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RhA wrote:Humans should have been far dumber in order for that to be effective.

Well they were visiting us for centuries, perhaps to keep us in line?

Then they ran into trouble, couldn't get back to keep a leash on us so we progressed.

Though that defeats the whole "they've left us a map" thing.

Also- the whole DNA business at the start of the movie... WTF.

That's obviously how they seed planets. His DNA mixed with whatever was in the water, humans evolved from that.

So we were created, but there's also a touch of Darwinism involved.

I'm starting to think this is a very complex movie.

Burn wrote:

RhA wrote:I went to see it earlier this week. This just proves that the host influences the xenomorph that comes out,

Influences? I've always thought of it as whatever species is involved.

Even though the DNA is the same I figure the difference is in the type of face hugger.

Nope. Actually it's a pretty well-known fact that the host determines what kind of Xenomorph comes out. Like the dog-alien in Alien 3, or the Predaliens.

ah ... yeah ... that's what I said.

You have seen the movie haven't you? If you did you'd understand why that theory doesn't quite work and why it may be a result of the face hugger.

Burn wrote:ah ... yeah ... that's what I said.

You have seen the movie haven't you? If you did you'd understand why that theory doesn't quite work and why it may be a result of the face hugger.

Whatever it is, it's a well-documented fact that the type of facehugger is irrelevant, mostly because Queens are only ever shown producing the one kind, whereas chest bursters, when shown bursting out of something that isn't human, always has distinct characteristics of the host. Like the Predaliens.

Haven't seen the movie yet, no, but I have seen a a close-up of a Predator getting it's face hugged. The facehugger looked like any other facehugger; the chest buster most certainly did not.

This is not your typical face hugger.

It did not emerge from an egg laid by a queen, as there are no queens to lay any eggs. It was conceived the same way human babies are conceived, the father just happened to be infected with the Xeno virus.

It's impossible to state any facts about this. Storywise we're dealing with proto-facehuggers and proto-xenomorphs (I can't believe I just said those things) and the experimental nature of those facilities leave a load of options open. It's not unthinkable that those other hyves contained the more traditional Xenomorphs... Or even that this crashed spacejockeyship is the same as in Alien (sure the human corpses would decay, but where have their clothes and suits gone?).

Beyond that, Scott sorta disregards the sequels and isn't overly kind towards them. So Alien vs. Predator isn't the number 1 candidate to derive canon from.

Burn wrote:This is not your typical face hugger.

It did not emerge from an egg laid by a queen, as there are no queens to lay any eggs. It was conceived the same way human babies are conceived, the father just happened to be infected with the Xeno virus.

Did it looks something like this:
(Warning following images show aliens face rape some dude)
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/item.php?item=20297
Or this:
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/item.php?item=20298


Also, yes it's the host that decides what the Xenomorph looks like. We've seen it in Alien 3, and we can see it with the original Xenomorph and the "details" it has on its body (mostly male and female reproductive organs).
Even ignoring the Predalien.

So far Riddley Scott has only piled hate on the Alien vs Predator movies, especially the first since at the time it came out he was working on an Alien 5, yes 5 and not a prequel, which he then cancelled due to Aliens vs Predator "being nothing but a cash-in".

K i havent seen this movie yet so i want an honest opinion

Is this movie shit or not?

will i watch it and feel the same way i did when i saw AVP 1+2?

i LOVE alien and to me Aliens and Alien 3 were fantastic.
The only thing i didnt like about Alien 3 was how the statis pods were wrong at the start of the film

Alien 4 was just awful but i did like the ending of the Special edition version were Ripley goes back to earth only to find Mankind had destroyed earth rather than the aliens she was trying to stop. I felt it was a fitting ending to the series but that the entire film itself was the most awful piece of crap i had seen in a long time

I want to see Prometheus but im worried i will feel cheated like how AVP 1+2 make you feel.
Is this actually a good film or not? does it stay close to the Alien roots?

Also does ridley scott think aliens and alien 3 are bad movies? Aliens is one of the best films ever made and the best sequal to a movie i thinks ever been made (aside from LOTD the Two Towers which comes second) i can understand why he might not like Alien 3 as that movie had trouble from the start but i do feel that the special edition version (will all the extra scenes) made up for it.

Swindle01 wrote:Also does ridley scott think aliens and alien 3 are bad movies? Aliens is one of the best films ever made and the best sequal to a movie i thinks ever been made (aside from LOTD the Two Towers which comes second) i can understand why he might not like Alien 3 as that movie had trouble from the start but i do feel that the special edition version (will all the extra scenes) made up for it.

No, he only dislikes AVP and AVPR.

Dead Metal wrote:

Swindle01 wrote:Also does ridley scott think aliens and alien 3 are bad movies? Aliens is one of the best films ever made and the best sequal to a movie i thinks ever been made (aside from LOTD the Two Towers which comes second) i can understand why he might not like Alien 3 as that movie had trouble from the start but i do feel that the special edition version (will all the extra scenes) made up for it.

No, he only dislikes AVP and AVPR.

Well, AVP did turn my love for Alien completely off. It stank.