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I'm going to get all of them, I have PS3, Xbox, Wii, and PC for this current generation, so I will likely get the PS4 first, then X1, then maybe a Wii U if I have some extra money.

They all seem to be on a sort of even playing field now. The Wii U is probably going to fail and be forgotten about just like the Wii did, so I'm not going to bother covering that.

Playstation now needs to pay for PSN so they can't use that as an argument for why PS4 is 'better' than Xbox. Xbox still gets all DLCs for CoD and now Battlefield before PS and Xbox has Halo as an exclusive. PS4 really doesn't have many big-name exclusives like Xbox does which gives Xbox the advantage. PS counters that by being reverse compatible, unlike the Xbox.

They're pretty even is specs. People complain about the authorization checks and the Kinect having to be connected with the Xbox but I see no problem with that, it's not a major hinderance of the system. The biggest downfall of the Xbox (the only spot where PS4 really shines over it) is the whole used games thing. That was a very bad choice by Microsoft.

Appearance wise, they both look very good. People complain that the Xbox looks like an old vcr but I really dig the look. it's really old school and since Microsoft was trying to make an all-in-one device, making look like a dvd player/vcr makes it fit that description a lot better. The PS4 looks more futuristic since its goal was to be nothing more than a game console.

The Xbox is horribly overpriced, i'll give that one to PS4.

Total points~
Xbox- 3 (Halo, DLCs, All-in One)
PS4- 4 (lower price, cheaper live, better look, used games)

The PS4 won that tally but not by much, both appear to be viable options. Either way, I'm switching to PC.

prowl123 wrote:They all seem to be on a sort of even playing field now. The Wii U is probably going to fail and be forgotten about just like the Wii did, so I'm not going to bother covering that.

Playstation now needs to pay for PSN so they can't use that as an argument for why PS4 is 'better' than Xbox. Xbox still gets all DLCs for CoD and now Battlefield before PS and Xbox has Halo as an exclusive. PS4 really doesn't have many big-name exclusives like Xbox does which gives Xbox the advantage. PS counters that by being reverse compatible, unlike the Xbox.

They're pretty even is specs. People complain about the authorization checks and the Kinect having to be connected with the Xbox but I see no problem with that, it's not a major hinderance of the system. The biggest downfall of the Xbox (the only spot where PS4 really shines over it) is the whole used games thing. That was a very bad choice by Microsoft.

Appearance wise, they both look very good. People complain that the Xbox looks like an old vcr but I really dig the look. it's really old school and since Microsoft was trying to make an all-in-one device, making look like a dvd player/vcr makes it fit that description a lot better. The PS4 looks more futuristic since its goal was to be nothing more than a game console.

The Xbox is horribly overpriced, i'll give that one to PS4.

Total points~
Xbox- 3 (Halo, DLCs, All-in One)
PS4- 4 (lower price, cheaper live, better look, used games)

The PS4 won that tally but not by much, both appear to be viable options. Either way, I'm switching to PC.

The original Wii didn't fail. Not only was it a hot seller it very well may have saved Nintendo.

prowl123 wrote:People complain about the authorization checks and the Kinect having to be connected with the Xbox but I see no problem with that, it's not a major hinderance of the system.

The "authorization checks" means if you aren't connected to the internet, the system itself will not work, not even single-player. And the Kinect is a massive invasion of privacy; it's always on and always transmitting what you're doing to the US government.

Xbox One isn't on an even playing field as the PS4. Hell, it's not on an even playing field with PS1.

njb902 wrote:The original Wii didn't fail. Not only was it a hot seller it very well may have saved Nintendo.

The Wii outsold both the PS3 and 360 by about 20 million units, with nearly 100 million units sold worldwide all-told, as of March 2013. If that's a failure, I can only wonder how many units would have to be sold for a success.

Shadowman wrote:

prowl123 wrote:People complain about the authorization checks and the Kinect having to be connected with the Xbox but I see no problem with that, it's not a major hinderance of the system.

The "authorization checks" means if you aren't connected to the internet, the system itself will not work, not even single-player.

You can still play DVDs and Blu Rays on it if you do not check in but that's about all you can do.


The Wii did very good sales wise but not a very good replay value as compared to PS3 or Xbox, I'm going to assume that the Wii U will not have good sales at all since it's getting out shined by Xbox One, and PS4, and the console is gonna slightly better then the current gen consoles despite being Nintendo's "Next Gen" console

Nintendo is on a whole different plane than Microsoft and Sony, that's a given. Of course the Wii is overlooked, it doesn't have the "cool" games XboX and Playstation have. But I digress in fangirl-ism...

I've got time to wait everything out between the PS4 and XboX One, but there's one point between the three systems that'll settle the score: playing USED Games.

Part of my Game Boy, GBA, GameCube and Wii library consists of used games. And I'm happy there are stores out there who carry them, from the latest Wii U to the ancient Atari 2600, which allows me to enrich my collection of older discontinued games. I'm not a fan of emulation or the Virtual Console, I much prefer playing from the original medium.

I've heard some pretty bad things about the XboX One, to the point I'm getting a Big Brother vibe from that thing, and I hate that. I'm already not a fan of going online with my consoles, but having it constantly looking over my shoulder so to speak gives me unpleasant feelings. Putting restrictions on playing used games is kind of petty, I mean you already have your money! So count me out on that.
I'll await judgement on the PS4, maybe my wife will bite the bullet on that. Until then, the Wii U will have a reserved spot in my home whenever I decide to get it. It being able to play regular Wii games helps a lot

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Nintendo is on a whole different plane than Microsoft and Sony, that's a given. Of course the Wii is overlooked, it doesn't have the "cool" games XboX and Playstation have. But I digress in fangirl-ism...

I've got time to wait everything out between the PS4 and XboX One, but there's one point between the three systems that'll settle the score: playing USED Games.

Part of my Game Boy, GBA, GameCube and Wii library consists of used games. And I'm happy there are stores out there who carry them, from the latest Wii U to the ancient Atari 2600, which allows me to enrich my collection of older discontinued games. I'm not a fan of emulation or the Virtual Console, I much prefer playing from the original medium.

I've heard some pretty bad things about the XboX One, to the point I'm getting a Big Brother vibe from that thing, and I hate that. I'm already not a fan of going online with my consoles, but having it constantly looking over my shoulder so to speak gives me unpleasant feelings. Putting restrictions on playing used games is kind of petty, I mean you already have your money! So count me out on that.
I'll await judgement on the PS4, maybe my wife will bite the bullet on that. Until then, the Wii U will have a reserved spot in my home whenever I decide to get it. It being able to play regular Wii games helps a lot

The controller takes some getting used to, but I do like the system. It just needs better/more games.

prowl123 wrote:They all seem to be on a sort of even playing field now. The Wii U is probably going to fail and be forgotten about just like the Wii did, so I'm not going to bother covering that.

Others have covered this, so I have nothing to add.

Playstation now needs to pay for PSN so they can't use that as an argument for why PS4 is 'better' than Xbox. Xbox still gets all DLCs for CoD and now Battlefield before PS and Xbox has Halo as an exclusive. PS4 really doesn't have many big-name exclusives like Xbox does which gives Xbox the advantage. PS counters that by being reverse compatible, unlike the Xbox.

No, PSN is still free, however you will have to subscribe to PSN+ to make use of online multiplayer for payed games, not free-to-play games though.

PSN+ costs 50 dollars a year, gives you free downloadable sh*t, free games (even big title games), huge price reductions on game sales, etc, while Microsoft charges you 50 dollars a month to even have access to the online content.

PS has God of War as an exclusive, and we all know that will come sooner rather than later. God of War > Halo, Gears of War

They're pretty even is specs. People complain about the authorization checks and the Kinect having to be connected with the Xbox but I see no problem with that, it's not a major hinderance of the system. The biggest downfall of the Xbox (the only spot where PS4 really shines over it) is the whole used games thing. That was a very bad choice by Microsoft.

Specks wize they're almost the same, save for the PS4 having the more powerful memory.The online checks are utterly retarded, no internet? No nothing. It listens in on you and watches you, even if you turn off the system. Want to get together with your friends and watch a movie together? XBone will say F U if there are "too many" people in the room.

Appearance wise, they both look very good. People complain that the Xbox looks like an old vcr but I really dig the look. it's really old school and since Microsoft was trying to make an all-in-one device, making look like a dvd player/vcr makes it fit that description a lot better. The PS4 looks more futuristic since its goal was to be nothing more than a game console.

I don't see how the design of the box is that important, and this isn't just you I mean there was this whole outcry about not showing the console's design at the PS reveal show. When I play games, I look at the screen and not the box, so I don't care what it looks like.

The Xbox is horribly overpriced, i'll give that one to PS4.

Total points~
Xbox- 3 (Halo, DLCs, All-in One)
PS4- 4 (lower price, cheaper live, better look, used games)

The PS4 won that tally but not by much, both appear to be viable options. Either way, I'm switching to PC.

Fair enough.

Personally I'm too pissed off at games to really get too passionate or exited by the PlayStation 4, I mean, sure I'll get it once the next God of War gets announced, but only if that is single player only and drops multiplayer, since that was the biggest downfall of Ascension, stupid multiplayer cut the actual game short.

Shadowman wrote:The "authorization checks" means if you aren't connected to the internet, the system itself will not work, not even single-player. And the Kinect is a massive invasion of privacy; it's always on and always transmitting what you're doing to the US government.

I don't know about you but I don't carry my console around with me. I leave it on the floor at home. Honestly, if you're going to buy a friggin Xbox to play offline you're just straight-up stupid. It was designed for multiplayer and interaction between people over the internet. It kind of needs an internet connection.

No it does not transmit what you do the government. How is it an invasion of privacy? Turn it to look at the wall when you're done playing, problem solved.

The Wii failed for my generation since nobody my age (15) gives a **** about Nintendo. Maybe you older people do since you most likely grew up with Nintendo, but I can't stand the Wii and in my eyes, if failed.

Dead Metal wrote:Microsoft charges you 50 dollars a month to even have access to the online content.

Unless they've changed it, they charge $10 a month and you get full access to Live.

prowl123 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The "authorization checks" means if you aren't connected to the internet, the system itself will not work, not even single-player. And the Kinect is a massive invasion of privacy; it's always on and always transmitting what you're doing to the US government.

I don't know about you but I don't carry my console around with me. I leave it on the floor at home. Honestly, if you're going to buy a friggin Xbox to play offline you're just straight-up stupid. It was designed for multiplayer and interaction between people over the internet. It kind of needs an internet connection.

No it does not transmit what you do the government. How is it an invasion of privacy? Turn it to look at the wall when you're done playing, problem solved.

The Wii failed for my generation since nobody my age (15) gives a **** about Nintendo. Maybe you older people do since you most likely grew up with Nintendo, but I can't stand the Wii and in my eyes, if failed.

Wow...... well with facts like that who can argue

njb902 wrote:

prowl123 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The "authorization checks" means if you aren't connected to the internet, the system itself will not work, not even single-player. And the Kinect is a massive invasion of privacy; it's always on and always transmitting what you're doing to the US government.

I don't know about you but I don't carry my console around with me. I leave it on the floor at home. Honestly, if you're going to buy a friggin Xbox to play offline you're just straight-up stupid. It was designed for multiplayer and interaction between people over the internet. It kind of needs an internet connection.

No it does not transmit what you do the government. How is it an invasion of privacy? Turn it to look at the wall when you're done playing, problem solved.

The Wii failed for my generation since nobody my age (15) gives a **** about Nintendo. Maybe you older people do since you most likely grew up with Nintendo, but I can't stand the Wii and in my eyes, if failed.

Wow...... well with facts like that who can argue

It's basically a fact. Since my generation, a generation in which basically nobody plays Wii, is dominant in the gaming society, the Wii U will not be anywhere near as successful as the PS4 or XB1.

prowl123 wrote:

njb902 wrote:

prowl123 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The "authorization checks" means if you aren't connected to the internet, the system itself will not work, not even single-player. And the Kinect is a massive invasion of privacy; it's always on and always transmitting what you're doing to the US government.

I don't know about you but I don't carry my console around with me. I leave it on the floor at home. Honestly, if you're going to buy a friggin Xbox to play offline you're just straight-up stupid. It was designed for multiplayer and interaction between people over the internet. It kind of needs an internet connection.

No it does not transmit what you do the government. How is it an invasion of privacy? Turn it to look at the wall when you're done playing, problem solved.

The Wii failed for my generation since nobody my age (15) gives a **** about Nintendo. Maybe you older people do since you most likely grew up with Nintendo, but I can't stand the Wii and in my eyes, if failed.

Wow...... well with facts like that who can argue

It's basically a fact. Since my generation, a generation in which basically nobody plays Wii, is dominant in the gaming society, the Wii U will not be anywhere near as successful as the PS4 or XB1.

The Wii U already has terrible sales if I remeber correctly right now the PS4 has close to the same amount of pre-orders as Wii U Console sales on launch

prowl123 wrote:

njb902 wrote:

prowl123 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The "authorization checks" means if you aren't connected to the internet, the system itself will not work, not even single-player. And the Kinect is a massive invasion of privacy; it's always on and always transmitting what you're doing to the US government.

I don't know about you but I don't carry my console around with me. I leave it on the floor at home. Honestly, if you're going to buy a friggin Xbox to play offline you're just straight-up stupid. It was designed for multiplayer and interaction between people over the internet. It kind of needs an internet connection.

No it does not transmit what you do the government. How is it an invasion of privacy? Turn it to look at the wall when you're done playing, problem solved.

The Wii failed for my generation since nobody my age (15) gives a **** about Nintendo. Maybe you older people do since you most likely grew up with Nintendo, but I can't stand the Wii and in my eyes, if failed.

Wow...... well with facts like that who can argue

It's basically a fact. Since my generation, a generation in which basically nobody plays Wii, is dominant in the gaming society, the Wii U will not be anywhere near as successful as the PS4 or XB1.

Let's be real here their are a certain number of people who play each system daily at different ages, and seriously do you think that out of the seven billion people in the world there won't be like one million 13-18 year olds who still play Wii?

Viruscarnage 3.45 million Wii us have sold as of March. So not quite 1 million units a month are sold worldwide, which is definitely below Nintendo's expectations.

prowl123 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Microsoft charges you 50 dollars a month to even have access to the online content.

Unless they've changed it, they charge $10 a month and you get full access to Live.

Which still amounts to 120 dollars a year compared to 50 dollars a year for PSN+.

On the PlayStation you pay nothing and get full access to PSN, except online multiplayer, for which you'll have to get PSN+, which as I stated before comes with all this amazing extra stuff, for about 4.16 dollars a month.

That 4.16 dollars a month buys you more than XBox Live.

prowl123 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The "authorization checks" means if you aren't connected to the internet, the system itself will not work, not even single-player. And the Kinect is a massive invasion of privacy; it's always on and always transmitting what you're doing to the US government.

I don't know about you but I don't carry my console around with me. I leave it on the floor at home. Honestly, if you're going to buy a friggin Xbox to play offline you're just straight-up stupid. It was designed for multiplayer and interaction between people over the internet. It kind of needs an internet connection.

No it does not transmit what you do the government. How is it an invasion of privacy? Turn it to look at the wall when you're done playing, problem solved.

The Wii failed for my generation since nobody my age (15) gives a **** about Nintendo. Maybe you older people do since you most likely grew up with Nintendo, but I can't stand the Wii and in my eyes, if failed.

Even if you turn it to face the wall, the microphone is still on, listening in on what you say.
Also, why should I be forced to connect to the internet, just so I can play a single player game? And how would that make me stupid? Why not just connect it to the internet when you actually want to use the internet content? Isn't it stupid to have it on at all times, even if all you want to do is watch a DVD/ Blu-Ray?

Also you 15 year olds are not the dominant generation in "gaming society", all polls point to the 30 something crowd being the largest demographic when it comes to gaming.

Also this data collection does make its way to the US Government, go read a newspaper, watch the news, there is this scandal that's currently very popular.

Well. This escalated quickly.

I'm **** done with this website.

prowl123 wrote:I'm **** done with this website.

Would you like a good bye message?

prowl123 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't carry my console around with me. I leave it on the floor at home.

Exactly, and do you really want Big Brother watching you from there? I know I don't.

prowl123 wrote:Honestly, if you're going to buy a friggin Xbox to play offline you're just straight-up stupid. It was designed for multiplayer and interaction between people over the internet. It kind of needs an internet connection.

And if single player games didn't exist, you might have a point. And I'd start listing off hugely successful games that didn't feature multiplayer (Bioshock Infinite leaps to mind the quickest, so there you go; Arkham City and Skyrim followed close behind) but looking at your uh..."arguments" so far, you'd just brush them off in favor of uh..."games" like Call of Duty.

But boy oh boy, that's just "straight-up stupid" of me to enjoy those games for the rich single-player experience, huh? But yeah, go back to your Call of Duty: Rehashed Ops 5 or whatever.

prowl123 wrote:No it does not transmit what you do the government.

Yes it does, Microsoft confirmed as much.

prowl123 wrote:How is it an invasion of privacy?

By transmitting what you're doing to the US Government. I know this is a bit complicated for you, but try to keep up.

prowl123 wrote:Turn it to look at the wall when you're done playing, problem solved.

Oh, brilliant idea! Genius! Oh wait, it's only working while I'm playing. That fact that it's doing it at all is a serious issue.

prowl123 wrote:The Wii failed for my generation since nobody my age (15) gives a **** about Nintendo. Maybe you older people do since you most likely grew up with Nintendo, but I can't stand the Wii and in my eyes, if failed.

Your generation isn't the dividing line between success and failure, nor is your opinion of the console. Sales are, and Wii out-shined both of its competitors.

prowl123 wrote:I'm **** done with this website.

It's not our fault you decided to fight the console wars by ignoring facts and replacing them with provable falsehoods, subjectivity, and blatant insults.

Shadowman wrote:

prowl123 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't carry my console around with me. I leave it on the floor at home.

Exactly, and do you really want Big Brother watching you from there? I know I don't.

prowl123 wrote:Honestly, if you're going to buy a friggin Xbox to play offline you're just straight-up stupid. It was designed for multiplayer and interaction between people over the internet. It kind of needs an internet connection.

And if single player games didn't exist, you might have a point. And I'd start listing off hugely successful games that didn't feature multiplayer (Bioshock Infinite leaps to mind the quickest, so there you go; Arkham City and Skyrim followed close behind) but looking at your uh..."arguments" so far, you'd just brush them off in favor of uh..."games" like Call of Duty.

But boy oh boy, that's just "straight-up stupid" of me to enjoy those games for the rich single-player experience, huh? But yeah, go back to your Call of Duty: Rehashed Ops 5 or whatever.

prowl123 wrote:No it does not transmit what you do the government.

Yes it does, Microsoft confirmed as much.

prowl123 wrote:How is it an invasion of privacy?

By transmitting what you're doing to the US Government. I know this is a bit complicated for you, but try to keep up.

prowl123 wrote:Turn it to look at the wall when you're done playing, problem solved.

Oh, brilliant idea! Genius! Oh wait, it's only working while I'm playing. That fact that it's doing it at all is a serious issue.

prowl123 wrote:The Wii failed for my generation since nobody my age (15) gives a **** about Nintendo. Maybe you older people do since you most likely grew up with Nintendo, but I can't stand the Wii and in my eyes, if failed.

Your generation isn't the dividing line between success and failure, nor is your opinion of the console. Sales are, and Wii out-shined both of its competitors.

prowl123 wrote:I'm **** done with this website.

It's not our fault you decided to fight the console wars by ignoring facts and replacing them with provable falsehoods, subjectivity, and blatant insults.

If you don't like my opinions then don't reply. It's in the rules forum. You should probably review them. Opinions are allowed if they're wrong or not.

Anyways, if the Kinect only works while your playing then why is it a problem? Oh wait, IT'S NOT. It's only a problem if you blatantly murder somebody or smoke pt in front of it. Do you kill people and smoke pot? I find it unlikely. I'd really like to see a video where Microsoft confirms that it transmits to the government because otherwise, I don't believe you. What branch of the government would even give a ****? The FBI? Probably not. Homeland security? Possibly but unlikely.

Anyways, take a look at this: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100810130 and this: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps4-over ... ts/0117015 and then tell me the Wii U will win. I have discovered that the original Wii had more sales but I honestly don't care too much.

prowl123 wrote:Anyways, if the Kinect only works while your playing then why is it a problem? Oh wait, IT'S NOT.

On the contrary it is a problem because most teenagers like myself don't like the idea of it always being able to see and hear you, and that could cause security issues.

I guarantee everybody saying that Xbox One sucks in a Playstation gamer. Give the damn thing a chance, it's not even out yet. Neither of them are out yet. Jesus, get a grip.

As I have said, I am done here. Goodbye.

I have a headache. Then I read this thread.

Start playing nicely guys. Or you know, if you don't like something someone says, use the "Report this Post" button and you'll attract a Mod who won't be cranky with a headache.