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Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby Bleak5170 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:27 am

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That's a direct quote from the Transformers Movie Guide. And yet he gets annihilated by a bunch of fleshbags.

No respect man. :(
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:40 am

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I'm not sure what the person who put that in there was smoking, but there's no way Ratchet could have stood up to Megatron in Bayverse. He may have had the opportunity to outsmart him somehow, as he had in the G1 comics, but in Bayverse, Megatron was just too powerful, even in DoTM. Though now that we have Dinobots, it would have been neat to see how Grimlock and the others would have fared against Megatron.
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby Bleak5170 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:07 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not sure what the person who put that in there was smoking, but there's no way Ratchet could have stood up to Megatron in Bayverse.


Simon Furman wrote it actually. I agree it's a little ridiculous - I'm just really ticked off that they're killing Ratchet, (even though I saw this coming a mile away).
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby TurboMMaster » Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:36 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Megatron was just too powerful, even in DoTM
Dude, while Optimus was few steps ahead, he started reloding his gun! I can't understand why he can't just reload his gun during "We need a truce" speech. Or defend himself with fists, that was one of few reasons why I consider DOTM ending terrible.

Actually, I belive that power level is meaningless in Bayformers. Only Jazz, Bonecrusher, Devastator, Optimus Prime and arguably Sentinel (he loose only because of Megatron's sneak attack) were only Transformers that were killed without beign pathetic at the same time. All other deaths in this universe were also humiliation. And since even humans with ordinary guns are able to beat Transformers, including good guys. I don't see why Ratchet should't beign able to defeat Megatron. Heck, I can imagine Optimus Prime beign beaten to death by Barricade.
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:13 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Megatron was just too powerful, even in DoTM
Dude, while Optimus was few steps ahead, he started reloding his gun! I can't understand why he can't just reload his gun during "We need a truce" speech. Or defend himself with fists, that was one of few reasons why I consider DOTM ending terrible.


You're taking that quote out of context. Any Bayverse version of Megatron was too powerful for Ratchet to fight. We're not talking about Optimus beating him, the OP was about how Ratchet would do against him. I wouldn't say the ending to the movie itself was terrible, but the way Megatron and Shockwave were mistreated definitely was.
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby Bleak5170 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:03 am

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I should add that the same book also said Ratchet would eventually be destroyed by Megatron. It's just that he would give him a better fight than most.
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:22 pm

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Bleak5170 wrote:I should add that the same book also said Ratchet would eventually be destroyed by Megatron. It's just that he would give him a better fight than most.


Yeah, Furman was definitely smoking something. (Which also might explain the TP that ReGeneration turned out to be) Other than Optimus and Sentinel, I doubt any Autobot or Decepticon could have taken Megatron from any of the films. Ironhide might have caused him some damage in DoTM, but in the 1st 2 films, Megatron was just too strong. So I disagree, Ratchet wouldn't have given him a better fight. I like Ratchet, but in Bayverse he wasn't really useful, other than dressing up Prime in his Jetfire duds.
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby TurboMMaster » Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:41 pm

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Remember that Sentinel, witch was more powerfull than either Optimus Prime and Megatron, was knocked down by a granade. Arguably, be could beign killed by human soldiers, if we would fight on their therms.

My point is: Just because you are stronger dosen't mean you are better fighter in Bayverse. For example, Brawl was strong enough to fight with Ironhide, Ratchet and Jazz at once, yet he was terrible fighter. He didn't used hes weapons properly and didn't kill Jazz while he had a 100% chance. Ironhide isn't in first two movies tactical genious either. How is it possible that he forgot that he can transform? Why he is running from bombardment on foot?

So my point is, Ratchet had a chance for a good fight, if Megatron would chose pathetic fighting style, like he did in Forest Battle and DotM ending.
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby SlyTF1 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:32 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote:Remember that Sentinel, witch was more powerfull than either Optimus Prime and Megatron, was knocked down by a granade. Arguably, be could beign killed by human soldiers, if we would fight on their therms.

My point is: Just because you are stronger dosen't mean you are better fighter in Bayverse. For example, Brawl was strong enough to fight with Ironhide, Ratchet and Jazz at once, yet he was terrible fighter. He didn't used hes weapons properly and didn't kill Jazz while he had a 100% chance. Ironhide isn't in first two movies tactical genious either. How is it possible that he forgot that he can transform? Why he is running from bombardment on foot?

So my point is, Ratchet had a chance for a good fight, if Megatron would chose pathetic fighting style, like he did in Forest Battle and DotM ending.


Because transforming would take too long, and he'd be there even longer, trying to get traction on the sand.
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:26 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:So my point is, Ratchet had a chance for a good fight, if Megatron would chose pathetic fighting style, like he did in Forest Battle and DotM ending.



And again I disagree. Megatron didn't have a pathetic fighting style in the forest fight. he did exactly as 1 would expect Megatron to do. He had his flunkies go in first and take some punishment, then he planned on picking his spots to take out Optimus. I know, he chased Prime and attacked him 1st with the cannon blast (and his tank mode was f**king fast) then a spear tackle after taking a direct punch to the face from Prime. His damage in the fight came from him not expecting Optimus to be such a fierce fighter in the face of 3 Decepticons. In the end, he achieved what he wanted, which was Prime being neutralized.

The ending to DoTM was a bit different. I wouldn't say his fighting "style" was pathetic, as he never even got a chance to "fight." Optimus once again surprised him with his fierceness, especially one-armed, and that combined with Megatron's overconfidence due to his disabling Sentinel and diminished mental and physical well-being, was enough to defeat him. Even in that state Ratchet wouldn't stand a chance against him.

There is no way Ratchet could take Megatron on even ground in any of the Bayverse films. Megatron would have to be seriously incapacitated for Ratchet to be able to win. The only slight remote chance he might have is if he manages a surprise attack on Megatron when he's all alone and it results in Ratchet completely blinding him. Otherwise, whether by shotgun blast or brute strength of bare hands, Ratchet is scrap.
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby TurboMMaster » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:56 am

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SlyTF1 wrote:Because transforming would take too long, and he'd be there even longer, trying to get traction on the sand.
Arcee didn't had any probloem with that. And in this universe, transforming while running never really was a problem. I belive that if Ironhide did this on purpose, then he propably was covering his human companions, witch after all are more fragile. But still the real reason propably didn't: Bay didn't think about it.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And again I disagree. Megatron didn't have a pathetic fighting style in the forest fight. he did exactly as 1 would expect Megatron to do. He had his flunkies go in first and take some punishment, then he planned on picking his spots to take out Optimus.
The main problem is: In First Movie, Optimus for Megatron was kinda underdog. During fight in Mission City, you could see that Decepticon leader was what TVtropes described as a Always Someone Better. Yet in RotF, Optimus is the chosen one, and Megatron is fully aware that Prime is a major threat. Why things could changed so much in only 2 years? Isn't the way how Optimus is turned from who he was in first movie and who he became in 2 & 3 worth a separate movie, telling this story?
[quuote="Rodimus Prime"]Optimus once again surprised him with his fierceness, especially one-armed, and that combined with Megatron's overconfidence due to his disabling Sentinel and diminished mental and physical well-being, was enough to defeat him.[/quote] The Problem is: Why he didn't defend himself? Why he didn't take few steps back? Why he didn't try to dodge that? It's almost like he did this on a purpose! "The trilogy had to end, so let my enemy kill me in awesome way."
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:19 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote:The main problem is: In First Movie, Optimus for Megatron was kinda underdog. During fight in Mission City, you could see that Decepticon leader was what TVtropes described as a Always Someone Better. Yet in RotF, Optimus is the chosen one, and Megatron is fully aware that Prime is a major threat. Why things could changed so much in only 2 years? Isn't the way how Optimus is turned from who he was in first movie and who he became in 2 & 3 worth a separate movie, telling this story?


I don't think so. The difference in Optimus getting his ass kicked in the 1st film and beating Megatron in the 2nd film wasn't due to Optimus changing, it was due to Megatron changing. In the 1st movie he was unstoppable, ultra-powerful, and determined to get his hands on the Allspark. In RoTF, he was changed. He had parts from a lesser Decepticon and he was doing The Fallen's bidding. Different circumstances were involved.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Optimus once again surprised him with his fierceness, especially one-armed, and that combined with Megatron's overconfidence due to his disabling Sentinel and diminished mental and physical well-being, was enough to defeat him.
The Problem is: Why he didn't defend himself? Why he didn't take few steps back? Why he didn't try to dodge that? It's almost like he did this on a purpose! "The trilogy had to end, so let my enemy kill me in awesome way."


The quote you posted from my post explains it. Prime surprised him, and Megatron was overconfident due to beating Sentinel down, as well as mentally and physically diminished from his previous injuries. He didn't defend himself, because he didn't have time to react. The very 1st shot Prime gave him, the ax to the chest, was enough to stop him from reacting, and the rest was easy for Prime to do, even with 1 arm.
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Re: Ratchet is one of the few Autobots that could conceivably give Megatron a decent fight one-on-one

Postby chivesbot20 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:29 pm

But Megatron was trying to shake hands with optimus,megaton at the moment was probably not thinking that optimus who was one armed and saved by he{megaton} would slice his head in half pull it off than conclude the trilogy with that! Megatron should have been smart enough to react quicker and think ahead a little more knowing optimus could do kill him. Yet again megatons memory chip might have been damaged when shot by optimus in ROTF :BOT: :CON: :BANG_HEAD: :michaelbay:
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