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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Mogwai Prime » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:39 pm

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AZ I made this for you to put in the sig bar of whoever helps you run the tourney. All you have to do is let me know the dates and I will add it to the sig. If you want any changes let me know :)

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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:09 pm

That design looks really good, but I think it would look better if you included the faction symbols to the side of the faction names. In the unused negative space. I could be wrong though, but my instincts say it would look good.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Absolute Zero » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:48 pm

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I think next to the names might be a good place to have the start and end dates for the tournament.

*edit*

As for the dates... unless there's some complaints since it would be starting pretty soon after Tammuz's scalphunt ends, Jan 17 - Feb 11th.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Mogwai Prime » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:07 am

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Absolute Zero wrote:I think next to the names might be a good place to have the start and end dates for the tournament.

*edit*

As for the dates... unless there's some complaints since it would be starting pretty soon after Tammuz's scalphunt ends, Jan 17 - Feb 11th.


How about this ... put the symbols in too:

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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Tammuz » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:15 am

is that how you spell Predacons?
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Absolute Zero » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:19 am

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Tammuz wrote:is that how you spell Predacons?


Huh.. Didn't notice that before... Good eye.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Mogwai Prime » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:38 am

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Absolute Zero wrote:
Tammuz wrote:is that how you spell Predacons?


Huh.. Didn't notice that before... Good eye.


Fixed! :oops: Gotta quit doing sigs with tequila :))
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Absolute Zero » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:44 am

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Now you forgot to post it. If you're gonna drink that much tequila, share!
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Mogwai Prime » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:47 am

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Absolute Zero wrote:Now you forgot to post it. If you're gonna drink that much tequila, share!


THAT's IT!!! I'm taking a break from the puter .... I posted that I fixed it and it took about 8 tries to get it actually fixed .... after I posted that it was fixed ...
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:27 am

Mogwai Prime wrote:
Absolute Zero wrote:I think next to the names might be a good place to have the start and end dates for the tournament.

*edit*

As for the dates... unless there's some complaints since it would be starting pretty soon after Tammuz's scalphunt ends, Jan 17 - Feb 11th.


How about this ... put the symbols in too:

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It looks good but the yellow glow effect on the date is hard to read. Perhaps you could use a drop shadow to make it easier on the eyes. Other then that it's awesome Mogwai.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Mogwai Prime » Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:30 am

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Is this a little bit easier on the eyes?

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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Wingspan » Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:20 am

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The below summarizes some questions I've asked which have not yet been answered directly.

Question, how do we determine which faction won/is winning?
(Points, mission wins, tournament segment wins?)

Question two, to support the nature of this being a faction tournament, my thought was to have the Matrix change hands when the other faction pulls ahead - the acquiring team would be whomever wracked the most kills on the previous holder. That, however may be unreasonable. But, acquiring the Matrix should be hard. So, to summarize options (plus a few others)..
-- Matrix goes to daily winner (by total points)
-- Matrix goes to most kills on holder when faction pulls ahead
-- Matrix goes to whomever skills 6 or more kills on holder
-- Matrix goes to most kills, period (different from daily winner; daily winner is points)

Question three, can the Matrix VOLUNTARILY be transferred to another faction member BEFORE a segment begins? (ok ok, this one's new, just thought of it)

Question four, tournament segments - I still like the idea of 1 day on, 2 days off; running form 1/17/2009 through 2/11/2009 using that format gets 8 segments - running weekly (5 days on, 2 days off) gives us 4. Choosing one mission per character per range was a balancing suggestion given we can't use 5s and 0s because we never know when those will be generated for us. If we choose a wider range we'll need a new mission selection technique. So...
-- What range is preferred? (1 on/2 off, 5 on/2 off, other?)
-- What mission selection will be used? We will NOT be automating results so we must have some filter to keep calculations reasonable.

Question five, do we include Bot/Con missions at some point (the drone idea)? If we do, do we allow a larger mission pool for selection or the submission of more missions? Also if we do, I need a few mad scientist volunteers who got them running (for the narrative) - whomever scores best gets the write-in.

Question six, do we try to balance at all if once faction shows up in more force than the other?

Question seven, are these points agreed to?
Recommend Points wrote:-- 1pt per kill
-- 3pt per participating character kill (not all teams are participating)
-- 5pt per matrix holder character kill (matrix holder team)
-- Matrix holder team gets a +1pt bonus for each kill (to balance threat and given advantage)
-- 2pt sole survivor
-- 2pt top of mission
-- 2pt bonus for 3+ kills (in 6 slot mission)
-- 5pt bonus for all kills (in 6 slot mission)


And question eight, how the slag do we track voting on this stuff?

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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Redimus GTS » Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:04 am

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Wingspan wrote:Question, how do we determine which faction won/is winning?
(Points, mission wins, tournament segment wins?)


As this is only a 2 faction tournie, it should just go to the faction with the most mission wins, no need for a complex tournie scorign structure here, especilly as it is the first tourniment either of you have run.

Wingspan wrote:Question two, to support the nature of this being a faction tournament, my thought was to have the Matrix change hands when the other faction pulls ahead - the acquiring team would be whomever wracked the most kills on the previous holder. That, however may be unreasonable. But, acquiring the Matrix should be hard. So, to summarize options (plus a few others)..
-- Matrix goes to daily winner (by total points)
-- Matrix goes to most kills on holder when faction pulls ahead
-- Matrix goes to whomever skills 6 or more kills on holder
-- Matrix goes to most kills, period (different from daily winner; daily winner is points).


I'd just give it to whoever has taken the most the most kills/points that day for the dominant faction.

Wingspan wrote:Question three, can the Matrix VOLUNTARILY be transferred to another faction member BEFORE a segment begins? (ok ok, this one's new, just thought of it).


NO.

Wingspan wrote:Question four, tournament segments - I still like the idea of 1 day on, 2 days off; running form 1/17/2009 through 2/11/2009 using that format gets 8 segments - running weekly (5 days on, 2 days off) gives us 4. Choosing one mission per character per range was a balancing suggestion given we can't use 5s and 0s because we never know when those will be generated for us. If we choose a wider range we'll need a new mission selection technique. So...
-- What range is preferred? (1 on/2 off, 5 on/2 off, other?)
-- What mission selection will be used? We will NOT be automating results so we must have some filter to keep calculations reasonable.


Im not keen on a stop start tourniment. The only time I've ever been in favour of a stop start strategy was when we were thinking of doing a war map tournie with a turn based strategy style.

Wingspan wrote:Question five, do we include Bot/Con missions at some point (the drone idea)? If we do, do we allow a larger mission pool for selection or the submission of more missions? Also if we do, I need a few mad scientist volunteers who got them running (for the narrative) - whomever scores best gets the write-in.


NO.

Wingspan wrote:Question six, do we try to balance at all if once faction shows up in more force than the other?


NO.

Wingspan wrote:Question seven, are these points agreed to?
Recommend Points wrote:-- 1pt per kill
-- 3pt per participating character kill (not all teams are participating)
-- 5pt per matrix holder character kill (matrix holder team)
-- Matrix holder team gets a +1pt bonus for each kill (to balance threat and given advantage)
-- 2pt sole survivor
-- 2pt top of mission
-- 2pt bonus for 3+ kills (in 6 slot mission)
-- 5pt bonus for all kills (in 6 slot mission)


I'd not give the Matrix holder a bonus.
I'd also not give a bonus for hitting the matrix holder, becuase if his faction stay's dominant, you're gonna end up with the matrix holder consistently having less points than those from the other faction.

Most of those others I quite like.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:00 am

Mogwai Prime wrote:Is this a little bit easier on the eyes?

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Much better! It looks amazing Mogwai. You do great work as a shooper.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Wingspan » Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:08 am

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Fearless Echoes wrote:Answered questions

As more posts come in I'll summarize the responses; since not everyone who will participate is daily posting is until the end of this weekend enough?
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Absolute Zero » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:08 pm

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Wingspan wrote:Question, how do we determine which faction won/is winning?
(Points, mission wins, tournament segment wins?)


I agree with Red here. That was kinda my plan for it.

Wingspan wrote:Question two, to support the nature of this being a faction tournament, my thought was to have the Matrix change hands when the other faction pulls ahead - the acquiring team would be whomever wracked the most kills on the previous holder. That, however may be unreasonable. But, acquiring the Matrix should be hard. So, to summarize options (plus a few others)..
-- Matrix goes to daily winner (by total points)
-- Matrix goes to most kills on holder when faction pulls ahead
-- Matrix goes to whomever skills 6 or more kills on holder
-- Matrix goes to most kills, period (different from daily winner; daily winner is points).


Agreeing with Red

Wingspan wrote:Question three, can the Matrix VOLUNTARILY be transferred to another faction member BEFORE a segment begins? (ok ok, this one's new, just thought of it).


Sensing a pattern here...

Wingspan wrote:Question four, tournament segments - I still like the idea of 1 day on, 2 days off; running form 1/17/2009 through 2/11/2009 using that format gets 8 segments - running weekly (5 days on, 2 days off) gives us 4. Choosing one mission per character per range was a balancing suggestion given we can't use 5s and 0s because we never know when those will be generated for us. If we choose a wider range we'll need a new mission selection technique. So...
-- What range is preferred? (1 on/2 off, 5 on/2 off, other?)
-- What mission selection will be used? We will NOT be automating results so we must have some filter to keep calculations reasonable.


My original plan wasn't to have any days off and work out the story for the first day during the second. Wingspan advised me against that, and that's why I came up with the 5 on 2 off. It doesn't feel like a tournament if you're off more then you're on to me.

red wrote:
Wingspan wrote:Question five, do we include Bot/Con missions at some point (the drone idea)? If we do, do we allow a larger mission pool for selection or the submission of more missions? Also if we do, I need a few mad scientist volunteers who got them running (for the narrative) - whomever scores best gets the write-in.


NO.


At this point, that would practically hand the Maximals a win.

Wingspan wrote:Question six, do we try to balance at all if once faction shows up in more force than the other?


Not sure I understand the question.

Wingspan wrote:Question seven, are these points agreed to?
Recommend Points wrote:-- 1pt per kill
-- 3pt per participating character kill (not all teams are participating)
-- 5pt per matrix holder character kill (matrix holder team)
-- Matrix holder team gets a +1pt bonus for each kill (to balance threat and given advantage)
-- 2pt sole survivor
-- 2pt top of mission
-- 2pt bonus for 3+ kills (in 6 slot mission)
-- 5pt bonus for all kills (in 6 slot mission)


Agree with Red.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Redimus GTS » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:11 pm

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Fearless Echoes wrote:Answered questions

As more posts come in I'll summarize the responses; since not everyone who will participate is daily posting is until the end of this weekend enough?


This isnt until mid January. You have plenty of time to sort everything out. No need to set a deadline for the questions.

Just aim to have a reasonably final set of rules ready for a week before the tournie starts.

That said, I tend to be working on my tournie's development all the way through the fortnight prior to it.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Wingspan » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:13 pm

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Fearless Echoes wrote:That said, I tend to be working on my tournie's development all the way through the fortnight prior to it.[/color]

Not going there; work keeps me up late enough, play will not!
Wait - that's so backwards....

Good stuff; clarity makes me happy.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Edgecrusher » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:14 pm

so where can we sing up maybe that is how we can get more "less" active players to post and start some smack talk or somethin like that just to get it started B-)
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Absolute Zero » Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:49 pm

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I'll put up a thread in the pred forum or in the main forum... or just have Preds who want to sign up sign up there too.
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Postby Edgecrusher » Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:15 pm

Absolute Zero wrote:I'll put up a thread in the pred forum or in the main forum... or just have Preds who want to sign up sign up there too.



uhm pred board bad idea since a lot of us don'T have access to it
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Postby Absolute Zero » Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:06 pm

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Absolute Zero wrote:I'll put up a thread in the pred forum or in the main forum... or just have Preds who want to sign up sign up there too.



uhm pred board bad idea since a lot of us don'T have access to it


I realized that after I posted. It's in the main forum.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Psychout » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:37 am

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I'm putting a rough timetable together for the tourneys leading up to the endgame.

Are you still planning on going ahead with this? (I hope so - im liking the way this is looking) If so, you've got the end of jan/early feb as your slot when the game will be yours.
The only condition is that you incorporate a very small and easy event into the end... :wink:

If you don't want it, im sure it can be filled, but the offer is there for you guys as you came up with the idea first.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Absolute Zero » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:04 pm

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Dunno. Been wondering if I should postpone this idea until v2, and run something else to take it's place.
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Re: Pred vs Maxi Tournament Working thread, 1st post updated

Postby Wingspan » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:13 pm

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I'm open either way - the thing here is integrating the story. If Jeep, Red, Mogs, and others can accommodate the story here, I say it's a go for V1.

Also, to all fuzz-buts/squishies, are your team bios up to date? I'd like to start fleshing out the pre-cursor story but need characters with which to do it. Please post your preferences for canon and home-brewed character inclusion HERE soon.

AZ, in the end though, I consider this your baby. Either way is very good and I'll provide much input but it's your call. I'm just here helping to birth. So let me know when your water breaks and.... *gets tackled by taking the analogy too far police*
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