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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Tigertrack » Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:08 am

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gothsaurus wrote:I actually really enjoyed the first book... with only very minor complaints. :APPLAUSE: (Usually reading this sort of thing, you encounter so many that's-not-cannon! events or traits, you can't enjoy them... especially with so many different timelines... movie, classic, animated, prime, armada....) Anyway, will definitely be picking this up.

The only other TF novel I really got a kick out of was the Legends book of short stories. Very fun stuff... especially the one with the obscure dinobot Paddles. I seriously recommend picking that one up. Paddles rules. :grin:


IT is a fun book to read too.
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby WiEGoP » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:27 pm

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I've been digging my way through this, with mixed results.

I personally thought that the Exodus novel was pretty sloppily executed. The prose was really rough, he kept restating characters thoughts and conclusions, and there was no real sense of place or time, and a really jumpy sense of character.

Exiles so far has a much tighter plot, without the fanfictiony buildup of bromance falling into Alpha Trion talking to himself in emo fashion morphing into a ending that felt like the cutscenes of a video game tied together with string.

So far, it lacks the heart and punch of the first book though. Irvine really doesn't give anything in the realm of a truely felt emotional arc. Characters restate their own conclusions to themselves without much real emotion or feeling. And characters act out of character all the time. Jazz is especially bad about this, he seems to be whatever the plot needs him to be at that given moment. And I seriously think he's trying to drive Bumblebee to suicide with heartless teasing.

Concepts jump up at really weird times though. As if Irvine forgot to put them in earlier, then included them, but couldn't be bothered to go back and edit what he'd already written. It wasn't until way past halfway through that we're told learn that the Velocitronians arrived on Velocitron on the Ogygia. And for a while the ship is mentioned every two paragraphs, and then is seemingly forgotten again. As someone who isn't very familiar with the Unicron trilogy, THAT would be something to mention in the beginning.

And if I have to hear about how the Velocitroinans like to go fast, or how much Optimus admires the Junkions for their industriousness I'm gonna throw the fraggin' book through a fraggin' Space Bridge.

Overall, like Exodus, it reads like a first draft written as quickly as possible that no one bothered to go back and edit for better plotting, characterization, or arcs.

I especially love how after the complete Furmanistic mancentration camp of Exodus, we get Override and Solus Primewith no explanation at all.

That being said, the mythos that it seems to be setting up is interesting. If you're a continuity completist whore like I am it's defs worth a look.
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Stormer » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:11 am

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Started reading Exiles last night, and so far, I'm not dazzled, but not disappointed either. I remember reading Exodus and thinking that it wasn't very well thought out, so I'm hoping this one is an improvement. So, I guess I'd better get back to reading so I can form an actual opinion...
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby CelticDragon » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:33 pm

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I finished Exiles this morning and while I enjoyed it, I admit to being slightly disappointed. There were several times when I thought something epic was going to occur, only for the situation to end rather anticlimactically or veer off in some other direction. I felt like some of the introductions were done just to add those characters' names to the count rather than because they planned a real part in the plot.

I agree with the WiEGoP that some characters seem to be whatever the plot needs them to be at the moment without bothering to stick to personalities.

It's been long enough since I read Exodus that I can't really remember any key points (which might say something right there) so can't really compare the 2. Exiles wasn't a bad read and I'll stick with the series (I assume there's another one coming) but I felt like it could have been taken more seriously.
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby gothsaurus » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:55 am

I think my gripe so far... it seems like a mix of too many universes. War for Cybertron, Movie continuity, and G1. Mixing all of them just feels odd. (Bulkhead on the Ark for example.)
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:03 am

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gothsaurus wrote:I think my gripe so far... it seems like a mix of too many universes. War for Cybertron, Movie continuity, and G1. Mixing all of them just feels odd. (Bulkhead on the Ark for example.)
It's not a mixing of universes. It's a mixing of elements from these universes. ;)
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby gothsaurus » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:12 am

Sabrblade wrote:It's a mixing of elements from these universes. ;)


Ha ha. You got me on semantics. True there...

I can't help thinking of the old Reeses peanut butter cup commercial....

(in Ironhide voice) "Aw, Prime. Ya got movie-verse in my G1-verse!"

And you know that's gonna stain. #-o :sad:
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby WiEGoP » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:45 am

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I don't mind the mixing the verses as long as it's done well. I think it's important to pull elements from as many previous incarnations as possible to make your continuity casserole taste fresh and interesting, even if it is just recycled bits of earlier series. It was nice to see Velocitron and Override, if only Irvine had made them interesting at all. Still I hope some of those concepts find their way into the mainstream G1/BeastWars/Furman pot that aligned seems to be dipping into for all its plot points.

I finished the book a few days ago and the last half is much better than the first, and overall it is much better plotted than Exodus. The Junkion portion is much better, and I found myself kinda liking Irvine's take on the Junkions and Wreck-Gar, when he managed to stick with his speech idioms for them. I liked the Alpha Trion bits in this book okay, despite the the 'vertiginous decent' style of meta-angst that Alpha Trion kept whining about. The Solus Prime stuff is nice, but then again I'm a sucker for them actually EXPLAINING why there are so few fembots. (Can has toy of her naow? With Hammurz?)And it's really funny to have two of the least known fembots get significant parts with nary a sight of Arcee, Elita, or a Blackarachnia.

Nexuspops up to do almost absolutely nothing except give Prime a sword that he uses for two minutes before losing, Prime goes to see Vectorwho tells him absolutely nothing for nearly three pages of dialogue. No less than three super-weapons are found, used, and then junked. And pointless space pirates were pointless!

And what kinda name is AmalgamousPrime? He sounds like something they do to a government issued food product.
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Bleak5170 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:41 am

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Reading it now and all I have to say do far is, "What happened to Ironhide?" He was there on the ship with the rest of the Autobots at the end of Exodus and he's completely gone in Exiles. He was mistakenly mentioned on page 26, (was actually Ratchet, not Ironhide), but that's all I've seen so far.

Did Hasbro tell Alex that since he's dead in the movies now, disregard him in the books, (even though they are different continuities)?
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Tigertrack » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:50 am

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Bleak5170 wrote:Reading it now and all I have to say do far is, "What happened to Ironhide?" He was there on the ship with the rest of the Autobots at the end of Exodus and he's completely gone in Exiles. He was mistakenly mentioned on page 26, (was actually Ratchet, not Ironhide), but that's all I've seen so far.

Did Hasbro tell Alex that since he's dead in the movies now, disregard him in the books, (even though they are different continuities)?


No, he's in there more. It's just kind of odd how the grouping works, and as was said before, some characters are just there to fill a needed role, but not necessarily representative of what we previously thought they were.

I do like that they have written Prowl as more than a logical whiner, his detective personality is a welcome change. I'm about 50 pages from done. It's okay. But I feel like I am watching/reading Armada and Cybertron, not this story that is supposed to be set... wait when is it?

I guess I should just wait for the Sabrblade cliffnotes before trying to actually understand how it all fits with the previous continuities.
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:24 am

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tigertracks 24 wrote:But I feel like I am watching/reading Armada and Cybertron, not this story that is supposed to be set... wait when is it?
Post-Exodus, TF: Prime's ancient past.

tigertracks 24 wrote:I guess I should just wait for the Sabrblade cliffnotes before trying to actually understand how it all fits with the previous continuities.
Oh, oh, man, I dunno if I could do that again with this book. I mean, I just finished reading it a few days ago and...

This book is just so darn confusing! As soon as I finished reading it, I thought, " |:| ...That's it? That's how it ends? ...What did I just read?" :???:

I mean, I could barely make heads or tails of the whole Junkion story. The entire book's second half was barely comprehensible! I got a basic idea of what was going on, but there were too many things crammed in that, together, just made no sense whatsoever! :HEADHURTS:

Like, take the pirates, for example. These "Star Seekers". WHO WERE THEY?!!! WHAT POINT DID THEY HAVE IN THE STORY?!! What did they ADD to it?! WHY were they necessary?! I'm sure the next book will explain their cause... but would it have killed Alex Irvine to tell us about this in THIS book?!

Argh! And the spelling errors! Come on! "Autobtots," "spinnning", these are grade school mistakes! :BANG_HEAD:

The Velocitron part of the story was okay, but... dull. My biggest complaint was the uneven length of each chapter. Chapter 1, six pages. Chapter 2, four pages. Chapter 3, seven pages. Chapter 4, THIRTY-THREE PAGES!!! And it continued throughout the book. A few short chapters with a ginormous chapter popping up out of nowhere! Again and AGAIN! :BOOM:

I'd have to read this book again to get it, but frankly, I really don't want to right now! I could barely stand it! Too much nonsense went into this book coupled with some very tedious exposition and really vapid action. I know this is a premature rating, but I'm calling this book a "C-". [-(
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Tigertrack » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:41 am

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I think your rating may be a bit generous.
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Bleak5170 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:48 pm

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Bleak5170 wrote:Reading it now and all I have to say do far is, "What happened to Ironhide?" He was there on the ship with the rest of the Autobots at the end of Exodus and he's completely gone in Exiles. He was mistakenly mentioned on page 26, (was actually Ratchet, not Ironhide), but that's all I've seen so far.

Did Hasbro tell Alex that since he's dead in the movies now, disregard him in the books, (even though they are different continuities)?


No, he's in there more. It's just kind of odd how the grouping works, and as was said before, some characters are just there to fill a needed role, but not necessarily representative of what we previously thought they were.



Ah gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. It seems to me like these books are kind of along the same lines as the video games, (War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron), and use most of the characters seen in the movies, (O.P., Bumblebee, Jazz, Ironhide, Ratchet), and other recent TF media such as Animated, (Bulkhead, Prowl).
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Tigertrack » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:09 pm

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Bleak5170 wrote:
tigertracks 24 wrote:
Bleak5170 wrote:Reading it now and all I have to say do far is, "What happened to Ironhide?" He was there on the ship with the rest of the Autobots at the end of Exodus and he's completely gone in Exiles. He was mistakenly mentioned on page 26, (was actually Ratchet, not Ironhide), but that's all I've seen so far.

Did Hasbro tell Alex that since he's dead in the movies now, disregard him in the books, (even though they are different continuities)?


No, he's in there more. It's just kind of odd how the grouping works, and as was said before, some characters are just there to fill a needed role, but not necessarily representative of what we previously thought they were.



Ah gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. It seems to me like these books are kind of along the same lines as the video games, (War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron), and use most of the characters seen in the movies, (O.P., Bumblebee, Jazz, Ironhide, Ratchet), and other recent TF media such as Animated, (Bulkhead, Prowl).


It is true they are throwing all different kinds of characters together who were not previously together. Like we have minicons, and minicon weapons, Velocitron, Ransack and Overdrive, Axer, Wreckgar, Slipstream, and others who are now getting smooshed together with G1 characters who are not G1 characters anymore.

It's all very confusing. Even Sabrblade, who knows everything, is confused. As I hear it, all these incarnations together in EXODUS and then EXILES are supposed to be headed towards TF Prime being the future, so Bulkhead, Ratchet, the non-speaking Bbee, and Prime all make sense. We don't yet know how others will gel with them, like Arcee, and why they become such a small group in PRIME (forgive me I have only seen an episode here or there of Prime, and have not seen the beginning yet).
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:21 pm

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tigertracks 24 wrote:It's all very confusing. Even Sabrblade, who knows everything, is confused. As I hear it, all these incarnations together in EXODUS and then EXILES are supposed to be headed towards TF Prime being the future, so Bulkhead, Ratchet, the non-speaking Bbee, and Prime all make sense. We don't yet know how others will gel with them, like Arcee, and why they become such a small group in PRIME (forgive me I have only seen an episode here or there of Prime, and have not seen the beginning yet).
Oh, I get the continuity and character. That I understand.

What I don't understand was the organization and consistency of Exiles's story. Did the planet Junkion get blown up or just get damaged? Was the Nemesis above, below, or in the middle of the pit? Who fought who in the final battle? Why do the Star Seekers want revenge on the Cybertronians? Was the Ark floating out in space, near Junkion, or set on Junkion's surface during the final battle? What happened to Makeshift? Who was part of which team units of the Autobots? Exactly how damaged was the Ark (its frailty varied at different parts of the story, sometimes it was near-destoryed, others it was functional enough fly on its own power). Why were there a bunch of floating wrecks near Solus Prime's forge/tomb?

I'm sure some of these questions will get answered next book, but again, why not answer them in THIS BOOK?!!
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby WiEGoP » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:36 am

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I'd have to read this book again to get it, but frankly, I really don't want to right now! I could barely stand it! Too much nonsense went into this book coupled with some very tedious exposition and really vapid action. I know this is a premature rating, but I'm calling this book a "C-".


And this is the essence of Transfandom. We will read, and even re-read, a book that we HATE simply because it's part of canon and is thus an artifact in need of studying, analyizing and cross referencing.

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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Zequem » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:18 am

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I finished reading Exiles a few days ago (okay, maybe a week, I read it in one day... :P), and I found it confusing too, but at the time I thought it was because English is not my native language. Guess I was wrong, apparently it IS confusing. :lol:

Velocitron-part was decent, and not much confusing, though it's still mystery how and when Decepticons landed. First they were in that hall or something, and few chapters later they landed again on the surface and were treated like no one had seen them before. Did I miss something or what?

Junkion-part, however... What a mess! Characters kept appearing and disappearing out of nowhere, at one point Junkion got destroyed completely, and in the next scene there's still parts of it floating in the space. I had no idea where the Ark or the Nemesis exactly were, and apparently I missed the part where Optimus got to the Requiem Blaster.

And don't get me started on those Star Seekers. :BOOM:

However, I kind of enjoyed Exiles, but it might be just because in its cover reads "Transformers". If not... well... I would have probably stopped reading after reading the first half.
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:38 am

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Zequem wrote:Velocitron-part was decent, and not much confusing, though it's still mystery how and when Decepticons landed. First they were in that hall or something, and few chapters later they landed again on the surface and were treated like no one had seen them before. Did I miss something or what?
I was confused about that too. Until I realized that the first landing wasn't made by the Decepticons, but by the Star Seekers. You can tell it was them later on when they arrive at Junkion and use the Universal Greeting and demand to know if there were Cybertronians there like how they did on Velocitron. The confusion comes from them being mistaken for the Decepticons by the Velocitronians.

The Decepticons show up for real later on, after the Star Seekers had left and the damage from their fight earlier is noticed by the Deceps.

Zequem wrote:Junkion-part, however... What a mess! Characters kept appearing and disappearing out of nowhere, at one point Junkion got destroyed completely, and in the next scene there's still parts of it floating in the space. I had no idea where the Ark or the Nemesis exactly were, and apparently I missed the part where Optimus got to the Requiem Blaster.
Aside from Optimus getting to the Blaster (I recall him jumping towards it or something), TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN!!! :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE:

Zequem wrote:And don't get me started on those Star Seekers. :BOOM:
WHY were these guys necessary?!!! My only guess is that they might be Quintessons who want revenge for their loss of Cybertron to the Cybertronians after the Age of Wrath, but there's nothing cemented to really support this idea of mine.

Zequem wrote:However, I kind of enjoyed Exiles, but it might be just because in its cover reads "Transformers". If not... well... I would have probably stopped reading after reading the first half.
Completely agree!

I mean, especially for the Junkion part, there was a severe lack of sensory details of setting and locations--and when there were, the descriptions made little sense to me--that I could not visualize an adequate mental image of what it was this book was telling me to image looking at. I REALLY hope they made some comic form of the Junkion part, as there's no way I could get a fix on what the environments and event on that planet looked like. :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Zequem » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:17 pm

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Zequem wrote:Velocitron-part was decent, and not much confusing, though it's still mystery how and when Decepticons landed. First they were in that hall or something, and few chapters later they landed again on the surface and were treated like no one had seen them before. Did I miss something or what?
I was confused about that too. Until I realized that the first landing wasn't made by the Decepticons, but by the Star Seekers. You can tell it was them later on when they arrive at Junkion and use the Universal Greeting and demand to know if there were Cybertronians there like how they did on Velocitron. The confusion comes from them being mistaken for the Decepticons by the Velocitronians.

The Decepticons show up for real later on, after the Star Seekers had left and the damage from their fight earlier is noticed by the Deceps.


Ooh, now I get it. 8-} Thanks for clearing that up! I kind of realized there was something fishy about in the "first" landing because Decepticons names weren't used, but never could I have figured it was actually the Star Seekers. ;)
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Re: Reminder: Transformers: Exiles Available Today

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:43 pm

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Zequem wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Zequem wrote:Velocitron-part was decent, and not much confusing, though it's still mystery how and when Decepticons landed. First they were in that hall or something, and few chapters later they landed again on the surface and were treated like no one had seen them before. Did I miss something or what?
I was confused about that too. Until I realized that the first landing wasn't made by the Decepticons, but by the Star Seekers. You can tell it was them later on when they arrive at Junkion and use the Universal Greeting and demand to know if there were Cybertronians there like how they did on Velocitron. The confusion comes from them being mistaken for the Decepticons by the Velocitronians.

The Decepticons show up for real later on, after the Star Seekers had left and the damage from their fight earlier is noticed by the Deceps.


Ooh, now I get it. 8-} Thanks for clearing that up! I kind of realized there was something fishy about in the "first" landing because Decepticons names weren't used, but never could I have figured it was actually the Star Seekers. ;)
Which further supports my baffling as to why Irvine/Hasbro felt it was necessary to introduce these characters if they played little to no role in this story. >:oP
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