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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue May 13, 2014 3:58 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:That actually raises a question: do stores "exchange stock"? As in, when one store has no TF stock, and another store has nothing but shelfwarmers. Can a store ask another to send some of its stock over?


Walmart doesn't do it. Not where I work, anyway...
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby william-james88 » Tue May 27, 2014 1:06 pm

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A few things to say after a quick trip to my local walmart and toysrus in Montreal, Canada.
Firstly, the seemingly random and puzzling distribution also happens in Canada, as they are the very same chains in a rather similar geographic location.

Here is how random it can be up here, both Walmart and Toysrus are super stocked with Waspinator and Autobot Skids (as well as the others in the set and Orion Pax for some reason) BUT we have yet to have any toy from the recent wave containing armada Starscream and Minicon Assault team.

Also, I totally agree with the idea that purchase patterns are what strores will base themselves on for future orders and it's a bit foreboding to see this Walmart already sold out of the deluxe AOE Toys (all of them, gone!) while they still have a truckload of the generations IDW wave 3 line I described above.

Also, at Toysrus, every figure from AOE deluxe was there but the one they were running out of was.... Bumblebee. Ha, to add insult to injury, they were having all the Beast Hunter toys at less than 5$ canadian and a dad told his young son he could get one. I saw the kid struggle between BH Lockout and Bumblebee to eventually choose the bumblebee.

As long as bumblebee sells they will make more and have more of him per box. But then again, he sells because of how involved he is in a movie franchise which puts the rest of the transformers in the background. I am sure that if the films made Ratchet have the most screentime, he would be the most popular one with the most toys out. I just mean it could be anyone, and I simply picked Ratchet as an example because he's the one bot from AOE I dont think will have much screen time after this film...
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue May 27, 2014 9:24 pm

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By the way, it's still full of BH leftovers and Generations IDW wave 1&2 at Target. Also, full of those BH Target Exclusives no one want. No AoE toys at all in sight.

Speaking of Target, for some reason, they put huge carboard labels over the price tagson some TF pegs saying "Get better, Pay less"... with the REGULAR price on them! These labels are used for sales or clearance. But these sale-labels-lookalike only show the NORMAL price. I asked a clerk what was up with that. Is Target trying to cheat the average idiot, baiting them with some false sale labels? The clerk relucantly agreed that it's indeed a shady tactic but he cant do anything about it. I should have taken some pictures.
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby fenrir72 » Wed May 28, 2014 12:51 am

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Isn't that unfair business practices are reportable to the authorities? Sure it's not for essential goods like food but still unfair is unfair. Is there a consumer advocate government agency in Canada to report it to?
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Wed May 28, 2014 3:16 am

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Mkall wrote:The problem, is Hasbro. Can you name a recent TF toyline/scale that wasn't taken up by an Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee (and maybe a Starscream?) Surprise surprise those are the first figures out in a wave, and thus they tend to clog up shelves because most kids (you know - Hasbro's "target market") already have an Optimus, Megatron and Bumblebee and aren't interested in another. IMO this is what caused the whole Generations Legends panic a couple months back.

I think this is it. Look at what happened with the DotM line, they started with inferior versions of characters from the first 2 movies. Then they were stupid enough to make leader class Bumblebee instead of Megatron or Shockwave. You can't blame stores for Hasbro making crap nobody wants.
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed May 28, 2014 3:27 am

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fenrir72 wrote:@ K

Isn't that unfair business practices are reportable to the authorities? Sure it's not for essential goods like food but still unfair is unfair. Is there a consumer advocate government agency in Canada to report it to?


Even if I told them of some days ago, I randomly went there yesterday and it was still the statu-quo. Still the same bull, inventory and bait-signs. I think I will go there today with a camera, take a few pictures, and throw them on the net. :twisted:
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Mykltron » Wed May 28, 2014 5:36 am

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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby gavinfuzzy » Wed May 28, 2014 6:33 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
Why does US distribution suck?


Because no matter the country or region you live in, it's the same bullshit that happen everywere. Just with a different coat of paint.


As a tiny country, the distribution here is amazing. Everywhere gets everything.

Well, except for a few odd times. The ones i can remember include

RTS Wave 2: Never sold at retail, went straight to a few store's clearence section

Generations sky shadow / junkheap: Never sold at retail, released to a few toysrus at $10 (Sold out in a day)

DOTM Wheeljack : Somehow retailers held onto it for months, only to be released way after the end of dotm.

Generations cosmos / swerve : Never came.
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby william-james88 » Wed May 28, 2014 6:51 am

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gavinfuzzy wrote:As a tiny country, the distribution here is amazing. Everywhere gets everything.



I feel Singapore is quite an exception to many things when considering distribution. Them being one of Southeast Asia's main port means distribution is very steady and plentiful even if it is a small country. Plus they get the asia hasbro exclusives.

What is even cooler about Singapore is its abundance in secondary transformers market. There are whole minimalls in their Chinatown dedicated to second hand or new collector's figure that are too old to be found in primary chains. They still had Optimus Primal (beast machines) RID in the box last time I went.

Anyway, just to say that the Singapore situation should be seen more as an exception, which is sad for north america (although we can still buy bubble gum and aren't fined through public lashings) ;)
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Nemesis Destron » Thu May 28, 2015 7:12 pm

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I thought I would rekindle this thread because after going to a local Walmart and seeing only 1 god***n TF it sent me on a mental melt down. :-x How in the hell can this be? I can't even fathom how many others store may have this inexcusable situation.


I don't know or even try to guess the in's and out's of distribution in retail but there is something incredibly wrong going on. Especially with current events regarding CW and sightings of wave 3 when wave 2 has had such a low distribution it seems. Of course one can't ignore the role of our friend the scalper and the ball breaking they bring.

In the end (IMO) the toy section is probably at the bottom of the department list when it comes to keeping shelves full. They probably feel that the average customer will most likely shop in any other department other than the toy section thus allowing stores like the one I just visited have a pathetic selection of TFs regardless of other toys (Avengers, Jurassic Park). :VEHI:
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Nemesis Destron » Thu May 28, 2015 7:17 pm

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Seibertron wrote:I'd love to see toys handled just like multimedia products such as Video Games, Magazines, Books, Blu-Rays, etc. Set dates. All stores get certain quantities. Problem solved!


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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby MemphisR56 » Fri May 29, 2015 5:50 am

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I'd like to point out as a UK patron.

After the thrilling 30 Line,
Generations AOE,
First 3 waves of combiner wars

Have come and mostly gone, we're only just NOW seeing Blitzwing, Springer, Sandstorm, Skybyte and Roadbuster appearing at mass retail.

Months/Years after most UK fans have bought them online or in import stores for inflated prices, they now show up *at discount prices*.

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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Bradimus » Fri May 29, 2015 9:37 am

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I'd like to stress five points:

1) Generations Combiner Wars is not accompanied by a mass released multimedia. It has comics, but at least in America Comics are not "cool" or "proper" reading material, and good luck finding parents who support their children reading comic books. If Generations had a mass market video game for all ages or an animated series it would see better distribution in theory, but not guaranteed because of all the other points.

2) Stores get burned on shelf warmers, and Hasbro is entirely responsible for creating this problem with the way it distributes product. Going back to RotF, Skids and Mudflap were sitting on shelves for over a year. DotM starts releasing toys and the first two on the market are, wait for it... Skids and Mudflap, the two most controversial characters of the last movie that didn't even appear in the new one and should have received updates. :BANG_HEAD: AoE as previously mentioned began with repaints of DotM toys. WTH? :HEADHURTS:

Fast forward to Combiner Wars. First, there is point one. Then there is the distribution. Somebody didn't want all air vehicles in wave one so Dragstrip was released and misrepresented as part of Superion on the packaging. But that wasn't the worst sin. They released the Optimus Prime version of the truck mold instead of Motormaster first. A far better strategy for what Hasbro wanted to accomplish on the shelves would have been to split the first waive equally between Superion and Menasor AND properly represent the gestalts on the packaging in waive one. Silverbolt and Motormaster as the voyagers come first accompanied by a jet, helicopter, sports car and SUV. Optimus heads wave two as the new voyager, accompanied by two jets, a Formula One race car and another sports car. Of course after that Defensor can be released as wave three and the Autobot combiner as wave four because stores will have variety early and hopefully room on the shelves from successful sales.

It is up to the stores to ensure they don't rush to refill the shelves with the same items they sold in wave one before wave two is released, which means it's up to Hasbro to educate the retailers on what is coming and when it will be there, and suggest how to stock up in a way that does not create shelf warmers.

3) Confusion due to so many options. Legions, Warrior, One-step, Three-step- and that's just RID. I'd argue Legions are no longer necessary as One-Step changers are the tiny figures now, so why not just get a Warrior that comes with a weapon for kids who can transform a figure? RID has too many options, then there is Rescue Bots, and for the collectors and comic readers we have Generations. The latter two lines are simple to understand, but the show line, and the movie lines are stuffed with too many options. Stores don't know what to do and where the toys should be placed. They have Rescue Bots in the tots isle where they belong. That's where the Three-step changers should be too, since that's the target market. One-step changers should either be made larger for the tots or replace legions as the small option. I've just made sense of something retailers should understand but don't. And I'm not in their business. :-B

4) End of year waves are not the time to release new figures. Even wave four has a high chance of not making the shelves for Chrismas because of previous waves still taking up space and an abundance of shelf warmers like too many Bumblebees. Hasbro needs hard release dates for each quarter, and no wave five, period. Wave one in January, wave two in April, wave three in July and wave four in October. But wave four stores will have restocked on previous waves and smart chains will have redistributed items in advance of a new wave release to ensure all stores have the new product instead of old product nobody wants anymore because they already mostly have it.

5) I'm not sure the other points even matter anymore because the price has gone up so high parents aren't going to support Combiner Wars and maybe the stores see that. Back when deluxe class toys were $10 the shelves were stocked with just about every toy Hasbro made. And yes, end of year waves that did not show up before New Years hit shelves to start the year after the clearance sales cleaned out the old stock. And we had beginning of the year price wars to further help clear up the rest of the previous year's stock while wave one of the new year was rolling in. I remember for a few years Target and Walmart had price wars to end the old year and start the new year and that's when I loaded up on Universe 2.0 and later early Generations. Oh how I miss $8 deluxe sale prices. But I was still purchasing during the year because the prices made sense. I just added additional characters because of the sales, and that's supposed to be the point of the sale, right?

This year I got Superion online and on sale through HTS for around $80. That's four deluxes at $15 and one voyager at $20. Yes, that makes no sense when you think about it, and I am approximating, but it comes to about $80 before tax. Maybe Hasbro would have been smarter to sell gift packages of combiners for $80 to go along with individual limb releases at $15 and torsos at $25? Get the gift set at a lesser price, and then pick up individual toys to augment but those will cost more. Good marketing by Hasbro well in advance would allow parents to budget and kids to know what to ask for. And yet, I have a hard time justifying paying more than $15 for a deluxe. Certainly more than $25 for a voyager is too much, that's getting into the currently defunct ultra class price range. $45 for a leader: :shock:

If parents won't pay the current prices, and stores are making things worse by jacking them up, it's no wonder shelves were first filled with unwanted figures, finally emptied during holiday sales, and now bare for fear of not selling again. Stores won't stock what they can't move, even if they are partly to blame for the problem. But it all falls on Hasbro to get everything right to begin with, and clearly Hasbro is not doing that. :michaelbay:
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Nemesis Destron » Sat May 30, 2015 1:27 am

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Bradimus wrote:They have Rescue Bots in the tots isle where they belong. That's where the Three-step changers should be too, since that's the target market. One-step changers should either be made larger for the tots or replace legions as the small option. I've just made sense of something retailers should understand but don't. And I'm not in their business. :-B


Hells Bells...I've been thinking the same on those "One-step" toys since day one dude!! Some awesome points there Bradimus. :APPLAUSE: :VEHI:
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Sat May 30, 2015 2:09 am

Ordering is low, Think retailers confidence is at a all time low for the Transformers toy lines brands. Guessing due to so many failed toy lines. Far too many failed side lines.

Think the other factor is scalpers. Think scalpers are buying out most of the Combiners Wars toys in stores. Then selling it for a profit.
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:32 pm

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I think the biggest problem is all the crappy gimmicky figures they keep making. They've been making 1-step changers, power battlers, and those shampoo bottle looking things for years and nobody buys them. Whenever something good comes along it's gone instantly and is usually never seen again because stores don't want to order more when the shelves are already full.
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Kyleor » Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:59 am

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You'd probly get flagged for 'suspicious returns' eventually for doing this, and you'd probably need a few people to do it more effectively/for a longer time: Buy an bunch of figures in one store's location, then return them to other locations. Then the first store has to get new stock from their warehouse/distribution. Yeah the other locations get stuck with shelf/peg warmers, but the one location will at least have a better chance of getting new stuff in.
In a store I worked in before we did that to bypass a bad district manager who wouldn't approve any changes in stocked products or stocking levels. It seems like the folks at corporate HQ (the ones with the 'degrees') make the decisions on which stores stock what, ignoring any input from the store managers/store emplyees, then are surprised when things don't sell.
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Noideaforaname » Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:22 am

A better option would be to buy the shelfwarmers, donate them to charity and get a tax deduction.
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Re: Real Talk: Why does US distribution suck?

Postby Kyleor » Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:40 am

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Noideaforaname wrote:A better option would be to buy the shelfwarmers, donate them to charity and get a tax deduction.


Even better idea! Lots of kids would probably love them. Can you can claim deductions on the full MSRP/highest retail or just what you paid? (ex. if you found something on sale/clearance)
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