroid was the catalyst like Mt. St. Hilary erupting in the G1 cartoon, the databanks 'woke up' and reformatted everything using organics.
If that helps, feel free to use it...


My suggestion to AZ was to run the tourney between you guys to start, then involve the cross-gen missions using the G1's as 'war drones', and then when the matrix is 'redescovered' the ancients can wake up and get back to trashing the planet.

As a sidenote though; Writing a story involviong fan-made characters can be fun, but everyone has their own nuances as to how their characters should act, which is why I stayed away from it as much as possible and stuck to canons. For the article, I started with a ramble 3 pages long involving loads of different ones and just edited the hell out of it, kinda like this post... :lol:


*edit 2* I'm not against it, I'd just wanted to try to reconcile pre-reset with the current game. I didn't want to ignore the time I'd spent as a Pred before the reset. But part of the reason I wanted as many people in on this who wanted to contribute, regardless of faction, is I don't want it to be my tourne. I want it to be HMW's tourney. I could probably have slapped some crap together and served it up by now on my own in all honesty. But that would defeat the purpose of running a tourne. It's about the community. And I don't particularly want to just do it on my own.

The main reason I went back and put up the original concepts and stuff was because maybe someone else will have a idea on how to make that work.

*edit 3* I really should have just quoted all this stuff at once...

Wingspan wrote:Now, last contribution for the moment - my preference would be the asteroid / meteor sparking something on Seibertron itself which begins the beast creation rather than either generation returning; the introduction of organic material on a world that's had time to heal from the G1 conflict which sparks the new creations. But that's primarily because I'm having difficulty imaging where either generation would return from; give me that and my opinion can easily be swayed.

Edit: On reading AZ's team I realize he deserve a nut-kicking for stating he cannot write and the meteor / asteroid bringing something would be interesting as, for those stories to hold, it would have to bring something human.


A asteroid/meteor falling on a world with no current life would need something more then a microbe I'd think. But I dunno.

Holy crap! Someone read my characters? I stand by my statement however. The characters I've posted have existed for at least 4 years now, and mostly evolved through RPing, though I've been off and on working on their world. Mostly off because my girlfriend (a way better writer then me) wont contribute like she said she would. My backstories don't need the meteor however, cause they had their souls ripped out of their bodies and became sparks for protoforms.
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Re: AZ's Pred vs Maxi Tournie Idea! Need help/suggestions/writer

Postby Kaijubot » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:07 pm

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Absolute Zero wrote:My thinking was that because the beast factions where added before the restart, that they could be returning.


Could be that the the pre-restart Beasties were the prototypes/test subjects of the process. Instead of the Beast factions returning, perhaps some kind of massive disaster made many more decide to undergo the "Maximal/ Predacon Upgrade" as warfare breaks out once more?

Not trying to disuade you if you prefer the idea of the Beasts returning, it just seems a bit odd to me is all.
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