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SlyTF1 wrote:

Master Renegade wrote:Because it wasn't good. It was ****, just like every other movie he's made. Boring, flashy, and lacking in any redeeming qualities: That's Michael Bay.

Boring? What the hell movie where you watching?

Transformers: Dark of the Moon. Bad acting, barely there plot, lots of explosions, buildings faling over, CGI robots fighting. I don't find explosions and action just for the sake of explosions and action entertaining. There has to be something more to the movie than that, and that's not something Michael Bay is capable of.

There was nothing that engaged my brain. Therefore, nothing that entertained me. Therefore, it was boring. I actually dozed off at a couple of points, and when I was shaken awake I didn't see any reason to believe I'd missed anything.

SlyTF1 wrote:

dirk2243 wrote:Now, if someone could explain how the Dreads could run faster (or it appeared to me they were) then the 3 autobot (high performance cars) could drive?

Because they have dreads. That means they're able to run fast.

Would you care to explain why exactly people with dreadlocks are, in your opinion, inherently fast runners?

Master Renegade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Master Renegade wrote:Because it wasn't good. It was ****, just like every other movie he's made. Boring, flashy, and lacking in any redeeming qualities: That's Michael Bay.

Boring? What the hell movie where you watching?

Transformers: Dark of the Moon. Bad acting, barely there plot, lots of explosions, buildings faling over, CGI robots fighting. I don't find explosions and action just for the sake of explosions and action entertaining. There has to be something more to the movie than that, and that's not something Michael Bay is capable of.

There was nothing that engaged my brain. Therefore, nothing that entertained me. Therefore, it was boring. I actually dozed off at a couple of points, and when I was shaken awake I didn't see any reason to believe I'd missed anything.

if you foudn it boring you found it boring, sly has no right to question that. the 20 minutes slipping and sliding in the building got dull quick. the endless comedy scenes got boring quick

anyway i couldnt care less about recycled scenes, i will bash bay when aggrieved but this doesnt really bother me much at all.

I would hate to meet someone whose enjoyment was affected by this

we got recycled scenes and while this doesnt bother me what iritates the hell out of me is how the hell did bb,que and dino get surrounded? i mean one minute bb rescuing sam and lennox from a falling ss and the next hes going to be executed? wtf bay that wouldve been something to see not carly staring into space as a car blows up behind her.

While watching Revenge of the Fallen with the commentary, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci point out they reused footage from Eagle Eye and Mission: Impossible III around the 1 hour & 49 minute mark.

alternator77 wrote:we got recycled scenes and while this doesnt bother me what iritates the hell out of me is how the hell did bb,que and dino get surrounded? i mean one minute bb rescuing sam and lennox from a falling ss and the next hes going to be executed? wtf bay that wouldve been something to see not carly staring into space as a car blows up behind her.

Exactly, WTF IS WITH THAT? So retarded. Such little focus on the bots, which is why I can only name like 3 scenes I actually dug. lets see:

(1) Highway scene with BB transforming to and from bot mode while protecting sam.
(2) Laserbeak and the rest of the Decepticons in the field (mostly coz laserbeak kills an earth bird)
(3) Mexican Standoff with Ironhide and Sideswipe and Decepticon Drones.
+ Megatron trashing the Abraham lincoln statue and then a buncha even shorter scenes like the intro scene on Cybertron, the Decepticon attack crafts shooting down drones, and the bot in the street with 4 legs shooting humans... Yea, that about covers the movies only good parts, haha.

Master Renegade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Master Renegade wrote:Because it wasn't good. It was ****, just like every other movie he's made. Boring, flashy, and lacking in any redeeming qualities: That's Michael Bay.

Boring? What the hell movie where you watching?

Transformers: Dark of the Moon. Bad acting, barely there plot,

It had better acting than the first 2. And there definitely was a plot. If there was no plot, there would be no movie.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Master Renegade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Master Renegade wrote:Because it wasn't good. It was ****, just like every other movie he's made. Boring, flashy, and lacking in any redeeming qualities: That's Michael Bay.

Boring? What the hell movie where you watching?

Transformers: Dark of the Moon. Bad acting, barely there plot,

It had better acting than the first 2. And there definitely was a plot. If there was no plot, there would be no movie.

I never said there was no plot, I said it was barely there. If there was more than that, I must have slept through it, which doesn't say much for the movie,

And, incidentally, it is possible to make a movie without a plot. I've seen a couple of them. They weren't good either.

Master Renegade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Master Renegade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Master Renegade wrote:Because it wasn't good. It was ****, just like every other movie he's made. Boring, flashy, and lacking in any redeeming qualities: That's Michael Bay.

Boring? What the hell movie where you watching?

Transformers: Dark of the Moon. Bad acting, barely there plot,

It had better acting than the first 2. And there definitely was a plot. If there was no plot, there would be no movie.

I never said there was no plot, I said it was barely there. If there was more than that, I must have slept through it, which doesn't say much for the movie,

And, incidentally, it is possible to make a movie without a plot. I've seen a couple of them. They weren't good either.

Agree, there's no plot...unless someone told the vaguely "history" is a plot...

The plot is that Megatron wants to use Sentinel and the space bridge to bring cybertron to earth to use human labour to fix it. Seriously, its the most idiotic punchline to a joke. Human labour to fix cybertron? and then only part of Cybertron shows up being HUGE compared to earth...

Maybe if Megatron said he wanted to transport Decepticons to earth to kill the Autobots/gather energon to aid in rebuilding Cybertron, that'd make more sense.

MINDVVIPE wrote::roll:
The plot is that Megatron wants to use Sentinel and the space bridge to bring cybertron to earth to use human labour to fix it. Seriously, its the most idiotic punchline to a joke. Human labour to fix cybertron? and then only part of Cybertron shows up being HUGE compared to earth...

Maybe if Megatron said he wanted to transport Decepticons to earth to kill the Autobots/gather energon to aid in rebuilding Cybertron, that'd make more sense.

Totally right! the humans may looks like ants on Cybertron...and the finish the job...when? 1000 or 2000 years later?

These movies don't lack plot and that which they have are perfectly serviceable for this type of movie.

The problem arises when you shove a bunch of story lines into a movie at one time without focusing on any.

When a movie needs a character to explain to other characters just what is occurring and why, a basic premise of storytelling has been lost.

No Death for Prowl wrote:These movies don't lack plot and that which they have are perfectly serviceable for this type of movie.

The problem arises when you shove a bunch of story lines into a movie at one time without focusing on any.

When a movie needs a character to explain to other characters just what is occurring and why, a basic premise of storytelling has been lost.

You deserve an energon goodie for stating that.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

No Death for Prowl wrote:These movies don't lack plot and that which they have are perfectly serviceable for this type of movie.

The problem arises when you shove a bunch of story lines into a movie at one time without focusing on any.

When a movie needs a character to explain to other characters just what is occurring and why, a basic premise of storytelling has been lost.

You deserve an energon goodie for stating that.

Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong.

No Death for Prowl wrote:Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong.

Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong
*starts breakdancing*

dark_durahan wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote::roll:
The plot is that Megatron wants to use Sentinel and the space bridge to bring cybertron to earth to use human labour to fix it. Seriously, its the most idiotic punchline to a joke. Human labour to fix cybertron? and then only part of Cybertron shows up being HUGE compared to earth...

Maybe if Megatron said he wanted to transport Decepticons to earth to kill the Autobots/gather energon to aid in rebuilding Cybertron, that'd make more sense.

Totally right! the humans may looks like ants on Cybertron...and the finish the job...when? 1000 or 2000 years later?

and considering cybertron has no atmosphere we know of thatll be a brief time on cybertrons surface if at all.

alternator77 wrote:

dark_durahan wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote::roll:
The plot is that Megatron wants to use Sentinel and the space bridge to bring cybertron to earth to use human labour to fix it. Seriously, its the most idiotic punchline to a joke. Human labour to fix cybertron? and then only part of Cybertron shows up being HUGE compared to earth...

Maybe if Megatron said he wanted to transport Decepticons to earth to kill the Autobots/gather energon to aid in rebuilding Cybertron, that'd make more sense.

Totally right! the humans may looks like ants on Cybertron...and the finish the job...when? 1000 or 2000 years later?

and considering cybertron has no atmosphere we know of thatll be a brief time on cybertrons surface if at all.

How do we know it has no atmosphere? Besides, even if it doesn't I'm pretty sure Cybertronians are smart enough to build machines that provide oxygen.

SlyTF1 wrote:

alternator77 wrote:

dark_durahan wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote::roll:
The plot is that Megatron wants to use Sentinel and the space bridge to bring cybertron to earth to use human labour to fix it. Seriously, its the most idiotic punchline to a joke. Human labour to fix cybertron? and then only part of Cybertron shows up being HUGE compared to earth...

Maybe if Megatron said he wanted to transport Decepticons to earth to kill the Autobots/gather energon to aid in rebuilding Cybertron, that'd make more sense.

Totally right! the humans may looks like ants on Cybertron...and the finish the job...when? 1000 or 2000 years later?

and considering cybertron has no atmosphere we know of thatll be a brief time on cybertrons surface if at all.

How do we know it has no atmosphere? Besides, even if it doesn't I'm pretty sure Cybertronians are smart enough to build machines that provide oxygen.

Technically I believe Cybertron is not supposed to have an atmosphere (but this is the bayverse). Sure, but you get the daftness of it all, right? Its clearly the only way to make the movie appear to have a threat for humans. not to mention there are probably other alien planets with creatures that are more adequately sized and equipped to handle such huge machinery... least in the Transformers universe.
Its like hiring a bunch of pixies to rebuild the twin towers.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

alternator77 wrote:

dark_durahan wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote::roll:
The plot is that Megatron wants to use Sentinel and the space bridge to bring cybertron to earth to use human labour to fix it. Seriously, its the most idiotic punchline to a joke. Human labour to fix cybertron? and then only part of Cybertron shows up being HUGE compared to earth...

Maybe if Megatron said he wanted to transport Decepticons to earth to kill the Autobots/gather energon to aid in rebuilding Cybertron, that'd make more sense.

Totally right! the humans may looks like ants on Cybertron...and the finish the job...when? 1000 or 2000 years later?

and considering cybertron has no atmosphere we know of thatll be a brief time on cybertrons surface if at all.

How do we know it has no atmosphere? Besides, even if it doesn't I'm pretty sure Cybertronians are smart enough to build machines that provide oxygen.

Technically I believe Cybertron is not supposed to have an atmosphere (but this is the bayverse). Sure, but you get the daftness of it all, right? Its clearly the only way to make the movie appear to have a threat for humans. not to mention there are probably other alien planets with creatures that are more adequately sized and equipped to handle such huge machinery... least in the Transformers universe.
Its like hiring a bunch of pixies to rebuild the twin towers.

I think they would have them do the work on Earth then transport everything to Cybertron. Humans handle huge machinery and have built massive structures already, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to build things for Transformers

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think they would have them do the work on Earth then transport everything to Cybertron. Humans handle huge machinery and have built massive structures already, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to build things for Transformers

Really?

well I can't really argue with that kind of logic.
Its pretty clear people can't admit when somthing is stupid since it might scratch their polished vision of the movie. But hey, who am I to deny you your bayverse fantasy.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think they would have them do the work on Earth then transport everything to Cybertron. Humans handle huge machinery and have built massive structures already, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to build things for Transformers

Really?

well I can't really argue with that kind of logic.
Its pretty clear people can't admit when somthing is stupid since it might scratch their polished vision of the movie. But hey, who am I to deny you your bayverse fantasy.

Sorry I use my brain

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Sorry I use my brain

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Sorry I use my brain

So the only argument you have is a childish way to insult me?

MINDVVIPE wrote:Technically I believe Cybertron is not supposed to have an atmosphere (but this is the bayverse). Sure, but you get the daftness of it all, right? Its clearly the only way to make the movie appear to have a threat for humans. not to mention there are probably other alien planets with creatures that are more adequately sized and equipped to handle such huge machinery... least in the Transformers universe.

The movies don't make any mention on whether or not Cybertron has oxygen, however the planet often does in other continuities (G1 and Animated at least).
However, it was implied that humans would never go to Cybertron in the first place, making that point entirely moot.

And clearly the Decepticons have not found more suitable aliens to use as slaves, or they would've used them. Dylan in fact points out humans are the only "usable" species the Cons have encountered.


Honestly, the movieverse's "daftness" is fairly tame amongst the various TF continuities.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think they would have them do the work on Earth then transport everything to Cybertron. Humans handle huge machinery and have built massive structures already, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to build things for Transformers

I find this perfectly logical.


EDIT: On topic, I did not at all notice the recycled footage, it blended in perfectly. Though I'm glad they didn't just straight-up used the same exact footage (that is, they added Hatchet(?)), it's a bit less "cheap" when they add something new.
I must admit, I expected that armored bank truck to be that Decepticon one... which never transformed at all.

Noideaforaname wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think they would have them do the work on Earth then transport everything to Cybertron. Humans handle huge machinery and have built massive structures already, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to build things for Transformers

I find this perfectly logical.

They would do the work on earth... So where are they going to get the raw materials on such a tiny planet that isn't even quarter the size of Cybertron?
How long is it going to take to rebuild using human labour instead of just rebuilding it themselves, and why not just rebuild it themselves? Is tiny little weak fleshy men so critical to building huge machines that are of completely alien software and hardware design, not to mention designed for beings up to 100 times their own size?
What about the energon that powers their machines? where are they going to find that?
While we're going, How come bumblebee still can't talk? Seemed fixed from the end of the first movie.
How come Dylan knew how to turn the spacebridge pillar back on? Is smacking somthing the way to turn on everything in the Bayverse?
Why did they leave 5 pillars behind? they only needed Sentinel to come back online, why leave clues for the Autobots to figure it out?
Where did all the Decepticons go after they came down from Cybertron? You would think when autobots show up, they'd be impossibly outnumbered, but instead we had a handful of drones, and a bunch of High Ranking Decepticons like Starscream and Soundwave taken out by Bumblebee and Humans...?
Where did Topspin, Leadfoot and Roadbuster go?
Why are there Decepticons flying crafts? There are a ton of Decepticons who ARE crafts...
Blitzwing, Astrotrain, Octane... ?

Why did Megatron hold back from killing Rosie?
The movie is full of plot holes, and if you compare it to the story of a lot of the comics, TF: Prime, Animated, and even Beast Wars, it pales. Its a mainstream movie targeted towards the widest possible audience, and therefore it attempted to place a threat of human enslavement to aliens to make it weigh heavy as a lethal force to be feared. Decepticons don't need humans for anything. They just need the energon, it should have always been about the energon.