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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby MGrotusque » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:19 pm

I never knew what a "Space Jockey" was till today. fascinating. You learn somethin new everyday.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Dead Metal » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:40 am

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monstergrotusque wrote:I never knew what a "Space Jockey" was till today. fascinating. You learn somethin new everyday.

Yea, it's just the name they gave the set during filming of Alien, so far it's the only name that thing has, I hope they give it a better name in the movie though.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby prowl123 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:35 am

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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

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Blurrz wrote:Anyone have the chestbruster/facehugger plushies?


I have real ones.


No...No you don't.

I'm with Burn in that this doesn't really feel like a sequel without the "Aliens". Thats the main attaction of these movies.Don't get me wrong, the movie does look good, but as a sc-fi movie and not an alien movie' Yes, i see the tie ins, but for me that just isn't enough without including the character that these movies are based around.
I'll still give it a chance as it doesn't look cool. Just doesn't feel "Alien" to me.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Shadowman » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:40 pm

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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Dead Metal » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:04 pm

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Shadowman wrote:So...did anyone notice the one guy's helmet smoking slightly and covered in a familiar green goo?

Who could miss that, I mean he's in the trailer for like 0.5 seconds, just watch it in slow-mo like normal people. :P
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Shadowman » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:47 pm

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Shadowman wrote:So...did anyone notice the one guy's helmet smoking slightly and covered in a familiar green goo?

Who could miss that, I mean he's in the trailer for like 0.5 seconds, just watch it in slow-mo like normal people. :P


It's just, everyone saying there's not going to be Xenos in it, while a guy is clearly having his face melted off by acid. It's kind of a distinctive thing in this universe.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:59 pm

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That looked pretty dull to me. I love the alien movies, but that looks more like a natural disaster movie.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Duke of Luns » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:18 pm

Shadowman wrote:
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Shadowman wrote:So...did anyone notice the one guy's helmet smoking slightly and covered in a familiar green goo?

Who could miss that, I mean he's in the trailer for like 0.5 seconds, just watch it in slow-mo like normal people. :P


It's just, everyone saying there's not going to be Xenos in it, while a guy is clearly having his face melted off by acid. It's kind of a distinctive thing in this universe.


I'm going to modify my original thoughts: Xenos could possibly be in the film, but wont' be the main focus.

I watched the original Alien tonight, and "The Company"(were they officially Weyland at this point?) definitely knew about the Alien, and where it was located. This film could show their first encounter with the Xenomorphs. Who knows, maybe it's a higher evolved state of the Space Jockey's? Still, I don't expect them till the last third, maybe even after credits.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Burn » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:45 am

Went and saw Prometheus today, I understand now why Ridley Scott is saying it's NOT a prequel to Alien.

And it really isn't.

It IS set before Alien in the Alien universe however, and while there are connections to Alien (ship, space jockey) they're not directly from Alien. Same species, same ship type, different planet.

What this movie is about is humans discovering our own origins, plus we see the birth of the Alien (Xenomorph) species.

Is it a good movie? Heck yeah! And it does leave it open for a potential sequel, which in turn COULD be a direct prequel to Alien.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Dead Metal » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:25 am

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Burn wrote:Went and saw Prometheus today, I understand now why Ridley Scott is saying it's NOT a prequel to Alien.

And it really isn't.

It IS set before Alien in the Alien universe however, and while there are connections to Alien (ship, space jockey) they're not directly from Alien. Same species, same ship type, different planet.

What this movie is about is humans discovering our own origins, plus we see the birth of the Alien (Xenomorph) species.

Is it a good movie? Heck yeah! And it does leave it open for a potential sequel, which in turn COULD be a direct prequel to Alien.

Dammit I was wrong again.

Yea there is going to be a sequel, Ridley Scott said so already, he even stated that he might turn it into a whole new franchise, damn I thought that was a misinformation campaign.

And I still have to wait an entire month till I can go see it :-(
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:10 am

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I just read an interview with him where he said he wanted to make it a direct prequel, but he couldn't because the sequels ruined the Alien story. (He didn't name names, but he referred to all the sequels.) So he had to go further back in the universe and come up with an all-new story to create, he couldn't just make 1 film that would lead up to the 1st Alien, because then he would have nowhere to go afterwards.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Burn » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:16 am

This movie, at the very least, writes AVP 1 & 2 out of existence I feel. As we're introduced to what is, quite literally, the mother of all face huggers.
(If you ever wondered what came first, the Queen or the Egg, this pretty much answers the question)

Like I said, it's the birth of the Xenomorph species, though time line wise it takes place AFTER AVP (which is set in modern times) and Xenomorph's are firmly established to be around, thus we write out the existence of AVP.

Of course it could be reasoned that AVP happens, Xenos are around, and this is just a wayward ship. It can be interpreted a few different ways really. Though the Weyland Corporation would have some knowledge of them, which isn't the case here. Humans are basically still looking for other life.

Still a good movie though, well worth the watch.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby RhA » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:06 am

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I went to see it earlier this week. This just proves that the host influences the xenomorph that comes out, it all plays out like an experiment halfway through. But CRAP I need more of this stuff. Origin questions are answered, hurray... The 'how' we know... But the 'why' is up in the air.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

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Ehhh... A few friends went to see it last night and they were less then thrilled. But then again they had alot higher expectations than i do.I'll still go see it, but from what i've been hearing it just isn't living up to all the hype.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Burn » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:51 pm

RhA wrote:I went to see it earlier this week. This just proves that the host influences the xenomorph that comes out,


Influences? I've always thought of it as whatever species is involved.

Even though the DNA is the same I figure the difference is in the type of face hugger.

But the 'why' is up in the air.


Only theory I have on that is we were going to be weapons, or at the very least, breeding stock for their real weapons (Xenos)
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby prowl123 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:06 pm

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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby RhA » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:45 pm

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RhA wrote:I went to see it earlier this week. This just proves that the host influences the xenomorph that comes out,


Influences? I've always thought of it as whatever species is involved.

Even though the DNA is the same I figure the difference is in the type of face hugger.


I didn't think of it that way. Not bad.

But the 'why' is up in the air.


Only theory I have on that is we were going to be weapons, or at the very least, breeding stock for their real weapons (Xenos)[/quote]

Humans should have been far dumber in order for that to be effective. It could be blamed on the various stuff that was going on in those hyve-things, they where simply testing what works on what. Why the humans where on the deathlist, that's where it gets interesing. Also- the whole DNA business at the start of the movie... WTF.

BTW- I really like this flick.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Burn » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:14 pm

RhA wrote:Humans should have been far dumber in order for that to be effective.


Well they were visiting us for centuries, perhaps to keep us in line?

Then they ran into trouble, couldn't get back to keep a leash on us so we progressed.

Though that defeats the whole "they've left us a map" thing.

Also- the whole DNA business at the start of the movie... WTF.


That's obviously how they seed planets. His DNA mixed with whatever was in the water, humans evolved from that.

So we were created, but there's also a touch of Darwinism involved.

I'm starting to think this is a very complex movie. :lol:
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Shadowman » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:14 pm

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RhA wrote:I went to see it earlier this week. This just proves that the host influences the xenomorph that comes out,


Influences? I've always thought of it as whatever species is involved.

Even though the DNA is the same I figure the difference is in the type of face hugger.


Nope. Actually it's a pretty well-known fact that the host determines what kind of Xenomorph comes out. Like the dog-alien in Alien 3, or the Predaliens.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Burn » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:18 pm

ah ... yeah ... that's what I said.

You have seen the movie haven't you? If you did you'd understand why that theory doesn't quite work and why it may be a result of the face hugger.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Shadowman » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:15 am

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Burn wrote:ah ... yeah ... that's what I said.

You have seen the movie haven't you? If you did you'd understand why that theory doesn't quite work and why it may be a result of the face hugger.


Whatever it is, it's a well-documented fact that the type of facehugger is irrelevant, mostly because Queens are only ever shown producing the one kind, whereas chest bursters, when shown bursting out of something that isn't human, always has distinct characteristics of the host. Like the Predaliens.

Haven't seen the movie yet, no, but I have seen a a close-up of a Predator getting it's face hugged. The facehugger looked like any other facehugger; the chest buster most certainly did not.
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Re: Prometheus: So it is an Alien prequel

Postby Burn » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:28 am

This is not your typical face hugger.

It did not emerge from an egg laid by a queen, as there are no queens to lay any eggs. It was conceived the same way human babies are conceived, the father just happened to be infected with the Xeno virus.
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